Let's think this through ... God

Ecmandu · January 25, 2017, 4:32pm

Since this is important to me, I don’t want my earlier reply to not get read iambiguous… We posted about the same time.

I want to add for James other examples,

People who are non idolatrists roil in pain when the see crosses, churches, weddings, baptisms…

Most people who think they are good are evil as fuck, not only do people actually do these things … But even those that don’t do not speak out against such evil. That’s called being the asshole through omission … The magnitude of evil in this planet is astonishing…

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phyllo · January 25, 2017, 4:41pm

The “problem”, as you formulated it, is unsolvable so you can freely move on to solving other problems which potentially do have solutions.

phyllo · January 25, 2017, 4:43pm

They can believe that other people are silly or stupid or ignorant and they can just walk away.

You don’t need to save the whole world.

Ecmandu · January 25, 2017, 4:58pm

Why problem in scare quotes…

It’s the biggest problem in existence, and philosophic zombie universes solves it

phyllo · January 25, 2017, 5:01pm

It’s in quotes because it’s not a real problem.

“philosophic zombie universes” are nonsense.

There is one universe, deal with it.

Ecmandu · January 25, 2017, 5:53pm

No, there are an infinite number of universes in a multiverse, and if you’ve learned anything from dreaming, there are many different rule sets in the cosmos

phyllo · January 25, 2017, 6:04pm

It doesn’t matter how many universes there are … there is no communication between universes. If you could see another universe from this universe, then that other universe would just be another part of this universe. That follows simply from the definition of ‘universe’.

Ecmandu · January 25, 2017, 6:09pm

Hence, my point. I’ve seen a lot of different universes with a lot of different rule sets.

I remember what it was like to be a person like you.

phyllo · January 25, 2017, 6:25pm

Thanks for showing me that it’s time.

Ecmandu · January 25, 2017, 6:31pm

Way to be vague. Time to leave the thread??

Have you ever remembered your dreams before phyllo?

Think very deeply about them.

James_S_Saint · January 25, 2017, 7:46pm

Ecmandu:

Oh, you haven’t read my new stuff…

No, what I mean, is say, you become celibate or chaste, you’re hurting good people who want to experience the bond of sexuality with you. If you’re sexual, you’re hurting all the good people who can’t have sex with you because of imposed limitations.

If you become president, you hurt everyone else who wanted to be president, if you don’t become president, you hurt all the people who wanted you to be president.

If you are homeless, you hurt everyone who this makes uncomfortable, if you have a home, you hurt everyone who wants that home.

Basically, the more you see life clearly, with sharp resolution, you become keenly aware, that no matter what you do here, you’re hurting someone …

This doesn’t excuse hurting those people either …

The goal , the real game in life, not the distractions, is to solve this problem once and for all, and not just lolly gag through life, living a meaningless life.

…doesn’t seem to be related to anything that I said.

Ecmandu · January 25, 2017, 7:48pm

You asked me what I meant.

You’re stuck on discipline though…

Try disciplining yourself to not hurt others , if that’s the only thing you got from my posts

James_S_Saint · January 25, 2017, 8:25pm

…nor that.

Ecmandu · January 25, 2017, 8:33pm

I actually spent a lot of time thinking about the posts I replied to you with… This reply is very thoughtless and rude in context of the thread

James_S_Saint · January 25, 2017, 8:36pm

Sorry that you spent so much time studying the wrong posts.

Ecmandu · January 25, 2017, 8:38pm

James, being thoughtful and not rude is at a minimum, sending a hyperlink to the post in question.

I’ve inadvertently missed posts several times on ILP

Uccisore · January 26, 2017, 4:42pm

Ecmandu:

Oh, you haven’t read my new stuff…

No, what I mean, is say, you become celibate or chaste, you’re hurting good people who want to experience the bond of sexuality with you. If you’re sexual, you’re hurting all the good people who can’t have sex with you because of imposed limitations.

If you become president, you hurt everyone else who wanted to be president, if you don’t become president, you hurt all the people who wanted you to be president.

If you are homeless, you hurt everyone who this makes uncomfortable, if you have a home, you hurt everyone who wants that home.

Basically, the more you see life clearly, with sharp resolution, you become keenly aware, that no matter what you do here, you’re hurting someone …

This doesn’t excuse hurting those people either …

The goal , the real game in life, not the distractions, is to solve this problem once and for all, and not just lolly gag through life, living a meaningless life.

The solution to this problem is to realize that the definition of ‘hurt’ has always been flaky, and to ditch utilitarianism forever and move on to something reasonable.

Ecmandu · January 26, 2017, 5:58pm

Uccisore:

Ecmandu:

Oh, you haven’t read my new stuff…

No, what I mean, is say, you become celibate or chaste, you’re hurting good people who want to experience the bond of sexuality with you. If you’re sexual, you’re hurting all the good people who can’t have sex with you because of imposed limitations.

If you become president, you hurt everyone else who wanted to be president, if you don’t become president, you hurt all the people who wanted you to be president.

If you are homeless, you hurt everyone who this makes uncomfortable, if you have a home, you hurt everyone who wants that home.

Basically, the more you see life clearly, with sharp resolution, you become keenly aware, that no matter what you do here, you’re hurting someone …

This doesn’t excuse hurting those people either …

The goal , the real game in life, not the distractions, is to solve this problem once and for all, and not just lolly gag through life, living a meaningless life.

The solution to this problem is to realize that the definition of ‘hurt’ has always been flaky, and to ditch utilitarianism forever and move on to something reasonable.

Self reports of hurt are the ONLY thing that’s not flaky. Axioms from this are also not flaky.

You live in flatland.

Uccisore · January 28, 2017, 4:06am

You demonstrated it yourself: everybody is hurting everybody all the time, regardless of if they mean to, regardless of what they do or don’t do. All that means is that hurt (or your definition of it) is useless in determining the rightness or wrongness of our actions. Ought implies can.

Ecmandu · January 28, 2017, 2:54pm

This goes back to James’ couple posts about discipline… I asked him, “why don’t you discipline yourself to not hurt others or be hurt by them (if you’re so self righteous)?”

He ignored me.

Philosophic zombie universes are our ONLY option, and every second of every day is discipline for me to solve the only thing that makes our lives meaningful.