What is Civility on ILP

Well, for me since the 1960’s liberal democracy in the west has been hijacked by Marxist communists. I say international because the goal by them is eventually a global socialist state.

It seems everywhere in the west we can see liberal democrats supporting globalist projects like the E.U. in Europe and NAFTA of the United States. (Then there is the TPP of the south pacific.)

Some radical Marxists assert things on identity like there is no such thing as race or the assimilation of all racial and cultural identity under the state’s directive. They’ll also say there is no sexual identity between men and women making it where there is only one unisex identity.

So yes, I believe liberal democracy in the west has been hijacked by radical globalist communists or Marxists. Every time I talk to a liberal democrat more and more they purely sound identical to communists or Marxists.

Sorry, I did not mean to be dismissive,

I was born in 1959 so the 60’s rely on memory. My memory of early childhood is peppered only by vague recollections personally,. Duck and cover. DDT is perfectly safe, and our nuclear testing shouldn’t cause any problems. Cigarettes? Enjoy. no problems there. So I can sort of imagine empathy toward your concern.

I am dumb, remember, I just haven’t been on this planet long enough, uni, it feels like again and again, explain it to me like I were your ten year old nephew, who you always thought was a sort of twit. Slow down, I’ll give you the time. I’d guess it is quite probably more complicated then rocket science.

Anarchist have huge hearts, They are courageous beyond knowing.

I really don’t know of any way I can slow things down even more for you in explaining things but I of course understand you just want to obstruct and obfuscate any attempt at conversation here. DDT?

If I have to slow things down for you even further then perhaps I could just say philosophy isn’t for you.

Now you’re being condescending towards anarchists? Interesting, it’s of course not surprising given how communists and Marxists have treated us in the past. :wink:

See, that is where you misunderstand. Philosophy is not some exulted quest. It is for All.

If I ask you to slow down and explain your reasoning it is not because I don’t understand, It is because you haven’t made a case, and I feel you can use the time productively.

I agree philosophy should be accessible to everybody but there are some out there that can’t understand or grasp it. I don’t think your mind is that slow where comments about me slowing things I figure is just your way of condescension or detracting. I could be incorrect of course and you could change my mind on all that.

I haven’t made a case? Have you not looked at what I’ve said previously? Are you intentionally ignoring what I’ve said? Congratulations, you know of one of my old usernames. Everybody here knows including Carleas about the numerous old usernames I’ve had. No real new revelation there concerning ILP.

Merlin, I am spent. There is no way I can give your query it’s due respect. I will be back.

Even if it is not a capacity, to all, it remains an endeavor for all.

Looking forward to your reply and next encounter.

May I slow down as well. I’m going to read you three times before I respond; 5’ ll" is as short as it is. It is still short.

Whatever works for you.

Thanks Merlin, I have some time, probably not enough.

I may very well just ‘be’ that slow. It is prudent to ask that of myself every once in a while, I did not intend the condescension or distraction. I’ll work on changing your mind on all that.

Sorry you have made “a” case, and I didn’t get it. So let me back up a to what you’ve stated as you request.

Working forward from here. I asked if we are talking about the same thing. The topic is civility and I’m confused my the mention of censorship. I don’t believe I am asking Carleas to censor a subject or topic.

I suppose it is a form of. So if I feel tactics like derogatory and demeaning language and saying people are laughing at you are bullying and intimidation on an intellectual scale, and censorship is a form, I’m still not asking Carleas to act as a censor.

This is where I wanted to slow down. That sounds like name calling and the use of language that is intended as derogatory and demeaning. I guess I am not sure what you mean by Me and a few others are international communists and Marxists under a banner of state democracy as a disguise. I have read what you’ve said but I am not getting your meaning, it is occluded by the name calling, can you phrase the thinking without the string of labels? Can you specifically address how I evidence these characteristics?

Essentially you are calling me a hippy.

With regard to race and my question of it and your criticism; Physical Anthropologists and Archeologists have this theory that we began as a species “human” from a common ancestral pairing. Races developed from differentiation as we moved around the planet and were exposed to different conditions. So yeah, I think it is sort of an odd phenomenon, that today we make our cultural and environment differentiation a distinction. When early man was in struggle for territory and resources, it was a common practice to kill all the males and rape all the females. That process mixed the genetic make up of the resulting survivors into a more homogeneous collection. We have a single origin, have differentiated, remixed, for likely our entire history as mankind on this planet. And it is quite likely the process will naturally result in a single race eventually, if we don’t become extinct before then. (why I lean towards Green, but even that party looses much of its appeal by the time politics gets involved.) I am not clear why you think it is a problem. We go have gone out and explored and come together again to shared what we’ve become in the process. I too would be concerned if I thought it was under a state directive like Arianism.

To your argument of globalism. We have developed technology that allows us to move much more freely about the planet. There is no longer the geological isolation that caused us to develop into different races in the first place. We have begun the natural and historical process of remixing as a result, a sort of home coming, if you will. It is time, I think, that we share what we have become in the process. We have only had this technology for a short time relatively speaking. As a natural cycle it seems inevitable. I am not going to get all intelligent design on you, but it is an awareness that has colored my view of the world at large. I do start to wonder myself. If it happened entirely by accident, It is even more impressive.

