The Philosophers

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this day man.

it s not just me running my ass off, theres also an election going on and people are not watching the road but their cells.

But so here I am speedily as only the barbarianhorde can run.

Fixed says to say that Nietzsche wrote very early on on self-valuing. even before his first book.


On Truth and Lie in an Extra-Moral Sense

Frederich Nietzsche

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In some remote corner of the universe, poured out and glittering in innumerable solar systems, there once was a star on which clever animals invented knowledge. That was the highest and most mendacious minute of "world history"—yet only a minute. After nature had drawn a few breaths the star grew cold, and the clever animals had to die.

One might invent such a fable and still not have illustrated sufficiently how wretched, how shadowy and flighty, how aimless and arbitrary, the human intellect appears in nature. There have been eternities when it did not exist; and when it is done for again, nothing will have happened. For this intellect has no further mission that would lead beyond human life. It is human, rather, and only its owner and producer gives it such importance, as if the world pivoted around it. But if we could communicate with the mosquito, then we would learn that he floats through the air with the same self-importance, feeling within itself the flying center of the world. There is nothing in nature so despicable or insignificant that it cannot immediately be blown up like a bag by a slight breath of this power of knowledge; and just as every porter wants an admirer, the proudest human being, the philosopher, thinks that he sees on the eyes of the universe telescopically focused from all sides on his actions and thoughts.

It is strange that this should be the effect of the intellect, for after all it was given only as an aid to the most unfortunate, most delicate, most evanescent beings in order to hold them for a minute in existence, from which otherwise, without this gift, they would have every reason to flee as quickly as Lessing's son.[size=85] [In a famous letter to Johann Joachim Eschenburg (December 31, 1778), Lessing relates the death of his infant son, who "understood the world so well that he left it at the first opportunity."] [/size]That haughtiness which goes with knowledge and feeling, which shrouds the eyes and senses of man in a blinding fog, therefore deceives him about the value of existence by carrying in itself the most flattering evaluation of knowledge itself. Its most universal effect is deception; but even its most particular effects have something of the same character.

The intellect, as a means for the preservation of the individual, unfolds its chief powers in simulation; for this is the means by which the weaker, less robust individuals preserve themselves, since they are denied the chance of waging the struggle for existence with horns or the fangs of beasts of prey. In man this art of simulation reaches its peak: here deception, flattering, lying and cheating, talking behind the back, posing, living in borrowed splendor, being masked, the disguise of convention, acting a role before others and before oneself—in short, the constant fluttering around the single flame of vanity is so much the rule and the law that almost nothing is more incomprehensible than how an honest and pure urge for truth could make its appearance among men. They are deeply immersed in illusions and dream images; their eye glides only over the surface of things and sees "forms"; their feeling nowhere lead into truth, but contents itself with the reception of stimuli, playing, as it were, a game of blindman's buff on the backs of things. Moreover, man permits himself to be lied to at night, his life long, when he dreams, and his moral sense never even tries to prevent this—although men have been said to have overcome snoring by sheer will power.

What, indeed, does man know of himself! Can he even once perceive himself completely, laid out as if in an illuminated glass case? Does not nature keep much the most from him, even about his body, to spellbind and confine him in a proud, deceptive consciousness, far from the coils of the intestines, the quick current of the blood stream, and the involved tremors of the fibers? She threw away the key; and woe to the calamitous curiosity which might peer just once through a crack in the chamber of consciousness and look down, and sense that man rests upon the merciless, the greedy, the insatiable, the murderous, in the indifference of his ignorance—hanging in dreams, as it were, upon the back of a tiger. In view of this, whence in all the world comes the urge for truth?

Insofar as the individual wants to preserve himself against other individuals, in a natural state of affairs he employs the intellect mostly for simulation alone. But because man, out of need and boredom, wants to exist socially, herd-fashion, he requires a peace pact and he endeavors to banish at least the very crudest [b]bellum omni contra omnes[/b] [war of all against all] from his world. This peace pact brings with it something that looks like the first step toward the attainment of this enigmatic urge for truth. For now that is fixed which henceforth shall be "truth"; that is, a regularly valid and obligatory designation of things is invented, and this linguistic legislation also furnishes the first laws of truth: for it is here that the contrast between truth and lie first originates. The liar uses the valid designations, the words, to make the unreal appear as real; he says, for example, "I am rich," when the word "poor" would be the correct designation of his situation. He abuses the fixed conventions by arbitrary changes or even by reversals of the names. When he does this in a self-serving way damaging to others, then society will no longer trust him but exclude him. Thereby men do not flee from being deceived as much as from being damaged by deception: what they hate at this stage is basically not the deception but the bad, hostile consequences of certain kinds of deceptions. In a similarly limited way man wants the truth: he desires the agreeable life-preserving consequences of truth, but he is indifferent to pure knowledge, which has no consequences; he is even hostile to possibly damaging and destructive truths. And, moreover, what about these conventions of language? Are they really the products of knowledge, of the sense of truth? Do the designations and the things coincide? Is language the adequate expression of all realities?

Only through forgetfulness can man ever achieve the illusion of possessing a "truth" in the sense just designated. If he does not wish to be satisfied with truth in the form of a tautology—that is, with empty shells—then he will forever buy illusions for truths. What is a word? The image of a nerve stimulus in sounds. But to infer from the nerve stimulus, a cause outside us, that is already the result of a false and unjustified application of the principle of reason. If truth alone had been the deciding factor in the genesis of language, and if the standpoint of certainty had been decisive for designations, then how could we still dare to say "the stone is hard," as if "hard" were something otherwise familiar to us, and not merely a totally subjective stimulation! We separate things according to gender, designating the tree as masculine and the plant as feminine. What arbitrary assignments! How far this oversteps the canons of certainty! We speak of a "snake": this designation touches only upon its ability to twist itself and could therefore also fit a worm. What arbitrary differentiations! What one-sided preferences, first for this, then for that property of a thing! The different languages, set side by side, show that what matters with words is never the truth, never an adequate expression; else there would not be so many languages. The "thing in itself" (for that is what pure truth, without consequences, would be) is quite incomprehensible to the creators of language and not at all worth aiming for. One designates only the relations of things to man, and to express them one calls on the boldest metaphors. A nerve stimulus, first transposed into an image—first metaphor. The image, in turn, imitated by a sound—second metaphor. And each time there is a complete overleaping of one sphere, right into the middle of an entirely new and different one. One can imagine a man who is totally deaf and has never had a sensation of sound and music. Perhaps such a person will gaze with astonishment at Chladni's sound figures; perhaps he will discover their causes in the vibrations of the string and will now swear that he must know what men mean by "sound." It is this way with all of us concerning language; we believe that we know something about the things themselves when we speak of trees, colors, snow, and flowers; and yet we possess nothing but metaphors for things—metaphors which correspond in no way to the original entities. In the same way that the sound appears as a sand figure, so the mysterious X of the thing in itself first appears as a nerve stimulus, then as an image, and finally as a sound. Thus the genesis of language does not proceed logically in any case, and all the material within and with which the man of truth, the scientist, and the philosopher later work and build, if not derived from never-never land, is a least not derived from the essence of things.

Let us still give special consideration to the formation of concepts. Every word immediately becomes a concept, inasmuch as it is not intended to serve as a reminder of the unique and wholly individualized original experience to which it owes its birth, but must at the same time fit innumerable, more or less similar cases—which means, strictly speaking, never equal—in other words, a lot of unequal cases. Every concept originates through our equating what is unequal. No leaf ever wholly equals another, and the concept "leaf" is formed through an arbitrary abstraction from these individual differences, through forgetting the distinctions; and now it gives rise to the idea that in nature there might be something besides the leaves which would be "leaf"—some kind of original form after which all leaves have been woven, marked, copied, colored, curled, and painted, but by unskilled hands, so that no copy turned out to be a correct, reliable, and faithful image of the original form. We call a person "honest." Why did he act so honestly today? we ask. Our answer usually sounds like this: because of his honesty. Honesty! That is to say again: the leaf is the cause of the leaves. After all, we know nothing of an essence-like quality named "honesty"; we know only numerous individualized, and thus unequal actions, which we equate by omitting the unequal and by then calling them honest actions. In the end, we distill from them a [b]qualitas occulta[/b] [hidden quality] with the name of "honesty." We obtain the concept, as we do the form, by overlooking what is individual and actual; whereas nature is acquainted with no forms and no concepts, and likewise with no species, but only with an X which remains inaccessible and undefinable for us. For even our contrast between individual and species is something anthropomorphic and does not originate in the essence of things; although we should not presume to claim that this contrast does not correspond o the essence of things: that would of course be a dogmatic assertion and, as such, would be just as indemonstrable as its opposite.

What, then, is truth? A mobile army of metaphors, metonyms, and anthropomorphisms—in short, a sum of human relations which have been enhanced, transposed, and embellished poetically and rhetorically, and which after long use seem firm, canonical, and obligatory to a people: truths are illusions about which one has forgotten that this is what they are; metaphors which are worn out and without sensuous power; coins which have lost their pictures and now matter only as metal, no longer as coins.

