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barbarianhorde wrote:math used to be philosophy. it used to be rational. then people started to apply it and it became imperfect. now math must bend to serve the physical universe. But it doesnt so we get a 'relative' universe. Yeah right. Math just proved that science is baloney.
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Arminius wrote:Interestingly, the most exact branch of science is not a branch of natural science but a branch of spiritual science: mathematics. Mathematics is not a branch of natural science but a spiritual science the most exact branch of science.
James S Saint wrote:Arminius wrote:Interestingly, the most exact branch of science is not a branch of natural science but a branch of spiritual science: mathematics. Mathematics is not a branch of natural science but a spiritual science the most exact branch of science.
Yes that is interesting. I had never thought of math as a "spiritual" thing, but technically it is.
James S Saint wrote:The word "spirit" has two distinct concepts. Math fits one of them perfectly. Although I would object to math being referred to as a "science". Science would have been better off to include logic (and thus math), but they chose not to. At one point they even declared (for sociopolitical reasons) that science has proven that logic doesn't work.
James S Saint wrote:Of course if logic doesn't work, neither does math .. nor science. But they skipped over that issue.
Arminius wrote:Interestingly, the most exact branch of science is not a branch of natural science but a branch of spiritual science: mathematics. Mathematics is not a branch of natural science but a spiritual science the most exact branch of science.
Arminius wrote:All mathematics must be logical, but not all logic must be mathematical.
Mathematics is a subset of logic.
Arminius wrote:Mathematics is not a branch of natural science, as we know, but it is a branch of science. So it must be a branch of another kind of science, and I call this another kind of science "spiritual science" (following the German "Geisteswissenschaft" - "Geist" means "Ghost", "spirit", although "Geisteswissenschaft" is often translated by "humanities", but I do not think that that translation is the right one). The translation is a bit difficult, but we know that mathematics as such has nothing to do with physics, with chemistry, with biology, ... and other branches of natural science. Mathematics is a "subset" of the "set" logic.
iambiguous wrote:Arminius wrote:Interestingly, the most exact branch of science is not a branch of natural science but a branch of spiritual science: mathematics. Mathematics is not a branch of natural science but a spiritual science the most exact branch of science.
Merriam -Webster Definition of spiritual
1. of, relating to, consisting of, or affecting the spirit : incorporeal <spiritual needs>
2.a of or relating to sacred matters <spiritual songs>b : ecclesiastical rather than lay or temporal <spiritual authority> <lords spiritual>
3. concerned with religious values
4. related or joined in spirit <our spiritual home> <his spiritual heir>
5.a of or relating to supernatural beings or phenomena b : of, relating to, or involving spiritualism : spiritualistic
So, how is your own understanding of mathematics as a "spiritual science" either relevant or not relevant to the definitions above.
iambiguous wrote:And, while I suspect this is futile, how would you relate this exact science to human interactions that come into conflict over value judgments. That which preoccupies me here.
Of what practical use can we make of this science?
Or is this just me hijacking another thread?
James S. Saint wrote:The word "spirit" has two distinct concepts. Math fits one of them perfectly. Although I would object to math being referred to as a "science". Science would have been better off to include logic (and thus math), but they chose not to. At one point they even declared (for sociopolitical reasons) that science has proven that logic doesn't work.
iambiguous wrote:Arminius wrote:Mathematics is not a branch of natural science, as we know, but it is a branch of science. So it must be a branch of another kind of science, and I call this another kind of science "spiritual science" (following the German "Geisteswissenschaft" - "Geist" means "Ghost", "spirit", although "Geisteswissenschaft" is often translated by "humanities", but I do not think that that translation is the right one). The translation is a bit difficult, but we know that mathematics as such has nothing to do with physics, with chemistry, with biology, ... and other branches of natural science. Mathematics is a "subset" of the "set" logic.
I can only presume that this is not addressed to me.
As it in no way addresses the points that I raised with you.
Or so it seems to me.
Ultimate Philosophy 1001 wrote:Einsteins theory is bullwash.
People debate me by saying "GPS proves me wrong"?
Okay so how bout this. Ned is an astraunout, takes off from florida. His grandma is on the beach watching him leave. Spaceshuttle goes 99.99999 percent the speed of light. Ned looks at his grandma, she is basically not moving.
Spaceship is going almost 186,000 mps, grandma sees it moving around at nearly 186,000 with her supertelescope. It cruises around for 3 months.
By this grandma moved back to kentucky. Spaceship comes back, lands in florida. Ned gets out, According to ned's vision, his grandma is still on the beach at florida, moved only one inch. But according to grandma she is in kentucky.
This is the bullshit and fatal flaw in his theory Einstein didn't see.
James S Saint wrote:Ultimate Philosophy 1001 wrote:Einsteins theory is bullwash.
People debate me by saying "GPS proves me wrong"?
Okay so how bout this. Ned is an astraunout, takes off from florida. His grandma is on the beach watching him leave. Spaceshuttle goes 99.99999 percent the speed of light. Ned looks at his grandma, she is basically not moving.
Spaceship is going almost 186,000 mps, grandma sees it moving around at nearly 186,000 with her supertelescope. It cruises around for 3 months.
By this grandma moved back to kentucky. Spaceship comes back, lands in florida. Ned gets out, According to ned's vision, his grandma is still on the beach at florida, moved only one inch. But according to grandma she is in kentucky.
This is the bullshit and fatal flaw in his theory Einstein didn't see.
You kind of have that story backwards. First, no one would be able to "see" anyone else because of the light speed issue. But even if they could, Ned would not see grandma not-moving, but rather moving extremely fast.
I am not defending SRT. There are other issues with it.
barbarianhorde wrote:math used to be philosophy. it used to be rational. then people started to apply it and it became imperfect. now math must bend to serve the physical universe. But it doesnt so we get a 'relative' universe. Yeah right. Math just proved that science is baloney.
discuss because I am pissed.
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