Which colour?

The_Golden_Turd · November 24, 2016, 9:02pm

Remember, I used to work security in fashion boutiques, I saw a endless parade of you come in and out. Sometimes the fuckheads would say I had to model for them cause I was the same size as their husbands (aghhh) or demand to know what I thought, and just exploited my knowledge about them to closely seal the deal so I could walk away. Sold a purse once over $20,000, bitch couldn’t make her damn mind up, sales woman clueless, I finally just told her which one worked best and why when the sales woman went back down to the basement storeroom. It takes me a ticking second to know, INTJs more or less run the larger network that EFSJs operate off of, lickity split, it is this. Sales woman got the $2,000+ commission, not me.

Honestly, that store owes me like a lot of money for all the bullshit they put me through. Got nothing cause I was just security. I know what the fuck a wedge is and what gives me a stiffy. It isn’t hard intellectual work, it is a joke system.

MagsJ · November 24, 2016, 10:16pm

I said you would need to know me in order to type me, and you obviously do not!

The fact that you think I’m an E amuses me the most… because me being an extrovert is news to me.

…and I’m an emotional type too? you just keep getting it more and more wrong don’t you? but the E typing is the biggest giveaway that you cannot type me one bit.

…obvious in how I irrationally persecute people, and are deeply dependent upon emotions and rule based systems? I only exhibit those in your mind man.

After reading up on ESFJs, I am astounded that you think that I am one because I am neither friendly nor caring to any great extent other than possessing just enough to get by.

Turd Ferguson:

You showed yourself a long time ago, your the poster child for the ESFJ. Your confusing your auxillary functions for bring a INTJ, your the least like one on this forum, obvious in how you irrationally persecute people, and are deeply dependent upon emotions and rule based systems.

By the way, your the last person I’m typing on this forum openly, didn’t want to do Arc, but certainly don’t want you walking around claiming absurd bullshit.

Yes, your certainly a ESFJ, no doubt, no your online test doesn’t trump my diagnosis, your a ESFJ, and yes, your fucking that transparent. Yes.

Oh yes.

Still yes.

You network through the Basal Ganglia, he doesn’t outright mention that, but you would see it in his larger theory, I’ve always annoyingly saw that first in you, had mistyped you the first year I knew you here, but started noticing your auxillary function wouldn’t line up (ISTJ) when I laid into you, how you responded to pressure and how Carleas backed you, how you expressed identity through image and self esteem. Your like, the mist transparent person ever in the history if the site, and if you were ever in a situation where a foreign government nabbed you to get information out of you, they wouldn’t even have to torture you, just goad and antagonize you with a good cop, bad cop routine till you turned to emotional putty.

The auxiliary is IS leading to a dominant of EF. Like the ESTJ, the ESFJ starts from an assumed foundation of tradition and culture: this is how things are done; this is we do things; this is how we have always done things. But, this mental assumption is expressed through Feeling and not Thinking.
This means that the ESFJ can be driven by either Mercy feelings or Teacher emotions. First, he can be motivated by Mercy feelings. He will see an emotional need in some person and do something to meet that need. That is an example of practical Contributor thought. But, like the ESTJ, the ESFJ can also be driven to maintain the standards of society. Here the misbehavior of the other person will be seen as an exception to the norms of society: This is how we do things and this is how you should live. That is a concrete expression of intellectual Contributor thought. Thus you have an interesting combination of kindness and control. The ESFJ wants to help your personal needs, but he also wants to control your behavior.
One sees this combination, for instance, in the service industry. On the one hand, ‘the customer is always right’. Thus, the goal is to serve the customer and meet his personal needs. On the other hand, there are steps which must be followed and procedures which must be carried out. The customer might be right, but things must also be done ‘by the book’. Thus, the customer is both helped and controlled.
Let us look first at the Teacher driven controlling side. The ESFJ and ESTJ both assume that there is a proper way of doing things. These may be the procedures of a bureaucracy or the norms of a society. This expectation is expressed in terms of Teacher universality. The ESFJ and ESTJ feel that it is universally understood that people should act in a certain way. But, this universal expectation is actually based upon the way in which a specific group of people are behaving within a limited environment. For instance, when you step into a government office, the feeling is immediately conveyed to you that it should be obvious to everyone that you are supposed to carry out certain bureaucratic steps and that this is the universal, established norm. However, this supposedly ‘universal’ standard of behavior only applies within the confines of that government building. It is not universal. This sort of Teacher expectation occurs within any public context, but it is especially pervasive when backed up by the norms of an official government bureaucracy.
But what if the standard of behavior for the group, society, or bureaucracy is flawed? It still will be applied as a universal Teacher standard. As long as the ESFJ or ESTJ is following the norms of his society, then he will feel that he is acting in a righteous and morally upright manner.
The ESTJ and ESFJ differ in the way that they express this bureaucratic behavior. For the ESTJ what matters is the rule: These are the rules; you must follow the rules; we don’t care about your personal feelings; there are no personal exceptions. This is fair, but it is also cold. The ESFJ is emotionally much warmer in the application of bureaucratic procedure. He goes out of his way to help you emotionally. But, when Mercy emotions determine Perceiver facts, then rules become arbitrary: For the important or needy person, there is one set of rules, for the unimportant or distasteful client, there is another.
Conclusion: With the ESFJ we actually see a combination of intellectual and practical Contributor thought. But, the intellectual Contributor thought is based upon a limited context and lacks Teacher understanding. And, the practical Contributor thought is arbitrary and unpredictable.