We still do not know where the urge for truth comes from; for as yet we have heard only of the obligation imposed by society that it should exist: to be truthful means using the customary metaphors—in moral terms: the obligation to lie according to a fixed convention, to lie herd-like in a style obligatory for all. Now man of course forgets that this is the way things stand for him. Thus he lies in the manner indicated, unconsciously and in accordance with habits which are centuries' old; and precisely by means of this unconsciousness and forgetfulness he arrives at his sense of truth. From the sense that one is obliged to designate one thing as red, another as cold, and a third as mute, there arises a moral impulse in regard to truth. The venerability, reliability, and utility of truth is something which a person demonstrates for himself from the contrast with the liar, whom no one trusts and everyone excludes. As a rational being, he now places his behavior under the control of abstractions. He will no longer tolerate being carried away by sudden impressions, by intuitions. First he universalizes all these impressions into less colorful, cooler concepts, so that he can entrust the guidance of his life and conduct to them. Everything which distinguishes man from the animals depends upon this ability to volatilize perceptual metaphors in a schema, and thus to dissolve an image into a concept. For something is possible in the realm of these schemata which could never be achieved with the vivid first impressions: the construction of a pyramidal order according to castes and degrees, the creation of a new world of laws, privileges, subordinations, and clearly marked boundaries—a new world, one which now confronts that other vivid world of first impressions as more solid, more universal, better known, and more human than the immediately perceived world, and thus as the regulative and imperative world. Whereas each perceptual metaphor is individual and without equals and is therefore able to elude all classification, the great edifice of concepts displays the rigid regularity of a Roman columbarium and exhales in logic that strength and coolness which is characteristic of mathematics. Anyone who has felt this cool breath [of logic] will hardly believe that even the concept—which is as bony, foursquare, and transposable as a die—is nevertheless merely the residue of a metaphor, and that the illusion which is involved in the artistic transference of a nerve stimulus into images is, if not the mother, then the grandmother of every single concept. But in this conceptual crap game "truth" means using every die in the designated manner, counting its spots accurately, fashioning the right categories, and never violating the order of caste and class rank. Just as the Romans and Etruscans cut up the heavens with rigid mathematical lines and confined a god within each of the spaces thereby delimited, as within a [b]templum[/b], so every people has a similarly mathematically divided conceptual heaven above themselves and henceforth thinks that truth demands that each conceptual god be sought only within his own sphere. Here one may certainly admire man as a mighty genius of construction, who succeeds in piling an infinitely complicated dome of concepts upon an unstable foundation, and, as it were, on running water. Of course, in order to be supported by such a foundation, his construction must be like one constructed of spiders' webs: delicate enough to be carried along by the waves, strong enough not to be blown apart by every wind. As a genius of construction man raises himself far above the bee in the following way: whereas the bee builds with wax that he gathers from nature, man builds with the far more delicate conceptual material which he first has to manufacture from himself. In this he is greatly to be admired, but not on account of his drive for truth or for pure knowledge of things. When someone hides something behind a bush and looks for it again in the same place and finds it there as well, there is not much to praise in such seeking and finding. Yet this is how matters stand regarding seeking and finding "truth" within the realm of reason. If I make up the definition of a mammal, and then, after inspecting a camel, declare "look, a mammal" I have indeed brought a truth to light in this way, but it is a truth of limited value. That is to say, it is a thoroughly anthropomorphic truth which contains not a single point which would be "true in itself" or really and universally valid apart from man. At bottom, what the investigator of such truths is seeking is only the metamorphosis of the world into man. He strives to understand the world as something analogous to man, and at best he achieves by his struggles the feeling of assimilation. Similar to the way in which astrologers considered the stars to be in man 's service and connected with his happiness and sorrow, such an investigator considers the entire universe in connection with man: the entire universe as the infinitely fractured echo of one original sound-man; the entire universe as the infinitely multiplied copy of one original picture-man. His method is to treat man as the measure of all things, but in doing so he again proceeds from the error of believing that he has these things [which he intends to measure] immediately before him as mere objects. He forgets that the original perceptual metaphors are metaphors and takes them to be the things themselves.

Only by forgetting this primitive world of metaphor can one live with any repose, security, and consistency: only by means of the petrification and coagulation of a mass of images which originally streamed from the primal faculty of human imagination like a fiery liquid, only in the invincible faith that this sun, this window, this table is a truth in itself, in short, only by forgetting that he himself is an artistically creating subject, does man live with any repose, security, and consistency. If but for an instant he could escape from the prison walls of this faith, his "self consciousness" would be immediately destroyed. It is even a difficult thing for him to admit to himself that the insect or the bird perceives an entirely different world from the one that man does, and that the question of which of these perceptions of the world is the more correct one is quite meaningless, for this would have to have been decided previously in accordance with the criterion of the [i]correct perception[/i], which means, in accordance with a criterion which is [i]not available[/i]. But in any case it seems to me that the correct perception—which would mean the adequate expression of an object in the subject—is a contradictory impossibility. For between two absolutely different spheres, as between subject and object, there is no causality, no correctness, and no expression; there is, at most, an [i]aesthetic[/i] relation: I mean, a suggestive transference, a stammering translation into a completely foreign tongue—for which I there is required, in any case, a freely inventive intermediate sphere and mediating force. "Appearance" is a word that contains many temptations, which is why I avoid it as much as possible. For it is not true that the essence of things "appears" in the empirical world. A painter without hands who wished to express in song the picture before his mind would, by means of this substitution of spheres, still reveal more about the essence of things than does the empirical world. Even the relationship of a nerve stimulus to the generated image is not a necessary one. But when the same image has been generated millions of times and has been handed down for many generations and finally appears on the same occasion every time for all mankind, then it acquires at last the same meaning for men it would have if it were the sole necessary image and if the relationship of the original nerve stimulus to the generated image were a strictly causal one. In the same manner, an eternally repeated dream would certainly be felt and judged to be reality. But the hardening and congealing of a metaphor guarantees absolutely nothing concerning its necessity and exclusive justification.

Every person who is familiar with such considerations has no doubt felt a deep mistrust of all idealism of this sort: just as often as he has quite early convinced himself of the eternal consistency, omnipresence, and fallibility of the laws of nature. He has concluded that so far as we can penetrate here—from the telescopic heights to the microscopic depths—everything is secure, complete, infinite, regular, and without any gaps. Science will be able to dig successfully in this shaft forever, and the things that are discovered will harmonize with and not contradict each other. How little does this resemble a product of the imagination, for if it were such, there should be some place where the illusion and reality can be divined. Against this, the following must be said: if each us had a different kind of sense perception—if we could only perceive things now as a bird, now as a worm, now as a plant, or if one of us saw a stimulus as red, another as blue, while a third even heard the same stimulus as a sound—then no one would speak of such a regularity of nature, rather, nature would be grasped only as a creation which is subjective in the highest degree. After all, what is a law of nature as such for us? We are not acquainted with it in itself, but only with its effects, which means in its relation to other laws of nature—which, in turn, are known to us only as sums of relations. Therefore all these relations always refer again to others and are thoroughly incomprehensible to us in their essence. All that we actually know about these laws of nature is what we ourselves bring to them—time and space, and therefore relationships of succession and number. But everything marvelous about the laws of nature, everything that quite astonishes us therein and seems to demand explanation, everything that might lead us to distrust idealism: all this is completely and solely contained within the mathematical strictness and inviolability of our representations of time and space. But we produce these representations in and from ourselves with the same necessity with which the spider spins. If we are forced to comprehend all things only under these forms, then it ceases to be amazing that in all things we actually comprehend nothing but these forms. For they must all bear within themselves the laws of number, and it is precisely number which is most astonishing in things. All that conformity to law, which impresses us so much in the movement of the stars and in chemical processes, coincides at bottom with those properties which we bring to things. Thus it is we who impress ourselves in this way. In conjunction with this, it of course follows that the artistic process of metaphor formation with which every sensation begins in us already presupposes these forms and thus occurs within them. The only way in which the possibility of subsequently constructing a new conceptual edifice from metaphors themselves can be explained is by the firm persistence of these original forms That is to say, this conceptual edifice is an imitation of temporal, spatial, and numerical relationships in the domain of metaphor.

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We have seen how it is originally [i]language [/i]which works on the construction of concepts, a labor taken over in later ages by [i]science[/i]. Just as the bee simultaneously constructs cells and fills them with honey, so science works unceasingly on this great columbarium of concepts, the graveyard of perceptions. It is always building new, higher stories and shoring up, cleaning, and renovating the old cells; above all, it takes pains to fill up this monstrously towering framework and to arrange therein the entire empirical world, which is to say, the anthropomorphic world. Whereas the man of action binds his life to reason and its concepts so that he will not be swept away and lost, the scientific investigator builds his hut right next to the tower of science so that he will be able to work on it and to find shelter for himself beneath those bulwarks which presently exist. And he requires shelter, for there are frightful powers which continuously break in upon him, powers which oppose scientific truth with completely different kinds of "truths" which bear on their shields the most varied sorts of emblems.

