This is incontrovertible proof that God is evil. God does no

Do you see that command to leave basically all the knowledge known as a good command?

I say all knowledge because all knowledge is subject to good or evil.

That command basically tells A & E to never go to school or any other place of learning.

Do you see that as good parenting and advise that should be followed?

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DL

I do not see those two rules as the same golden rule.

Unless you like to be hit on your cheek of course.

The golden rule is a reciprocity law.

If you slapped, what is the reciprocal answer to that slap?

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DL

Yes. Attacking the messenger because you cannot touch the message as it shows a truth.

If you do not think that it advances peoples wisdom to know that Yahweh is an immoral prick, then what would you call it?

Or do you like the idea of people adoring a genocidal son murdering God?

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DL

=D>

I have no argument against this.

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DL

Is there not knowledge that you would deny your children until they are mature enough to know it?
Look at the story, God said no, God allowed Satan in to test , they failed. Sound mature enough to handle all knowledge? Do you want to protect your children so much that they do not evolve or mature mentally? Perhaps God too must follow certain rules of science and evolution.

I agree with that too :evilfun:

Sure, but not of the moral kind and certainly not all knowledge. That would be child abuse.

Not to the Jews who wrote Genesis and saw our elevation and not the fall that Christianity called it.

Not to intelligent and moral people who see that keeping all knowledge from children and humans as evil.

Of the moral kind, absolutely, if they are mature enough to grasp it. If not, they eventually will understand it.

I do not and that is why I condemn Yahweh for trying to do it to A & E. To evolve our thinking, we must have knowledge.

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Indeed and the golden rule is a part of natural evolution in mankind as it is what creates empathy and our altruistic natures.

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DL

Why are we sitting here debating a faiery tale.

You are not forced to be here.

Indeed.

A fairy tale whose followers who believe it all to be real, have denigrated and discriminated against gays and women forever.

Let it all ride and do nothing if you like but you might remember that for those evils to grow, all you need do is nothing.

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DL

I think it gets assumed too largely that God has to follow the rules. It also gets assumed too largely that god created the rules he follows. What they all really hate to acknowledge is the existence of a being that doesn’t follow any rule except when convent and breaks every rule and in no way, shape or form ever stops being righteous or in the right. It terrifies and disturbs many the experiments that god actually runs and condones and just what the being actually does. It is inhuman, inhumane and makes monsters of us all, which is entirely the point.

Take another ride along the devils road, along the night road of paths between paths between lives between heaven and hell.

It is assumed that God follows his rules as we are told in scriptures to emulate him.

If he can say, do as I say and not as I do, then so can we if we emulate him.

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DL

It’s more along the lines that he can do what others claim to be able to do. Do as I say, not as I do, stems from that. For example, someone with tolerance to heat built up inside their mouths may dig right into a meal fresh from the oven without burning themselves. Anyone who follows suit without heat tolerance based on observation would likely injure themselves.

If so then God should have qualified his law from the get go.

A poorly written law should be thrown out by any discerning judge. I have seen that done in real life.

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DL

Good luck with that.

DL,

If denying them the fruit prevents wanting to learn, then why are we not in trees? Could have God wanted them curious by denying? Possible. He did allow a bite or two.
If given all knowledge without mental maturity there would be dangerous repercussions. One has to gain moral understanding before delving into sciences. One actually has to control curiosity as well. I can see more then a few reasons to deny all knowledge to adults with infant maturity and curiosity. If that tree exists and we gain the knowledge on how to find it, would you give access to all humans freely? I hope not.

All knowledge good and bad can be twisted. We in general still are not mature enough for that tree.
Being handed something gives little appreciation of it, spoiled rich kids comes to mind quickly.

As religion today is not what it was at the time these stories came about, what god is perceived as has changed.
How stories are interpreted creates views. The Jewish religion has sects just as Christian. This creates interpretations. Even we Atheists view the texts in different ways. You and I are examples of that.

We must all have different views to be individual and a social species. Evolution is not just physical it is mental. Experience must occur over generations. Instinct built, emotions must be used, thought, etc etc.
A god could not give experience, morals and understanding to creatures that were just birthed so to speak. Two infant humans having all knowledge and no mental abilities would have been disastrous.

Hey, I looked at my parents more then once and said “I hate you” and meant it at the time. They did what they had to do to protect and teach , it was not always pleasant. Pretty sure your folks did the same .

You show much common sense.

True that knowledge is age related but the tree of knowledge is analogous to all knowledge and to us that would mean all schooling from pre-kindergarten right up to the highest degree we can earn in universities etc.

A good God would indeed allow and even insist on a bite or two. That is why the Jewish moral to the story is that of the elevation of man and not the fall that Christians put to the story.

In the Christian view, God wanted to deny any bite even though A & E were too ignorant and mentally blind to even know they were naked and could thus not reproduce.

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DL

Bad interpretations of the Bible are a mockery to a pure mind which knows how to interpret it positively. It’s not the Bible’s fault that people use what is in it for their own selfish agenda’s.

The issue seems to turn on what you mean by “God” and “evil” neither of which you have defined.

the golden rule + trying to go to heaven = the tower of babel

“i want to go to heaven” → “how can i make this heaven for the other person”

they did that already

the result was God broke one language into many if I recall correctly (punishment)