Serious, don’t anyone else ask me to type them, I’m not your monkey, I reserve my insights for manipulating and destroying your positions in as unfair a way as possible. I didn’t spend all those years learning this to be Mr. Nice Guy, but a big old forum dick.

And Magsj, stop trying to pretend I don’t know and your a unique snowflake, your a fucking ESFJ, get over it. You advertise that shit like the Bat Signal, such as this stupid shoe thread.

The_Golden_Turd · November 24, 2016, 10:26pm

See, your already acting irrational.

And I’m very, very rarely wrong, and have a proven track record. I’m overloaded on info on you.

Tell me again about your fashion choices, the parties you go to with your conservative friends, your work relations? What is it you do?

Your a stereotypical ESFJ, and your even exhibiting their retarded trait of wanting to seem mysterious and unique despite being the most common. Last person I typed (after being asked) lectured me saying people don’t like being told who they are supposed to be.

You view yourself introverted as that us your secondary function, that’s it. I have a secondary Extroverted function as well.

I’m 100% certain.

Like, your every damn trait comes from it. Your absolutely anthetical to INTJs, you only want to be one here because it is fashionable, then you immediately start talking about shit that has nothing to do with us, get shocked and upset saying that us happiness… No fucking INTJ thinks like this. Doesn’t even occur to you.

Your traits and long term behavior ONLY belongs to a ESFJ. Nobody else can pull this line of reasoning that you embark on when you do something fucked up on this forum than a ESFJ. You never grasp what’s going on, like your brain is powered by a gerbil on a wheel or something, it isn’t relatable. Luckily, it can he diagnosed and predicted.

So I will run through it again, S57 (he shares a lot of traits in the Right SML with you and me) will try to argue how I’m wrong, because he seems so similar to you… and I’m just being me, but neither of you will grasp INTJs pretty much run the entire system both of you are based off of, but neither of you can see that much of it. You really are just a ESFP. If your not socializing, it is because of earlier imposed restrictions, most grow out of it upon hitting adulthood and turn into deeply annoying social butterflies. I’ve seen the transformation too many times, drab girl starts off shopping, becomes a addict in a few months, starts having too many fucking friends.

MagsJ · November 24, 2016, 10:51pm

I am?

…and the indicators for that assumption are?

After reading your added-to post, I can still confirm that you cannot type me… introverts do go out and socialise and dress differently and have cool jobs you know, but we just don’t feel the need to be the centre of attention that extroverts crave.

If you think I am a type that I am not, then that is a very dangerous assumption to make on your or anyone’s part.

One day I made a decision…

Btw, I added one more paragraph to my previous post.

The_Golden_Turd · November 24, 2016, 11:23pm

Your still a ESFJ. Everyone had either a I or E function as a secondary or auxillary, you are never exclusively typed by your introverted or extroverted primary. You do not understand how the typology works, because you lack extensive knowledge of the rule base and lack experience typing people. You are acting fairly typical of a ESFJ actually right now. They don’t take having identities asserted upon them.

And your ruining my Thanksgiving dinner conversation. I’ve been accused of being a bank robber and a KGB agent by a four year old.

The_Golden_Turd · November 24, 2016, 11:31pm

Part of my being a INTJ is identifiable by the circumstances I turn Es or Fi on.

Notice I’m not listed as a ESTJ, or a INFJ? I’m still a INTJ, these are additional functions I’m expected to trigger on a very regular basis. I can identify with my external function more on those circumstances when I took charge. In a job interview, I’m likely to mention those moments. I can come to identify with it completely, but I’m not a extrovert. Mist of my activity is still heavily introverted. Ask anyone on Lord Nelson’s ships, they would write him off as a extrovert, till you present yoursekfvas a officer, then you realize this guy is a introverted intellectual who learned to use a secondary function to navigate the morale scope of social life on a ship. He is that, but not primarily.

MagsJ · November 25, 2016, 12:18am

Do you mean in a sexual manner, or in an intellectual manner, or both?

Obviously one day he made a choice too, no? to exhibit/learn traits that were alien to him in order to get things done.

So… from one INTJ to another happy Thanksgiving and good night.

The_Golden_Turd · November 25, 2016, 12:42am

Not a fucking chance, it’s false advertising- not only are you NOT a INTJ, but your not American, you don’t have Thanksgiving.

I write a big old Fuck No on your assertions, you get a F- for the effort, you’ve been officially typed.

MagsJ · November 25, 2016, 1:06am

Ah come on my fellow INTJ American buddy… gi me a virtual hug… go on

Does being British prohibit me from wishing you a happy Thanksgiving? who knew…

You do operate within strange parameters and on whatever assumptions you choose, don’t you… is this what is meant when they say a small town mentality?