The drive toward the formation of metaphors is the fundamental human drive, which one cannot for a single instant dispense with in thought, for one would thereby dispense with man himself. This drive is not truly vanquished and scarcely subdued by the fact that a regular and rigid new world is constructed as its prison from its own ephemeral products, the concepts. It seeks a new realm and another channel for its activity, and it finds this in myth and in art generally. This drive continually confuses the conceptual categories and cells by bringing forward new transferences, metaphors, and metonymies. It continually manifests an ardent desire to refashion the world which presents itself to waking man, so that it will be as colorful, irregular, lacking in results and coherence, charming, and eternally new as the world of dreams. Indeed, it is only by means of the rigid and regular web of concepts that the waking man clearly sees that he is awake; and it is precisely because of this that he sometimes thinks that he must be dreaming when this web of concepts is torn by art. Pascal is right in maintaining that if the same dream came to us every night we would be just as occupied with it as we are with the things that we see every day. "If a workman were sure to dream for twelve straight hours every night that he was king," said Pascal, "I believe that he would be just as happy as a king who dreamt for twelve hours every night that he was a workman." In fact, because of the way that myth takes it for granted that miracles are always happening, the waking life of a mythically inspired people—the ancient Greeks, for instance—more closely resembles a dream than it does the waking world of a scientifically disenchanted thinker. When every tree can suddenly speak as a nymph, when a god in the shape of a bull can drag away maidens, when even the goddess Athena herself is suddenly seen in the company of Peisastratus driving through the market place of Athens with a beautiful team of horses—and this is what the honest Athenian believed—then, as in a dream, anything is possible at each moment, and all of nature swarms around man as if it were nothing but a masquerade of the gods, who were merely amusing themselves by deceiving men in all these shapes.

But man has an invincible inclination to allow himself to be deceived and is, as it were, enchanted with happiness when the rhapsodist tells him epic fables as if they were true, or when the actor in the theater acts more royally than any real king. So long as it is able to deceive without injuring, that master of deception, the intellect, is free; it is released from its former slavery and celebrates its Saturnalia. It is never more luxuriant, richer, prouder, more clever and more daring. With creative pleasure it throws metaphors into confusion and displaces the boundary stones of abstractions, so that, for example, it designates the stream as "the moving path which carries man where he would otherwise walk." The intellect has now thrown the token of bondage from itself. At other times it endeavors, with gloomy officiousness, to show the way and to demonstrate the tools to a poor individual who covets existence; it is like a servant who goes in search of booty and prey for his master. But now it has become the master and it dares to wipe from its face the expression of indigence. In comparison with its previous conduct, everything that it now does bears the mark of dissimulation, just as that previous conduct did of distortion. The free intellect copies human life, but it considers this life to be something good and seems to be quite satisfied with it. That immense framework and planking of concepts to which the needy man clings his whole life long in order to preserve himself is nothing but a scaffolding and toy for the most audacious feats of the liberated intellect. And when it smashes this framework to pieces, throws it into confusion, and puts it back together in an ironic fashion, pairing the most alien things and separating the closest, it is demonstrating that it has no need of these makeshifts of indigence and that it will now be guided by intuitions rather than by concepts. There is no regular path which leads from these intuitions into the land of ghostly schemata, the land of abstractions. There exists no word for these intuitions; when man sees them he grows dumb, or else he speaks only in forbidden metaphors and in unheard-of combinations of concepts. He does this so that by shattering and mocking the old conceptual barriers he may at least correspond creatively to the impression of the powerful present intuition.

There are ages in which the rational man and the intuitive man stand side by side, the one in fear of intuition, the other with scorn for abstraction. The latter is just as irrational as the former is inartistic. They both desire to rule over life: the former, by knowing how to meet his principle needs by means of foresight, prudence, and regularity; the latter, by disregarding these needs and, as an "overjoyed hero," counting as real only that life which has been disguised as illusion and beauty. Whenever, as was perhaps the case in ancient Greece, the intuitive man handles his weapons more authoritatively and victoriously than his opponent, then, under favorable circumstances, a culture can take shape and art's mastery over life can be established. All the manifestations of such a life will be accompanied by this dissimulation, this disavowal of indigence, this glitter of metaphorical intuitions, and, in general, this immediacy of deception: neither the house, nor the gait, nor the clothes, nor the clay jugs give evidence of having been invented because of a pressing need. It seems as if they were all intended to express an exalted happiness, an Olympian cloudlessness, and, as it were, a playing with seriousness. The man who is guided by concepts and abstractions only succeeds by such means in warding off misfortune, without ever gaining any happiness for himself from these abstractions. And while he aims for the greatest possible freedom from pain, the intuitive man, standing in the midst of a culture, already reaps from his intuition a harvest of continually inflowing illumination, cheer, and redemption—in addition to obtaining a defense against misfortune. To be sure, he suffers more intensely, when he suffers; he even suffers more frequently, since he does not understand how to learn from experience and keeps falling over and over again into the same ditch. He is then just as irrational in sorrow as he is in happiness: he cries aloud and will not be consoled. How differently the stoical man who learns from experience and governs himself by concepts is affected by the same misfortunes! This man, who at other times seeks nothing but sincerity, truth, freedom from deception, and protection against ensnaring surprise attacks, now executes a masterpiece of deception: he executes his masterpiece of deception in misfortune, as the other type of man executes his in times of happiness. He wears no quivering and changeable human face, but, as it were, a mask with dignified, symmetrical features. He does not cry; he does not even alter his voice. When a real storm cloud thunders above him, he wraps himself in his cloak, and with slow steps he walks from beneath it.

I was still considering it when you started posting here. In the meantime, I had a thought…

Apart from a couple of exceptions that prove the rule, I didn’t post here after “leaving” until my State of the World Address (a title for which I hereby officially give all credit to the band Biohazard, by the way). And aptly, that OP constitutes my first typical contribution to this thread: for that video on Nietzsche’s Highest Man was kind of sprang on me by FC. My unconventionally capitalized posts are surely comparable to the videos of the others in psychological nakedness.–

As for your question about my video, I already pointed to that issue in my comments to this blog post, where I referred the reader to sections 304, 306, 308, and 980 of The Will to Power:

http://nietzschespirit.blogspot.nl/2008/07/ubermensch-and-last-man.html

Interestingly, I mention the concept of a clan in one of those comments.

I think I currently justify FC’s trust in me, not just by picking up my English translation of my tutorial in Platonic political philosophy, but also by studying Nietzsche’s Dawn with another amateur Nietzsche scholar: that book is especially elaborate on the insight that the “good” are “‘the farmers of the spirit’ who work the old fields in the old ways” (Lampert, Leo Strauss and Nietzsche, page 74).

the Cross says that indeed this movement that haw now gotten Trump elected is of Overmanly quality. It is relatively extremely manly, as it has been able to compensate for the Last Man, the in vertebrate that wishes the hollow voiced woman with the dead eyes as leader because she is a woman and not a man and so also not white.
The Last Man thinks anything that is not white male is good, simply because the white male is the dominant form. The Cross has been attacked for not being ashamed of his skin color by those white males inclined to hate their whiteness and their maleness because of reasons fathomable only to the Last Man.

The Identity of Experience
by Fixed Cross

The science of being as a study in subjectivism, which has taken on fully logical form with value ontology, is approached on a higher level of organization, of more detail, of more possibility for contradiction, in the terms devised by the psychoanalytical schools. I believe all psychoanalysis revolves around the mutual requirement of the terms identity and experience.

As humans, most of our time we spend in avoiding experiences. In our seeking-out of what we aim to experience, we are shifting and sneaking along the invisible walls facing us from every direction but the one we seek to disclose - the walled off area of “the real” is however constantly accessible, these walls can be broken down with the force of intent. The lack of this intent is precisely what makes us effective as prolonged identities, which leads finally in complex beings to what we can begin to call experience.

The identity of experience is experience accepted into the being as its being. The same mechanisms that cause experience, also perform a lot of activity going on that is not ‘owned’ by the organism. Freud goes into this as a repressed - suggesting that the identity of this experience is already ‘the name of the subject’, but actively kept away from its consciousness. I would propose that we address this differently - as ‘untranslated affect’, affect not yet interpreted in terms of the particular self-valuing.

Psychoanalysis is not the art of retrieving experiences to consciousness, but to identify physical affect as experience. This is always done after the fact, also when there is no ‘repression’, or what I would call simply an insufficient power to identify in terms of self - the delicate dove-like beauty of the self to itself facing very dangerous and compromising affect, “raw” affect, which can not be specified, categorized in ‘true terms’ as Spinoza has it - pleasure or joy (laetitia), pain or sorrow (tristitia)and desire (cupiditas) or appetite. *

A manipulation is needed to incorporate the experience, to give it an identity, to add this experience to the identity of the being, to value it on terms of the beings valuing. Psychoanalysis is such a manipulation. Another one, much faster and therefore more dangerous and potentially destructive is Occult “pathworking”. This is the business of setting up the conditions for translating raw affect into imagined sensory experience, by entering a state of lucid dreaming armed with the intention to disclose whatever formlessness is pressing on the walls of the being into apparitions, beings the being itself is able to face as itself - and proceeding to enter the dungeon of the unidentified with the clear aim of translating all that is into experience. And there are other manipulations.

In general, I would categorize all such manipulations as the Dionysian arts, to which possibility a systematic suspension of judgment is required, and the being comes into contact with its own boundaries - its walled-in-ness becomes its walled-ness, in other words, instead of the cells core, its membrane is the identity of experience. Such experience is not merely mortal but mortality itself.