So I am liberal, if this sort of thinking is what makes a person liberal. I am not strictly speaking a democrat, while I have leaned in that direction it isn’t a party thing for me. I simply have agreed in the past with some key ideas expressed by democrats in the democratic/republican war in play. This home coming is not an easy thing to do. From a political perspective, I do see the need, in this reintegration, for ideas gleaned from socialism and communism as potentially helpful, but by the time they get turned into a party platform, I find the party practice, so far, a failure. Not so much because of the ideology, but our performance at it.

The corruption of it, democracy, socialism or communism, is not a flavor that I find appealing, but if I were to have to eat one, democracy is my choice.

Will respond back at a later period when I have more free time.

What civility on ILP is?
In the Occidental civilization as the nihilistic form of the Occidental culture?
Well (and unfortunately), to most ILP members, it is the invitation to destroy ILP. :astonished:

I am just going to grab on to the part I think I understand.

Isn’t that a bit melodramatic? This ragtag collection of differently focused thinkers is going to be destroyed by such a “fill in the blank” question? Gee we are fucked. Not.

My wife’s advice…“keep bailing”, but she can say it in such a loving way, and really only sees the picture, looking south. I am facing her looking north and we bicker about which direction is right. Whimsy in play.

What happened to Carleas? The interest in his answers, to a few open questions, hasn’t been distracted from.

From my experience usually when people discuss civility it is because they perceive a lack of civility and then they discuss about needing new rules or laws in enforcing civility which censorship is discussed right around the corner of all that. Interestingly enough I don’t believe in civility in that I believe we live in a very uncivilized world and really the word civility doesn’t mean much of anything at all. No, you haven’t asked for censorship but some individuals here who have a similar philosophy to yours have in the past. People of the so called liberal democratic party of the United States have demanded censorship. This is why I’m a bit suspect initially.

In the 1950’s onward Soviet Communists or Marxists made it no secret that they would in effect work with the bourgeois liberal democrats in the United States which they did. Some have postulated the Soviet plan all along was to take over the liberal democratic party from within (infiltration)and many including myself believe that they had in fact historically succeeded. This isn’t limited to the democratic party within the United States but indeed many democratic political parties all throughout the western sphere of influence.

It’s interesting you should mention the hippie movement of the United States as that was ripe of cultural Marxism. Indeed, if you see old photos of Woodstock you’ll notice Marxist flyer booths in the background.

I believe race is an illustration of subspecies and is evolutionary but also I do believe there are some social constructs attached to it. It is both. Really my beliefs on culture and race are quite moderate.

One thing you’ll notice is that I’m a big critic of technological progressivism, transhumanism, and scientism. So, you’re just going to have to accept my complete rejection of your narrative of global technological salvation. As for intelligent design position I’m an atheist.

As an anarchist I would eventually like to see the abolishment of the national state for more anarchist self rule (although I’m starting to become pessimistic of this ever happening anytime soon or at all) so I’m not entirely behind government nationalists however I view globalism transforming into global government as the greatest threat to humanity where out of this I support nationalism even though I’m not a nationalist myself. I support nationalism as a way against global government despite also being against nationalism. (It’s an awkward complicated position to be in the middle of both movements.)

Finally, I view state controlled democracy as not being a real or genuine form of democracy at all. For me direct democracy is the only genuine kind but even then it has various problems.

For something that doesn’t exist you do a fair job in its practice. I do agree that the world appears very uncivilized at times. A work in progress so to speak. I don’t think civilization is singularly about how we respond to each other in dialog though, that’s is just one aspect. Community is involved and has a sort of place component as well as a cultural aspect. Art as an element of civilization might be a useful example. Caveman painted images on walls and likely there was something ritual or ceremonial taking place, fairly primitive images, they were flat and without perspective, and lacked dimension, and today we have richly symbolic works of art that are exquisite examples of representation… we have learned along the way, developed. I find it difficult to deny just because at times it can appear so uncivilized that there isn’t development and progress exampled along the way. I am married, love my wife, I don’t call her stupid or demean her, I don’t get my friends together to laugh at her behind her back. I certainly don’t make fun of her. Even in a world that sometimes appears uncivilized. I don’t think you would have a relationship with another human being if there were not civility in practice so I am a bit surprised by your argument that you flat out don’t believe in it on the grounds that we live in a very uncivilized world.

Hold my place, I’d like to respond further.

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This is the link reference to the Photo you provided. Did you happen to take a look at the domain it came from?

alphanewsdaily.com

You probably just googled for a picture and didn’t notice its source.

On second thought, we have strayed a bit from the topic at hand. Rather then to continue on the tangent. I’d just like to say thanks, I have learned in the process. We share a critique of many similar issues.

Well, regardless where that image came from it is known to come from Woodstock 1969.

You can find it in Getty images if you like.

If you want to carry the conversation elsewhere I am open to suggestions.