We’re not slaves…
The people left behind can suicide as well.
If PK’s posts had more bite to them, he’d have been warned!
When I say trump supporters are silly for believing the script that he’s the republican outsider… When it was always a play put on by what is the entire corporate media…
That’s an existential threat.
Everybody knows trump got billions and billions of dollars of free press…
Hillary maybe raised 200 million.
Our entire media is like North Korea
But what really pissed Uccisore off, is when I said that every decision Trump will ever make is illegitimate because of this
How about, “Applying the rules in a way different from the way Phyllo would apply them”?
If you want the lawyerly take, it’s this: Uccisore, as moderator, has discretion to apply the rules in his forum as he understands them. The rules could be applied differently, you and I might have applied them differently. That doesn’t mean Uccisore’s application is impermissible. Your complaint could be phrased as an allegation of an abuse of discretion. But I don’t see anything unreasonable in what happened: it’s pretty straightforward to distinguish between PK’s posts and Ecmandu’s, and Uccisore has given reasons for making the distinction that are a reasonable interpretation of what the rules call for.
I agree this is a problem, but it doesn’t really apply to this case. Or really to ILP. I hope no one is getting their news from ILP.
My post was “why I think trump supporters are silly”
It’s not because of my header that it was deleted, it was the facts.
Trump never was the republican outsider
Trump got billions and billions if dollars of free press from the very unliberal corporate media (we’re talking North Korea standards here)
Trump was never hacked
Trump is illegitimate
These are all facts.
Calling people silly in a title is laughably ad hom
That’s the relativist/subjectivist argument that I’m complaining because “I’m just not getting what I personally want” - that there is no objective reason for such a complaint.
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You have an open door policy which has seen the site flooded with crazies and spammers, who either can’t post anything coherent or who intentionally post rubbish.
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The forum rules for a productive and civilized discussion are not applied consistently. ( PK and others who personally attack those who disagree with them, for example)
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There are bouts and fits of haphazard enforcement of the rules. (This latest incident with Ecmandu, for example)
This has led to a marked deterioration of the site.
We all know the Russians could have hacked trumps tax returns… And then Hillary would be our president.
I don’t like married people, I don’t like people who don’t advocate suicide clinics, and I don’t like people who don’t make transparency or voting with anonymity a national security priority.
I don’t like Hillary …
She won though…
Russia decided the outcome
The only question lingering in my brain is whether Trump knows he was selected.
The bushes saying they wouldn’t vote for trump was hilarious!! Of course they did !! The whole thing was a fucking play!!
I just don’t know if trump knows that
Not to mention that Uccisore is the worst ad hommer in the politics section
Let’s assume this is true (a safe assumption). Given that, should Ecmandu’s posts have been removed?
Ec… your ideas of politics are overly dramatic, Hollywood style production. You’re easily caught up in the theater of it. All that you think you see is designed to keep you distracted. If you think you’re paranoid or good at thinking in certain terms, youre not actually picturing the reality of being in those positions.
You’re arguing like a conspiracy theorist instead of someone who actually knows what they’re talking about.
Given that he is here because of the open door, everybody welcome policy, and given that he has repeatedly posted the same crazy nonsense without any action being taken and given that the removal is not the beginning of any new policy on consistent moderation, I see no reason to remove the posts. He’s just being singled out for a butt kicking.
Hi Phyllo,
I have had to moderate Ec on various occasions, and have had to move his threads and warn him, so Uccisore is not singling him out out of the blue.
Other posters are moderated just as much, but they accept the moderation and know it is a moderated site.
I hope that makes the situation clearer…
This seems a lot like the principle you previously rejected, “allow anything that’s no worse than the worst thing we’ve ever allowed to stand on the forum.” i.e., if what Ec is doing now is no worse that what he’s done in the past (or what PK has done in the past?), we are obligated to let it stand.
You’ve criticized a lack of standards here, but doesn’t this only allow for increasingly permissive standards? Or is it that we have to raise the standards explicitly and all at once, rather than incrementally?
I think that in the course of life, many have tried to do good so much they repressed the urge to abuse power until they literally didn’t care anymore. The mods themselves, as one is aptly named, are only human, whatever that means when humans dont have full license to what they claim makes them ‘human’. I also think that many have had no compunction about abusing power.
Myself, I accept moderation despite appearance. If we lack the freedom to question moderation at all when we believe it to be faulty, then we are made to accept it as is, beyond reproach, which no entity truly is, and that is faulty.
There is a difference between calling out moderation when it’s faulty and this. This is mostly done because it was seen to be effective when done by someone else and was seen to be cool, badass and even though the difference between right and wrong was known then, it was largely pushed out of the way to let corrupt hopes blossom.
Regardless of standards or expectations, this falls into the category of instinctive and emotional responses dictated by psychology, proving those things to be more than imagined and believed and forced into play. The standards rise on their own, fluctuate based on individual and this is proper moderation mixed with therapeutic healing for those that matter. Obviously there are those whose feelings and reactions, while being noted, matter far less and this also falls into variable psychology, prioritization, etc.
It’s complicated, legalistic, bureaucratical morals and ethics hardlined and hardwired into our instincts and reactions, cause and effect. Bolstered by animalistic ferocity, integrity and the strongest wills in existence. It’s simply called justice, or just punishment.
I never said anything about “the worst”. I don’t why you keep repeating it.
You’re not raising any standard. Uccisore has it in for Ecmandu. That’s all. It’s complete pretense to spin it as anything else.
You seem quite satisfies with the way that this has gone down. Fine.
There is an obvious reason why Ecmandu can’t accept it and why he will keep posting the same stuff over and over.
Either ban him or deal with his problem consistently - ignore the posts or shift them to rant.
I was going to say, hire some kids to physically beat him up, but I’m sure ignoring his posts or moving them will work.