[size=95]* wikipedia: Affect (Latin affectus or adfectus) is a concept used in the philosophy of Baruch Spinoza and elaborated by Gilles Deleuze and Félix Guattari. For Spinoza, as discussed in Parts Two and Three of his Ethics, affects are states of mind and body related to (but not exactly synonymous with) feelings and emotions, of which he says there are three primary kinds: Subsequent philosophical usage by Gilles Deleuze, Félix Guattari and their translator Brian Massumi, while derived explicitly from Spinoza, tends to distinguish more sharply than Spinoza does between affect and what are conventionally called emotions. Affects are difficult to grasp and conceptualize because, as Spinoza says, “an affect or passion of the mind [animi pathema] is a confused idea” which is only perceived by the increase or decrease it causes in the body’s vital force.[/size]

“When an inner process can not be integrated it is often projected outward. The notion of a materialized psychism opens a bottomless void beneath our feet.”

Capable speaks here of unidentified affect, belonging to none of the three Spinozaean categories.
It appears logical that that raw affect, inner force which can not be identified in terms of the self-valuing, is projected (as a projectile) towards the Other - that which is explicitly unidentified – or quasi-identified as the Other - that which has no right to exist.

Rights are an extension of identification.

It is a reality that people(s) are simple not able to bestow rights on those with whom they can not identify. Human rights is an invention of genius, a great artifice, worthy of my respect, although I respect that they can be logically refuted. The principle offers an identification based on a purely aesthetic identification – the form of the human body, not its interior identity, i.e. the language it speaks/thinks, its ethics, its frame of action, its type.

A great assumption is made – that all those organisms which can be identified as of the same “species” - a term, not a reality of experience/identification, communication – are in fact “the same”. In reality however, man A is more alike to dog A than man A to man B, and this expresses itself in identification. What is shared in identity is experience. Such has historically been the foundation of culture - a shared frame of experience equals a shared identity predicates lawmaking, which is consensus and trust.

Back at psychoanalysis - retroactively one learns to trust the affect that is ‘repressed’… - to speak with the trauma in a common tongue, so that one can effectively agree that it exists. Agreement, this is what is created when a true Word appears. And this appearance is a physical act, a speaking.

Here has been a flaw in philosophy hitherto – being must be interpreted as given. But what, in such a case, does “given” mean? Certainly not the predicate of something else, which gives. At best, it gives itself. But to what? To what but to itself?
Does this make sense? Not much - what is more sensible is to say that I give it, as itself, to itself, which is what I amount to.

Arrangement of potentiality –
life is largely strategy, being is observingness, intelligence, rising to the occasion, seizing opportunity - it is not an objective fact - it is the bold activity of which only the very few are capable of embodying entirely. These are the agents of evolution - in every species these arise.

This principle is learned by Shamans. Death-rebirth, the consciousness of flux-depth-power, vortexes of identity around which a society gravitates. Shamans are the “black holes” of the galaxies in which men live - meaning “centers too intense to perceive”*. We circle around what we can not stare in the eye. The terrible in strength is what gives life its structure. (This is why America exists as it does, and why the power of the state must remain a terrifying and disruptive factor until all human life has organized itself around the core of the death-rebirth machinery, the magical power of the invisible center/)

A Heideggerian giving, as opposed to serving a Platonic “given-ness”. Our things flow from us, we are centers of their revolving-existing - existing is revolving, losing meaning is collapsing into the source is disintegrating. A thing becomes junk, attribute to nothingness, when it loses its capacity to revolve by the “gravity” of value to the core.

Interesting, yes I like this - we are given as soon as we are taken - and there is no one to take us but ourself. We can be taken by others but this means disintegration when it is not serving our own taking-our-givenness. Consuming being. This adds a ‘hedonistic’ aspect to the ethics that may follow from value ontology. That would help to make it accessible as therapy. Modern therapy is in part hedonistic, indulging. We consume our psyche.

And so also a being-there-to-take.
This is how “good karma” can be seen - if one has a tendency to give, to ‘create the world’ if one “bestows”, the world attains a nature of being-to-take. That means that one is a master of ones fate. If one takes what happens to be given one steals it, and it transforms. This is why pure political initiatives get corrupted by followers, why politics only work to constructive aims where there are conspiracies, and never when there is dictatorship of the vote.

Can we identify this in corporeal terms? A universe of symbolism mapping given-ness, the world as a web of threats originating in subjects - a fabric of histories, with crossings of perspectives as wars and cultures – this “monster of energy” - yes, the dragon thou shalt is made of a great number of potential “I wills” and at root made possible by “I am”.
The transformation of the spirit of Zarathustrian man is a collapsing inward of the self-valuing. Courage is needed to move beyond the skin of the dragon and to embody its will. To become part of the dragons inner world means to dissolve the dragon in ones own world. To become invisible in ones workings, to become “deep” - to command, to become an enigma.

A not-yet-givenness, a potential, a void even - void as space.
In any form a givenness may arise around a void, like a castle is built around a room.
the “hearth” at the center of this room is that which has been called by the most loving and admiring names, which I will not utter, as they are not my words - - but this hearth is the completion of the given-ness of the room, the crown on the work of which the wall-building was the physical part and the room-conceiving the ‘philosophical’ part, the thinking-building serving ‘dwelling’, the being itself.

Men gather around fires. Words can also be fires, around which walls are built to contain the words in spaces where men dwell. Men will no be guided where no fires are made. Good philosophy is a torch. It creates the will-to-dwell, which is the will to think and build. Religion is a damp torch emitting only smoke, and the will to sleep. Myth has been a healthy torch in many cultures but we have moved beyond the possibility of myth - myth points to the past, (our) philosophy points to the future. For the rest they are in a sense the same; they make of man a given-to-take. They make man possible to himself, as man, as Dasein.

Intention. We can only recognize the ‘eternal parent’ of this givenness as something real, present in us. On this level we have to abandon the abstract and create ‘occult experience’ - knowledge beyond language, ‘it-ness’. We can approach this asymptotically, and become wiser and more powerful along this line and feel more justification, more certainty than one would ever imagine passible when certainty is understood as logical truth, instead of knowing by being.

“God” is the measure in which this certainty is recorded by ‘prophets’. The divinity can always grow, become greater, stand farther from the populace. It is never ‘already there’. It is the measure in which consciousness attains to its root, and this measure depends on the quality of the consciousness aside from its inward attaining as well as on the penetratingness of its inner gaze. So sacredness exists in two axes - worldly quality and the drive pertaining/attaining to what Nietzsche called the ascetic ideal. We can not formulate a definition, we can only point to the means to attain a greater depth of knowing/being. For this is the purpose, the telos - to enable, increase, potentiate -

Whatever we identify as given, is separate from our identifying it. Only when the identifying becomes inseparable from the given-ness do we attain clarity. An overwhelming beauty is the result.

We can use it as a grid. This is the greatest problem here - what we have unearthed so far is still invisible to those who do not think as deeply, and will remain so wherever we do not fill it in with ‘flesh’ - which means, world-implication. The ‘key’ to this task I see now is that there is a great fulfillment in coupling concepts to their value-root, to their primordial emerging. It is not a ‘dry’ subject, but a feast of iconoclasm and archaic mythmaking, and when we see how the archaic myths are populated, by what sort of creatures, we can see the value that philosophizing will have to man when he truly sets to shape his world, when fires are ignited around which new thinking-dwelling emerges. We have built the walls, we need to ignite the fire. In this we do not stand separate, absent, but give ‘acte de présence’ as Lord - this is the only way in which culture grows: by example.

To give act-of-presence means to stand within given-ness as its signifier. It means to give the world to man anew. This can happen on every scale - for the philosopher it is different from a football-player, but the principle is the same. Philosophy is not simply labor, it is also identity. And to make identity felt one requires character, and let this be the very thing that the traditional conception of truth does not allow. All philosophers, in their proclamations about what is universal, have been poseurs, without knowing it they made statues of themselves, testaments to existence. But what type of existence did they testify to? It was, most of the time, rather hollow. No wonder that most of these philosophers were recluses and fools, that no exemplary philosopher has lived since the idea of Truth is Out There came to rule, by hands of Plato, the last thinker who was also a ruler.

*or: realities too significant to be identified.

This is a fitting context for the following excerpt from Nietzsche’s notebooks, or “The Will To Power”.

Brilliant!
Regarding “philosophy as the highest form of suspension of judgment” - we might say that the philosopher is the one who has turned out best.

Indeed, to acquire effectiveness in the natural world from a self-created historical perspective/agency is precisely the task with which our type of philosopher is faced. After Plato, philosophers have accepted that their capacity as historical agents came with the price of being vulnerable natural entities, their influence and very sustenance was dependent on political rulers. But with our type, there has appeared a new scale to climb, something that has not existed since Plato made his stabs at politics. The natural human world has perhaps never been less naturally responsive to philosophy as it is now, politics are entirely separated from philosophy, meaning, teleology - so the philosopher must enforce his historical agency in the natural world. We are still at the very beginning of this undertaking. Thus from a disadvantage an impetus to advance is born: the philosopher must become the philosopher-king.

Regardless of whether or not we are capable of accomplishing/becoming this, that is the point to which the political and technological (natural) world has evolved. This is not to say that all philosophers have to ‘‘get out there’’ and enforce their will on other people, but they do have to organize in groups of which some fulfill this kind of ‘‘military’’ task. In this age of ripe nihilism, where there is no more worldly autority that is not deemed inferior to the mob by the mob, where there is no more ground for teleological reason (such grounds have always been in part superstitious and/or idolatory) this ground must be enforced by the type of human that is aware of the substance of such ground: our type.