The_Golden_Turd · November 25, 2016, 1:11am

Alright, we’ve reached a compromise. You can carry on in your delusions, and my signature will from now on state the truth about you.

Discussion over as you requested, have a good night.

MagsJ · November 25, 2016, 1:58am

You reached a compromise by yourself? how novel…

The_Golden_Turd · November 25, 2016, 2:32am

Don’t worry, I involved 20 varients of you in the debate, including three who banned me. I think I gave you plenty of time to plead your case.

MagsJ · November 25, 2016, 3:37am

Your intention towards me is always the same… to annoy and try and rile.

The_Golden_Turd · November 25, 2016, 5:50am

No, that’s not my intention, as I’m a simply a rhetorician, and within the dialectic, the preferred subject of man is homo ludens, as it combines all the emotions and critical thinkings of a person. Did you not learn anything for my 10,000 postings of the lovheim cube? If all you ever feel is anger or surprise or fear or disgust when others derive something higher from my statements, it is more a reflection of your own limitations, and a opportunity to grow.

upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/ … umb/6/6e/Lövheim_cube_of_emotion.svg/800px-Lövheim_cube_of_emotion.svg.png

I use basic formulaic humor, look up “INTJ Sense of Humor” if you think it is just me, especially our “twisted sense of humor”. I don’t try to convert people from one type to another, so my goal isn’t to morph you, but rather to expand who we are. I choose my name carefully for this site, I’m not the one started the circus, merely the lion tamer.

m.youtube.com/watch?v=ImaYMoTi2g8

You need to stop being a hard ass on rules and categorizations, where things belong and where they don’t, and just learn to take people as they are. Your not aware of how restictively limiting your approach really is, Trebeck.

surreptitious57 · November 25, 2016, 6:41am

I am not going to argue how you are wrong. I see the alpha male in you very clearly. You are natural leader material. You have a very strong sense of discipline
And people with that quality are the most suited for being in positions of power. But I still think you are just being you because you know of no other way. And
so while you are incredibly focused it still comes quite natural to you

WendyDarling · November 25, 2016, 8:12am

Mags wrote

My feet love Bohemian. Joker saw me wear ‘real’ shoes a couple of days ago ie. not sandals. When the snow falls, I’ll encase my feet.

Slim pickings on-line Mags. Couldn’t even find anything in my favorite color. Love polka dots. Wide leg pants. Fitted jackets. Hats.

MagsJ · November 25, 2016, 12:18pm

You keep insisting on describing the opposite of me… of who I am… of my character, and attempting to assign traits to me that are not mine whilst denying me the vocalisation of my true nature: for example… my worst possible job in the world would be to teach… something that would be an ESFJs ideal job it seems, and I prefer acknowledgement of a job well done and not the constant show of appreciation that the ESFJ thrives on, but I guess you’ll justify those facts to suit your agenda.

My extroverted older sister is constantly horrified that I don’t interact with others for days or even weeks, but I… I am happy with that and do look forward to the days when I can go party and exhibit my underlying extroverted side, but those are days I have to mentally prepare myself for.

One day I made a decision… a decision to get out more and get out of myself more/externalise and see what life had to offer then/was about, and it’s not what or how I thought it would be but it was fun, but even then in those days I chose my circles and surroundings carefully so as to minimise any damage on my psyche and being, but I prefer living life at my naturally-intended pace.

Turd Ferguson:

No, that’s not my intention, as I’m a simply a rhetorician, and within the dialectic, the preferred subject of man is homo ludens, as it combines all the emotions and critical thinkings of a person. Did you not learn anything for my 10,000 postings of the lovheim cube? If all you ever feel is anger or surprise or fear or disgust when others derive something higher from my statements, it is more a reflection of your own limitations, and a opportunity to grow.

upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/ … umb/6/6e/Lövheim_cube_of_emotion.svg/800px-Lövheim_cube_of_emotion.svg.png

I use basic formulaic humor, look up “INTJ Sense of Humor” if you think it is just me, especially our “twisted sense of humor”. I don’t try to convert people from one type to another, so my goal isn’t to morph you, but rather to expand who we are. I choose my name carefully for this site, I’m not the one started the circus, merely the lion tamer.

m.youtube.com/watch?v=ImaYMoTi2g8

You need to stop being a hard ass on rules and categorizations, where things belong and where they don’t, and just learn to take people as they are. Your not aware of how restictively limiting your approach really is, Trebeck.

MagsJ · November 25, 2016, 2:08pm

Il est tres chic MM… trop chic pour mois… I have a need to be slightly disheveled, but I don’t know why… perhaps a rebel from school days of pristine uniforms and correct ‘everything’… perhaps.

Your favourite colour? red? I did notice the distinct lack of colour, but monochrome always looks chic regardless.

MagsJ · November 25, 2016, 5:09pm

I am an Olivia Palermo not a Taylor Swift… do you really think I would go out being seen in that? that would be the most awkward day out for me… ever.

So you like the Taylor Swifts of this world because they give you a stiffy? I hear ya…

The_Golden_Turd · November 25, 2016, 5:36pm

I tried listening to Taylor Swift’s music once, hated it.