What is Civility on ILP

Well, alright. I didn’t want to have to do this.

Here’s the actual thing that happened: I made a thread about an item of current events. You dropped by the thread and called me an liar, accused me of having a chip on my shoulder, swore at me, and in general acted like exactly the kind of shit head you’re complaining about in this thread and several others. This was completely unprovoked, I might add; the two of us hadn’t spoken for years. Then, after I responded and met your tone, you edited your posts to make them look more polite, so that I appeared to be the one getting all aggressive for no reason.

Then, after the other people in that thread laughed at you, you starting whining across three separate sections of the forums about how awful the tone is here, and how something had to be done about me. That’s what you did. Everybody here can see your edit history, everybody here can see the original content of your posts, because I quoted them in my replies.

Now, it has been two weeks, and you have done absolutely NOTHING on this forum except pursue this vendetta against me that all began with you being a complete fucking cunt for no reason. At any time you could have started a thread, participated in a thread, done any of the things that you claim to wish this website permitted, but instead, you have done this and only this.

Your behavior is precisely the reason I don’t enforce strict tone or civility on my section. Once there’s strict enforcement of a code, some people will decide they’d rather play silly games and try to get folks kicked off the website instead of actually engaging in discussion. In case you haven’t noticed, I’ve been here forever. I was here for the years where a ‘three insults and your gone’ type policy was enforced, and the entire fucking website was people like you starting bitch slap fights over what counts as an insult and what doesn’t, trying to leverage the mods into banning everybody who make you look like a chump in a debate.

Well fuck off, we ain’t going back there. You’re just gonna have to learn to have conversations with people instead of trying to leverage power over them. The irony is, if I was big about enforcing the civility that you say is so important, I would have tossed your ass out of here weeks ago. But no, you are allowed to persist, contributing nothing but bad attitude and petty agendas against people who make you look foolish, and it’s all thanks to the fact that I’m ignoring your advice.

Then don’t. But as you have, I’ll let who ever wants to judge. There are still a few who’s opinion I respect.

The mistake you made is you did not respect my intelligence, as arrogant an accusation as that may be, I simply set a trap guessing you would trip on your own words. And sadly regardless of how I reach out you are falling. I am not proud to have done it but that gun metaphorically speaking is only loaded with blanks when I am considers it appropriate. You my dear friend could learn to be more human, and who among us can’t afford it.? Your perspective is but a drop in a bucket and by no means is accurate.

I forgot that I must argue in good faith. Dammit, I am inclined to forget that the faith is not only directed toward who you argue with but as well as to who is listening.

No, that last line feels odd. Yet there is sentiment there that I did not honor properly. Grouping for the words. >sigh< So yeah sometimes I do talk to myself. Do you want to make that a quality of idiocy? I’m thinking a good long talk with yourself may be in order. In good faith.

Mowk, you are hardly one to be talking about arguing in good faith … to either your perceived opponent or to your perceived audience. It is pretty obvious that you simply don’t care about such things, especially to those who have watched you for years.

Wow, I hadn’t realized you cared enough to watch. I always have suspected as much. All this potential, no fucking clue where it belongs. But I still think you are an idiot for thinking that coil would spin. You for some inexplicable reason I halfway respect. And if I had like a hundred thousand years I may figure it out.

You? Yes it has been a while since I carried that mantle. What of it?

Perhaps you should think a little more carefully after relealizing that I had already mentioned what happens if you lie. My ass was covered. Your ass … you exposed. :laughing:

That’s what happens when bad faith tries to trump good faith. :sunglasses:

You are right I merely recognized the conditions and sought out reason to exploit them. Work in progress. I am still one of those just guessing. But shit; draw me the correlation picture, don’t just stand there on your high and mighty, produce.

??? :-s

Wow … We’ve been blessed by FJ. :astonished:

You can tell family, closest or old friends to F**k off belligerently and most do not stop being in your life, they still care. We can be very rude to those we know and not have Ilwill. People on these sites begin to know each other and relax etiquette. We know the sock puppets. A society is formed. Having proper civility only could be harmful. A balance can be made if all agree.

Sorry James I am just messing with you.

Yeah, it was all part of your ingenious plan to get everybody to laugh at you while I change absolutely nothing. Well played, Moriarity.

Wow, a slightly more civil response, don’t sell yourself short.

For all your posts in this thread you haven’t contributed anything to the topic.

Sorry, I don’t hear laughing. I’m not. And that’s a rather sobering thought.

Given the extremes of censorship by other philosophy and political based forums I would like to thank Carleas for creating a free-thought or free-expression environment here. It’s a message to other philosophy forums that there is at least one place on the internet where censorship doesn’t prevail.

I hope Carleas continues this same policy going forward.

Merlin? Are we talking about the same thing?

Is it your thinking that a request to control bullying is censorship? Like Carleas has said, and I paraphrase. Civility is not so much about what is said but how it is said. Does the mention that people are just laughing at you support an argument in good failth? It may very well be the case but it has nothing to do with the argument If X then not Y. If I am confused a little about what Y is, you’re not making a case for it by claiming people are laughing at your opponent. It also says a lot about the rigor of the argument.

I am interested in that thinking. Draw me a picture with your words.

Censorship is a form of bullying or intimidation on an intellectual scale.

Some irrational people need to be laughed off stage and have their foolishness pointed out.

Merlin, I am not laughing. Can you tell me please specifically why you feel I should be laughed off the stage? What foolishness am being accused of suffering? Make your case without having to laugh at me. If you were being true and earnest, laugh is an inappropriate response. Laugh at a funeral cause you and only you were in on the joke. That is laughing with. You aren’t doing that. You are showing a condescending attitude, that is what I would question as, not in good faith.

You like a few others here are international communists and Marxists under the banner of state democracy as disguise. That for me is enough to warrant a ghastly laugh.

(That disguise by the way no longer works as everybody is starting to figure our your collective aim and endgame for what it is. The jig is up.)

Are you satisfied with my answer? (Probably not)

I don’t really concern myself with propriety. For me nothing is taboo.

Joker; a mystic hermit.

Take this apart for me, Your words haven’t drawn a picture yet, in what ever deconstruction diagram you are comfortable with. Take some time, Carleas wasn’t wrong, it does take some effort to get your ass beyond jargon. However pretty and such it may sound.

“I am and there are a few others that are”; " international communists and Marxists under the banner of state democracy as disguise." Somehow I don’t think even Ucci thinks you are helping him at the moment. But “you” are on your own bandwagon.

That is a serious accusation. In my defense, I have voted in every election since I could. I nether voted for or against Hillary or Trump. Remember I garden and have a sort of relationship with earth, but I digress. It could be a disguise. If there is question, it wasn’t a good one. And you, you crafty dog spotted iI.Makes an American proud. I would be impressed by anyone who could pull that off. And quite possibly more so by the person who could accurately assess it if it were the case.f While I have traveled to three other countries in my lifetime, I would consider me a few short of international, “tourist” need more be said. I realize community is at play sometimes pro and sometimes con but there is still an upward motion to it always in play.

Let’s see Marxism, could you be a little more specific then throwing a rather outdated dogma around. And all this is disguised under a banner of state democracy. While I don’t believe Ucci gives me enough credit I am inclined to believe you give me way too much. It would take a flipping genius to balance all the ills (some of which the milady is of question) you seem to believe I have in play. I really don’t deserve the credit you bestow. I don’t know how smart but not that smart. Get real.

Chew me up, spit me out.