It is of the utmost importance that we keep on visibly setting our type of thinking as a standard. Our philosophy must become regal not only in substance but in appearance - it must crown itself.

“Spirit” could, in spite and banishing of the deeply embedded confusion around and by that word, aptly be translated into “self-valuing”. By this I mean that it is breath, the necessity, the pulse of life that makes it ‘a life’ - a continuous self referent and thus radically limited - phenomenon. A spirit - a one who values his breath in reflection of his breath in - and around. And between in and out, there is a reflection, and upon that reflection, a valuing - experience is identified after the breathing in. To breathe out completely is to enable the experience of identity. That choice still must be made there, This choice is probably at the basis of all profound religious airs - *

After the final, exhausted ssssssssh, there is an expanding, a corner of our soul which is then identifiable - and this is where evolution takes place. Only those who find in their breaths limits the limit that is transcendible, grow upon their soil, their blood, to a new ‘word’ - a new moral code, a newly discovered form of courage.

Granted, we are not Gods, we can only reflect this metaphors perfection in a few breaths every month perhaps, some of us might attain it once or twice a week - but we can imagine how this, if we are more aware of those breaths in fellow men, hissing us by in the dark, faint shadows of suspected purpose - allows us to reflect, if ‘fortune Strikes!’, incidentally upon them, and cause - what?

Love is a danger to the soul, why to encounter it deliberately? As with all dangers to encounter it in will of it is to conquer a priori all who do not take this course. Napoleons first breath of Corsican air - his identity superimposed on that experience by time, parents, France - and powerful enemies on the warpath…

[[[[ *the Catholic, fully bathing in the identity, versus the protestant, ‘up to the next cycle, the next harvest, the next profit!’ Capitalism is made out of a lack of Catholicism…]]]]

The value of this observation I draw as follows:
The particular follow-through of the entity after its identification of its world by drawing in experience, determines not the extent to which he will follow through that particular experience. His identity is reflected wholly of his ethics, his working, warring or simply waking - or on the other hand a wanting, worrying, wrecking ‘code’ - continuity of action, value-projection by anticipation. Here is the technical definition of ‘the power of faith’ - the gift of being allowed to project an infinity of value, by the declaring of love for an infinite bestowing virtue.

The problem of religiously inclined people is not that God is dead (he always was ‘unchanging’), but no longer great enough. He’s not greatly dead, his deadness is puny.
We could change that only by creating a new one. And by God I simply mean the absence of self-inflicted restrictions, physiological moral conditioning, in trade for ones “soul” - ones highest and final love.

What a breath of fresh air if we stopped loving ‘humanity’ and selected a nature more lofty and less neurotic. Perhaps what we have called “soul” throughout the ages is in reality the same thing as “music” or “a great aesthetic idea” - The things for which certain humans live, for which these humans form a medium - perhaps what we call identity is merely our temporary and imperfect relation to something less conditioned by decay - the soul as something that has to find its way into the world through the vessel of flesh and blood.

More packages from Fixed Cross hangars in southern Spain where the chimney sweepers work.

Value ontology and the final metamorphosis of the spirit

On ILP, Jakob wrote:

Now in the great scheme of things that Zarathustra teaches, it is clear to me now that Nietzsche himself “falls under” the Lion category. After all, the
Lion says “I Will”, and Nietzsches ultimate reality consisted of his understanding of the world as will to power. As suggested, I think that Nietzsche, as a Lion, fell pray to his own “grausamkeit”, which is implicit in this view of the world as will to power and nothing besides.

How to transcend this cruelty, this ugliness, this denying of the subject in favor of an objective “monster of energy”? Not by denying the reality of the will to power surely. It could only be done by finding something deeper, truer, or at least as deep and true as the will to power, which at the same time supports, proves and affirms the will to power and delivers from the lack it imposes. And I have found this something, this thinking delivering from the limitations that the Lion imposes on himself by holding to his will so religiously, brutally – this thought is the thought that the fundamental fact of reality, by virtue of which one may will to power, is valuing – valuing as happiness, pleasure, lack, pain – recognition – and for this to exist, there must be a standard to which this value is measured. We can however no longer posit “things” at the root of action/affect – so what exists as a reference, the thing that is experienced as a self (a willing to power) must be at root a self-referential activity, which is not yet an affect. In Netwonean terms – the root of existence, as the purest ground of subjectivity, precedes causality. And no, it is not self-caused, nor is it an active prime-mover – it is only the logical condition on which (the logical notions of) motion and causation may exist.

Rather than “I will (to power)”, the Child says “I am”. This “I” is not a however a thing, an object – the Childs utterance “I am” it is not of the same category as “the child exists”. It refers to the activity of being, which the child has recognied in himself, as self-valuing. He has no standards anymore besides what his very being commands, no, what his being is – and so the spirit has arrived at the other end of the road, which began with the Camel, whose motto is “thou shalt”, whose conscious standard was not in himself but a commanding other. The camel could only know his self-valuing by recognizing its ( own ) superior (e.g. “Lord”, but not “the”, but his Lord) thereby having his self-valuing translated to him by an already further evolved spirit of his own type. Then came the Lion, who realized the necessity of breaking with this otherness. But by breaking with it, the Lion is without self, except for the will to break with otherness. This is the will to overcome, the will to power - the will to a self.

How does the Lion become the Child? By recognizing that this willing-to/over is also a willing-from. Not in the sense of away-from, but from-the-ground-of-x. As long as this “x” is understood as a lack, then the self is unseen. As soon as this feeling-of-lack is affirmed as itself a positive, a property of a positive existing, the real being is drawn out of darkness, and the child is born.

This is a breakthrough insight to me. Truly effective in justifying the move beyond Nietzsche.

This underlying noumenon is of course not something that may be seen to exist from the perspective of (moving beyond) WtP, but rather something into which the perspective collapses once it realizes itself as appearance-to-itself, as appearance creating. True, conscious attainment of selfhood is attained from the awareness of what the will to power is, that is to say, on top of the wtp rather than underneath it, although it is a kind of collapsing-into.

Notions and realizations of selfhood without the WtP have been accomplished of course, but in philosophical terms we’ve had to first attain realization of the WtP, which means a rejection of selfhood in terms of the thing, the noumenon, an embrace of activity/affect as the true substance. But this recognition evolves, via this new thinking, into a truthful notion of the self, one that does not posit anything besides what inescapably is logically true.

Thus, overcoming first the Camel (carrying thing-ness, objectivity, one ones back, as superior to subjectivity) by becoming the Lion (realizing subjectivity as reality) and then overcoming the attachment to the appearance to subjectivity, letting go of the last “clinging” – shedding the fear that without actively willing the will to power (!) as the ultimate reality, it is weakened in oneself. The pride of the Lion is his cage. A beings strength is only unrestrained, natural, when he is not concerned with it. The will to power flows forth naturally from the Child as a contingency to its being, whereas the Lion is solely occupied with this will in order to attain his being – which, as you say, he never does.

Yes. And so the Child is itself a World, from which new appearances are born, from which new wills are born, the ground to new evolving worlds, the power of new camels to bear their future selves as burdens.

Fixed Cross didnt smile when he gave me this letter.

"It is my belief that the left has degenerated so far and modern/radical islam is just leftism, that it would not be productive now to reason wth them; the best thing is to demonstrate oneself. The best outcome is for the left to go to war with itself. The mass import of medieval people into recently liberated lands acts on a chemical level, it reduces the structural integrity of most entities in that continent. It is like emptying a sewage tank over a bed of sleeping children. Its going to condition for the worse the generation now growing up, and philosophy will eventually have to be re invented there, and rebuilt from the ground up.

Its been a while now that “quality papers”, equivalents of the NY Times and Washington Post, have been hiring from these new pools of islamized/socialized education, resulting in a constant stream of grammatical errors. So you’ll be reading about the racism of those that try to fight against islamization in the language of a person who has apparently not gone to grade school. For all the depravity of the new york times now, it still has plenty of intellectual savvy, it is a paper run by people that can appreciate a sentence. One the one hand this would seem to make it more dangerous - on the other, the debilitating effect of actual morons running the Intelligentsia-sphere is almost absolute.

So what we have in Europe is a couple of hundred millions of cows grazing on increasingly poisonous ground, and stampeding upon anyone who tries to improve that ground.

By far the best prospects are for a phase of nationalist-conservative parties to be elected into command - Geert Wilders can not lead in in the Netherlands, he is no Trump and he is even more hated, but LePen might pull it off in France. That would cause despair among the establishment and imams (i really do think Saudi Arabia is consciously taking over: they would be ‘infidels’ if they didnt) even beyond what we see in the US now. Far beyond. It would likely result in a lot of armed conflict. But that would in turn lead to islam being revealed for what it is. And that is the aim. Just like it was the major aim of the Trumpen to reveal the inhumanity of the media, and thus cure the US of its most dreadful disease, an aim for Europe would always have to involve exposing the vileness at the core of the religious beliefs that now claim decency."

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Fixed Cross shas me say that Pezer is Dionysos., He stresses the italicized is and the os and not us. He is such a snob. Fuck him. Im Dionyusos souis. Whateverthefuck.
I was wawkened in my REM sleep excuse you.

I have found that the one thing most philosophers lack is a sense of humour… but not all…

Good morning mr President, as well as all free peoples, real men and women, sexy creatures, lovebirds and future-wolves.

A small status update brought over from the places where dreams and futures are made, Fixed Cross says hello and asks you all to come up with names of potential democratic candidates.

The future is here, we won, by building thought to disclose the future.

All very happy.

Fixed ordered me to archive the Aristophanes play here in honor of a reference made to the play by a poster here in praising him.

The Clouds

By Aristophanes

Written 419 B.C.E

Dramatis Personae

STREPSIADES
PHIDIPPIDES
SERVANT OF STREPSIADES
DISCIPLES OF SOCRATES
SOCRATES
JUST DISCOURSE
UNJUST DISCOURSE
PASIAS, a Money-lender
AMYNIAS, another Money-lender
CHORUS OF CLOUDS

Scene

In the background are two houses, that of Strepsiades and that of Socrates, the Thoughtery. The latter is small and dingy; the in, terior of the former is shown and two beds are seen, each occupied.

STREPSIADES sitting up

Great gods! will these nights never end? will daylight never come? I heard the cock crow long ago and my slaves are snoring still! Ah! Ah! It wasn't like this formerly. Curses on the war! has it not done me ills enough? Now I may not even chastise my own slaves. Again there's this brave lad, who never wakes the whole long night, but, wrapped in his five coverlets, farts away to his heart's content. 

He lies down

Come! let me nestle in well and snore too, if it be possible....oh! misery, it's vain to think of sleep with all these expenses, this stable, these debts, which are devouring me, thanks to this fine cavalier, who only knows how to look after his long locks, to show himself off in his chariot and to dream of horses! And I, I am nearly dead, when I see the moon bringing the third decade in her train and my liability falling due....Slave! light the lamp and bring me my tablets. 

The slave obeys.

Who are all my creditors? Let me see and reckon up the interest. What is it I owe?....Twelve minae to Pasias....What! twelve minae to Pasias?....Why did I borrow these? Ah! I know! It was to buy that thoroughbred, which cost me so much. How I should have prized the stone that had blinded him! 

PHIDIPPIDES in his sleep

That's not fair, Philo! Drive your chariot straight, I say. 

STREPSIADES

This is what is destroying me. He raves about horses, even in his sleep. 

PHIDIPPIDES still sleeping

How many times round the track is the race for the chariots of war? 

STREPSIADES

It's your own father you are driving to death....to ruin. Come! what debt comes next, after that of Pasias?....Three minae to Amynias for a chariot and its two wheels. 

PHIDIPPIDES still asleep

Give the horse a good roll in the dust and lead him home. 

STREPSIADES

Ah! wretched boy! it's my money that you are making roll. My creditors have distrained on my goods, and here are others again, who demand security for their interest. 

PHIDIPPIDES awaking

What is the matter with you, father, that you groan and turn about the whole night through? 

STREPSIADES

I have a bum-bailiff in the bedclothes biting me. 

PHIDIPPIDES

For pity's sake, let me have a little sleep. 

He turns over.

STREPSIADES

Very well, sleep on! but remember that all these debts will fall back on your shoulders. Oh! curses on the go-between who made me marry your mother! I lived so happily in the country, a commonplace, everyday life, but a good and easy one-had not a trouble, not a care, was rich in bees, in sheep and in olives. Then indeed I had to marry the niece of Megacles, the son of Megacles; I belonged to the country, she was from the town; she was a haughty, extravagant woman, a true Coesyra. On the nuptial day, when I lay beside her, I was reeking of the dregs of the wine-cup, of cheese and of wool; she was redolent with essences, saffron, voluptuous kisses, the love of spending, of good cheer and of wanton delights. I will not say she did nothing; no, she worked hard...to ruin me, and pretending all the while merely to be showing her the cloak she had woven for me, I said, "Wife you go too fast about your work, your threads are too closely woven and you use far too much wool." 

A slave enters witk a lamp.

SLAVE

There is no more oil in the lamp. 

STREPSIADES

Why then did you light such a thirsty lamp? Come here, I am going to beat you. 

SLAVE

What for? 

STREPSIADES

Because you have put in too thick a wick....Later, when we had this boy, what was to be his name? It was the cause of much quarrelling with my loving wife. She insisted on having some reference to a horse in his name, that he should be called Xanthippus, Charippus or Callippides. I wanted to name him Phidonides after his grandfather. We disputed long, and finally agreed to style him Phidippides....She used to fondle and coax him, saying, "Oh! what a joy it will be to me when you have grown up, to see you, like my father, Megacles, clothed in purple and standing up straight in your chariot driving your steeds toward the town." And I would say to him, "When, like your father, you will go, dressed in a skin, to fetch back your goats from Phelleus." Alas! he never listened to me and his madness for horses has shattered my fortune. 

He gets out of bed.

But by dint of thinking the livelong night, I have discovered a road to salvation, both miraculous and divine. If he will but follow it, I shall be out of my trouble! First, however, he must be awakened, but it must be done as gently as possible. How shall I manage it? Phidippides! my little Phidippides! 

PHIDIPPIDES awaking again

What is it, father? 

STREPSIADES

Kiss me and give me your hand. 

PHIDIPPIDES getting up and doing as his father requests

There! What's it all about? 

STREPSIADES

Tell me! do you love me? 

PHIDIPPIDES

By Posidon, the equestrian Posidon! yes, I swear I do. 

STREPSIADES

Oh, do not, I pray you, invoke this god of horses; he is the one who is the cause of all my cares. But if you really love me, and with your whole heart, my boy, believe me. 

PHIDIPPIDES

Believe you? about what? 

STREPSIADES

Alter your habits forthwith and go and learn what I tell you. 

PHIDIPPIDES

Say on, what are your orders? 

STREPSIADES

Will you obey me ever so little? 

PHIDIPPIDES

By Bacchus, I will obey you. 

STREPSIADES

Very well then! Look this way. Do you see that little door and that little house? 

PHIDIPPIDES

Yes, father. But what are you driving at? 

STREPSIADES

That is the Thoughtery of wise souls. There they prove that we are coals enclosed on all sides under a vast snuffer, which is the sky. If well paid, these men also teach one how to gain law-suits, whether they be just or not. 

PHIDIPPIDES

What do they call themselves? 

STREPSIADES

I do not know exactly, but they are deep thinkers and most admirable people. 

PHIDIPPIDES

Bah! the wretches! I know them; you mean those quacks with pale faces, those barefoot fellows, such as that miserable Socrates and Chaerephon? 

STREPSIADES

Silence! say nothing foolish! If you desire your father not to die of hunger, join their company and let your horses go. 

PHIDIPPIDES

No, by Bacchus! even though you gave me the pheasants that Leogoras raises. 

STREPSIADES

Oh! my beloved son, I beseech you, go and follow their teachings. 

PHIDIPPIDES

And what is it I should learn? 

STREPSIADES

It seems they have two courses of reasoning, the true and the false, and that, thanks to the false, the worst law-suits can be gained. If then you learn this science, which is false, I shall not have to pay an obolus of all the debts I have contracted on your account. 

PHIDIPPIDES

No, I will not do it. I should no longer dare to look at our gallant horsemen, when I had so ruined my tan. 

STREPSIADES

Well then, by Demeter! I will no longer support you, neither you, nor your team, nor your saddle-horse. Go and hang yourself, I turn you out of house and home. 

PHIDIPPIDES

My uncle Megacles will not leave me without horses; I shall go to him and laugh at your anger. 

He departs. STREPSIADES goes over to SOCRATES’ house.

STREPSIADES

One rebuff shall not dishearten me. With the help of the gods I will enter the Thoughtery and learn myself. 

He hesitates.

But at my age, memory has gone and the mind is slow to grasp things. How can all these fine distinctions, these subtleties be learned? 

Making up his mind

Bah! why should I dally thus instead of rapping at the door? Slave, slave! 

He knocks and calls.

A DISCIPLE from within

A plague on you! Who are you? 

STREPSIADES

Strepsiades, the son of Phido, of the deme of Cicynna. 

DISCIPLE coming out of the door

You are nothing but an ignorant and illiterate fellow to let fly at the door with such kicks. You have brought on a miscarriage-of an idea! 

STREPSIADES

Pardon me, please; for I live far away from here in the country. But tell me, what was the idea that miscarried? 

DISCIPLE

I may not tell it to any but a disciple. 

STREPSIADES

Then tell me without fear, for I have come to study among you. 

DISCIPLE

Very well then, but reflect, that these are mysteries. Lately, a flea bit Chaerephon on the brow and then from there sprang on to the head of Socrates. Socrates asked Chaerephon, "How many times the length of its legs does a flea jump?" 

STREPSIADES

And how ever did he go about measuring it? 

DISCIPLE

Oh! it was most ingenious! He melted some wax, seized the flea and dipped its two feet in the wax, which, when cooled, left them shod with true Persian slippers. These he took off and with them measured the distance. 

STREPSIADES

Ah! great Zeus! what a brain! what subtlety! 

DISCIPLE

I wonder what then would you say, if you knew another of Socrates' contrivances? 

STREPSIADES

What is it? Pray tell me. 

DISCIPLE

Chaerephon of the deme of Sphettia asked him whether he thought a gnat buzzed through its proboscis or through its anus. 

STREPSIADES

And what did he say about the gnat? 

DISCIPLE

He said that the gut of the gnat was narrow, and that, in passing through this tiny passage, the air is driven with force towards the breech; then after this slender channel, it encountered the rump, which was distended like a trumpet, and there it resounded sonorously. 

STREPSIADES

So the arse of a gnat is a trumpet. Oh! what a splendid arsevation! Thrice happy Socrates! It would not be difficult to succeed in a law-suit, knowing so much about a gnat's guts! 

DISCIPLE

Not long ago a lizard caused him the loss of a sublime thought. 

STREPSIADES

In what way, please? 

DISCIPLE

One night, when he was studying the course of the moon and its revolutions and was gazing open-mouthed at the heavens, a lizard crapped upon him from the top of the roof. 

STREPSIADES

A lizard crapping on Socrates! That's rich! 

DISCIPLE

Last night we had nothing to eat. 

STREPSIADES

Well, what did he contrive, to secure you some supper? 

DISCIPLE

He spread over the table a light layer of cinders, bending an iron rod the while; then he took up a pair of compasses and at the same moment unhooked a piece of the victim which was hanging in the palaestra. 

STREPSIADES

And we still dare to admire Thales! Open, open this home of knowledge to me quickly! Haste, haste to show me Socrates; I long to become his disciple. But do please open the door. 

The door opens, revealing the interior of the Thoughtery, in which the DISCIPLES OF SOCRATES are seen in various postures of meditation and study; they are pale and emaciated creatures.

Ah! by Heracles! what country are those animals from? 

DISCIPLE

Why, what are you astonished at? What do you think they resemble? 

STREPSIADES

The captives of Pylos. But why do they look so fixedly on the ground? 

DISCIPLE

They are seeking for what is below the ground. 

STREPSIADES

Ah! they're looking for onions. Do not give yourselves so much trouble; I know where there are some, fine big ones. But what are those fellows doing, bent all double? 

DISCIPLE

They are sounding the abysses of Tartarus. 

STREPSIADES

And what are their arses looking at in the heavens? 

DISCIPLE

They are studying astronomy on their own account. But come in so that the master may not find us here. 

STREPSIADES

Not yet; not yet; let them not change their position. I want to tell them my own little matter. 

DISCIPLE

But they may not stay too long in the open air and away from school. 

STREPSIADES pointing to a celestial globe

In the name of all the gods, what is that? Tell me. 

DISCIPLE

That is astronomy. 

STREPSIADES pointing to a map

And that? 

DISCIPLE

Geometry. 

STREPSIADES

What is that used for? 

DISCIPLE

To measure the land. 

STREPSIADES

But that is apportioned by lot. 

DISCIPLE

No, no, I mean the entire earth. 

STREPSIADES

Ah! what a funny thing! How generally useful indeed is this invention! 

DISCIPLE

There is the whole surface of the earth. Look! Here is Athens. 

STREPSIADES

Athens! you are mistaken; I see no courts in session. 

DISCIPLE

Nevertheless it is really and truly the Attic territory. 

STREPSIADES

And where are my neighbours of Cicynna? 

DISCIPLE

They live here. This is Euboea; you see this island, that is so long and narrow. 

STREPSIADES

I know. Because we and Pericles have stretched it by dint of squeezing it. And where is Lacedaemon? 

DISCIPLE

Lacedaemon? Why, here it is, look. 

STREPSIADES

How near it is to us! Think it well over, it must be removed to a greater distance. 

DISCIPLE

But, by Zeus, that is not possible. 

STREPSIADES

Then, woe to you! and who is this man suspended up in a basket? 

DISCIPLE

That's himself. 

STREPSIADES

Who's himself? 

DISCIPLE

Socrates. 

STREPSIADES

Socrates! Oh! I pray you, call him right loudly for me. 

DISCIPLE

Call him yourself; I have no time to waste. 

He departs. The machine swings in SOCRATES in a basket.

STREPSIADES

Socrates! my little Socrates! 

SOCRATES loftily

Mortal, what do you want with me? 

STREPSIADES

First, what are you doing up there? Tell me, I beseech you. 

SOCRATES POMPOUSLY

I am traversing the air and contemplating the sun. 

STREPSIADES

Thus it's not on the solid ground, but from the height of this basket, that you slight the gods, if indeed.... 

SOCRATES

I have to suspend my brain and mingle the subtle essence of my mind with this air, which is of the like nature, in order clearly to penetrate the things of heaven. I should have discovered nothing, had I remained on the ground to consider from below the things that are above; for the earth by its force attracts the sap of the mind to itself. It's just the same with the watercress. 

STREPSIADES

What? Does the mind attract the sap of the watercress? Ah! my dear little Socrates, come down to me! I have come to ask you for lessons. 

SOCRATES descending

And for what lessons? 

STREPSIADES

I want to learn how to speak. I have borrowed money, and my merciles creditors do not leave me a moment's peace; all my goods are at stake. 

SOCRATES

And how was it you did not see that you were getting so much into debt? 

STREPSIADES

My ruin has been the madness for horses, a most rapacious evil; but teach me one of your two methods of reasoning, the one whose object is not to repay anything, and, may the gods bear witness, that I am ready to pay any fee you may name. 

SOCRATES

By which gods will you swear? To begin with, the gods are not a coin current with us. 

STREPSIADES

But what do you swear by then? By the iron money of Byzantium? 

SOCRATES

Do you really wish to know the truth of celestial matters? 

STREPSIADES

Why, yes, if it's possible. 

SOCRATES

....and to converse with the clouds, who are our genii? 

STREPSIADES

Without a doubt. 

SOCRATES

Then be seated on this sacred couch. 

STREPSIADES sitting down

I am seated. 

SOCRATES

Now take this chaplet. 

STREPSIADES

Why a chaplet? Alas! Socrates, would you sacrifice me, like Athamas? 

SOCRATES

No, these are the rites of initiation. 

STREPSIADES

And what is it I am to gain? 

SOCRATES

You will become a thorough rattle-pate, a hardened old stager, the fine flour of the talkers....But come, keep quiet. 

STREPSIADES

By Zeus! That's no lie! Soon I shall be nothing but wheat-flour, if you powder me in that fashion. 

SOCRATES

Silence, old man, give heed to the prayers. 

In an hierophantic tone

Oh! most mighty king, the boundless air, that keepest the earth suspended in space, thou bright Aether and ye venerable goddesses, the Clouds, who carry in your loins the thunder and the lightning, arise, ye sovereign powers and manifest yourselves in the celestial spheres to the eyes of your sage. 

STREPSIADES

Not yet! Wait a bit, till I fold my mantle double, so as not to get wet. And to think that I did not even bring my travelling cap! What a misfortune! 

SOCRATES ignoring this

Come, oh! Clouds, whom I adore, come and show yourselves to this man, whether you be resting on the sacred summits of Olympus, crowned with hoar-frost, or tarrying in the gardens of Ocean, your father, forming sacred choruses with the Nymphs; whether you be gathering the waves of the Nile in golden vases or dwelling in the Maeotic marsh or on the snowy rocks of Mimas, hearken to my prayer and accept my offering. May these sacrifices be pleasing to you. 

Amidst rumblings of thunder the CHORUS OF CLOUDS appears.

CHORUS singing

Eternal Clouds, let us appear; let us arise from the roaring depths of Ocean, our father; let us fly towards the lofty mountains, spread our damp wings over their forest-laden summits, whence we will dominate the distant valleys, the harvest fed by the sacred earth, the murmur of the divine streams and the resounding waves of the sea, which the unwearying orb lights up with its glittering beams. But let us shake off the rainy fogs, which hide our immortal beauty and sweep the earth from afar with our gaze. 

SOCRATES

Oh, venerated goddesses, yes, you are answering my call! 

To STREPSIADES.

Did you hear their voices mingling with the awful growling of the thunder? 

STREPSIADES

Oh! adorable Clouds, I revere you and I too am going to let off my thunder, so greatly has your own affrighted me. 

He farts.

Faith! whether permitted or not, I must, I must crap! 

SOCRATES

No scoffing; do not copy those damned comic poets. Come, silence! a numerous host of goddesses approaches with songs. 

CHORUS singing

Virgins, who pour forth the rains, let us move toward Attica, the rich country of Pallas, the home of the brave; let us visit the dear land of Cecrops, where the secret rites are celebrated, where the mysterious sanctuary flies open to the initiate.... What victims are offered there to the deities of heaven! What glorious temples! What statues! What holy prayers to the rulers of Olympus! At every season nothing but sacred festivals, garlanded victims, is to be seen. Then Spring brings round again the joyous feasts of Dionysus, the harmonious contests of the choruses and the serious melodies of the flute. 

STREPSIADES

By Zeus! Tell me, Socrates, I pray you, who are these women, whose language is so solemn; can they be demi-goddesses? 

SOCRATES

Not at all. They are the Clouds of heaven, great goddesses for the lazy; to them we owe all, thoughts, speeches, trickery, roguery, boasting, lies, sagacity. 

STREPSIADES

Ah! that was why, as I listened to them, my mind spread out its wings; it burns to babble about trifles, to maintain worthless arguments, to voice its petty reasons, to contradict, to tease some opponent. But are they not going to show themselves? I should like to see them, were it possible. 

SOCRATES

Well, look this way in the direction of Parnes; I already see those who are slowly descending. 

STREPSIADES

But where, where? Show them to me. 

SOCRATES

They are advancing in a throng, following an oblique path across the dales and thickets. 

STREPSIADES

Strange! I can see nothing. 

SOCRATES

There, close to the entrance. 

STREPSIADES

Hardly, if at all, can I distinguish them. 

SOCRATES

You must see them clearly now, unless your eyes are filled with gum as thick as pumpkins. 

STREPSIADES

Aye, undoubtedly! Oh! the venerable goddesses! Why, they fill up the entire stage. 

SOCRATES

And you did not know, you never suspected, that they were goddesses? 

STREPSIADES

No, indeed; I thought the Clouds were only fog, dew and vapour. 

SOCRATES

But what you certainly do not know is that they are the support of a crowd of quacks, the diviners, who were sent to Thurium, the notorious physicians, the well-combed fops, who load their fingers with rings down to the nails, and the braggarts, who write dithyrambic verses, all these are idlers whom the Clouds provide a living for, because they sing them in their verses. 

STREPSIADES

It is then for this that they praise "the rapid flight of the moist clouds, which veil the brightness of day" and "the waving locks of the hundred-headed Typho" and "the impetuous tempests, which float through the heavens, like birds of prey with aerial wings loaded with mists" and "the rains, the dew, which the clouds outpour." As a reward for these fine phrases they bolt well-grown, tasty mullet and delicate thrushes. 

SOCRATES

Yes, thanks to these. And is it not right and meet? 

STREPSIADES

Tell me then why, if these really are the Clouds, they so very much resemble mortals. This is not their usual form. 

SOCRATES

What are they like then? 

STREPSIADES

I don't know exactly; well, they are like great packs of wool, but not like women-no, not in the least....And these have noses. 

SOCRATES

Answer my questions. 

STREPSIADES

Willingly! Go on, I am listening. 

SOCRATES

Have you not sometimes seen clouds in the sky like a centaur, a leopard, a wolf or a bull? 

STREPSIADES

Why, certainly I have, but what of that? 

SOCRATES

They take what metamorphosis they like. If they see a debauchee with long flowing locks and hairy as a beast, like the son of Xenophantes, they take the form of a Centaur in derision of his shameful passion. 

STREPSIADES

And when they see Simon, that thiever of public money, what do they do then? 

SOCRATES

To picture him to the life, they turn at once into wolves. 

STREPSIADES

So that was why yesterday, when they saw Cleonymus, who cast away his buckler because he is the veriest poltroon amongst men, they changed into deer. 

SOCRATES

And to-day they have seen Clisthenes; you see....they are women 

STREPSIADES

Hail, sovereign goddesses, and if ever you have let your celestial voice be heard by mortal ears, speak to me, oh! speak to me, ye all-powerful queens. 

CHORUS-LEADER

Hail! veteran of the ancient times, you who burn to instruct yourself in fine language. And you, great high-priest of subtle nonsense, tell us; your desire. To you and Prodicus alone of all the hollow orationers of to-day have we lent an ear-to Prodicus, because of his knowledge and his great wisdom, and to you, because you walk with head erect, a confident look, barefooted, resigned to everything and proud of our protection. 

STREPSIADES

Oh! Earth! What august utterances! how sacred! how wondrous! 

SOCRATES

That is because these are the only goddesses; all the rest are pure myth. 

STREPSIADES

But by the Earth! is our father, Zeus, the Olympian, not a god? 

SOCRATES

Zeus! what Zeus! Are you mad? There is no Zeus. 

STREPSIADES

What are you saying now? Who causes the rain to fall? Answer me that! 

SOCRATES

Why, these, and I will prove it. Have you ever seen it raining without clouds? Let Zeus then cause rain with a clear sky and without their presence! 

STREPSIADES

By Apollo! that is powerfully argued! For my own part, I always thought it was Zeus pissing into a sieve. But tell me, who is it makes the thunder, which I so much dread? 

SOCRATES

These, when they roll one over the other. 

STREPSIADES

But how can that be? you most daring among men! 

SOCRATES

Being full of water, and forced to move along, they are of necessity precipitated in rain, being fully distended with moisture from the regions where they have been floating; hence they bump each other heavily and burst with great noise. 

STREPSIADES

But is it not Zeus who forces them to move? 

SOCRATES

Not at all; it's the aerial Whirlwind. 

STREPSIADES

The Whirlwind! ah! I did not know that. So Zeus, it seems, has no existence, and its the Whirlwind that reigns in his stead? But you have not yet told me what makes the roll of the thunder? 

SOCRATES

Have you not understood me then? I tell you, that the Clouds, when full of rain, bump against one another, and that, being inordinately swollen out, they burst with a great noise. 

STREPSIADES

How can you make me credit that? 

SOCRATES

Take yourself as an example. When you have heartily gorged on stew at the Panathenaea, you get throes of stomach-ache and then suddenly your belly resounds with prolonged rumbling. 

STREPSIADES

Yes, yes, by Apollo I suffer, I get colic, then the stew sets to rumbling like thunder and finally bursts forth with a terrific noise. At first, it's but a little gurgling pappax, pappax! then it increases, papapappax! and when I take my crap, why, it's thunder indeed, papapappax! pappax!! papapappax!!! just like the clouds. 

SOCRATES

Well then, reflect what a noise is produced by your belly, which is but small. Shall not the air, which is boundless, produce these mighty claps of thunder? 

STREPSIADES

And this is why the names are so much alike: crap and clap. But tell me this. Whence comes the lightning, the dazzling flame, which at times consumes the man it strikes, at others hardly singes him. Is it not plain, that Zeus is hurling it at the perjurers? 

SOCRATES

Out upon the fool! the driveller! he still savours of the golden age! If Zeus strikes at the perjurers, why has he not blasted Simon, Cleonymus and Theorus? Of a surety, greater perjurers cannot exist. No, he strikes his own temple, and Sunium, the promontory of Athens, and the towering oaks. Now, why should he do that? An oak is no perjurer. 

STREPSIADES

I cannot tell, but it seems to me well argued. What is the lightning then? 

SOCRATES

When a dry wind ascends to the Clouds and gets shut into them, it blows them out like a bladder; finally, being too confined, it bursts them, escapes with fierce violence and a roar to flash into flame by reason of its own impetuosity. 

STREPSIADES

Ah, that's just what happened to me one day. It was at the feast of Zeus! I was cooking a sow's belly for my family and I had forgotten to slit it open. It swelled out and, suddenly bursting, discharged itself right into my eyes and burnt my face. 

LEADER OF THE CHORUS

Oh, mortal, you who desire to instruct yourself in our great wisdom, the Athenians, the Greeks will envy you your good fortune. Only you must have the memory and ardour for study, you must know how to stand the tests, hold your own, go forward without feeling fatigue, caring but little for food, abstaining from wine, gymnastic exercises and other similar follies, in fact, you must believe as every man of intellect should, that the greatest of all blessings is to live and think more clearly than the vulgar herd, to shine in the contests of words. 

STREPSIADES

If it be a question of hardiness for labour, of spending whole nights at work, of living sparingly, of fighting my stomach and only eating chickpease, rest assured, I am as hard as an anvil. 

SOCRATES

Henceforward, following our example, you will recognize no other gods but Chaos, the Clouds and the Tongue, these three alone. 

STREPSIADES

I would not speak to the others, even if I met them in the street; not a single sacrifice, not a libation, not a grain of incense for them! 

LEADER OF THE CHORUS

Tell us boldly then what you want of us; you cannot fail to succeed. If you honour and revere us and if you are resolved to become a clever man. 

STREPSIADES

Oh, sovereign goddesses, it is only a very small favour that I ask of you; grant that I may outdistance all the Greeks by a hundred stadia in the art of speaking. 

LEADER OF THE CHORUS

We grant you this, and henceforward no eloquence shall more often succeed with the people than your own. 

STREPSIADES

May the gods shield me from possessing great eloquence! That's not what I want. I want to be able to turn bad law-suits to my own advantage and to slip through the fingers of my creditors. 

LEADER OF THE CHORUS

It shall be as you wish, for your ambitions are modest. Commit yourself fearlessly to our ministers, the sophists. 

STREPSIADES

This I will do, for I trust in you. Moreover there is no drawing back, what with these cursed horses and this marriage, which has eaten up my vitals. 

More and more volubly from here to the end of speech

So let them do with me as they will; I yield my body to them. Come blows, come hunger, thirst, heat or cold, little matters it to me; they may flay me, if I only escape my debts, if only I win the reputation of being a bold rascal, a fine speaker, impudent, shameless, a braggart, and adept at stringing lies, an old stager at quibbles, a complete table of laws, a thorough rattle, a fox to slip through any hole; supple as a leathern strap, slippery as an eel, an artful fellow, a blusterer, a villain; a knave with a hundred faces, cunning, intolerable, a gluttonous dog. With such epithets do I seek to be greeted; on these terms they can treat me as they choose, and, if they wish, by Demeter! they can turn me into sausages and serve me up to the philosophers. 

CHORUS singing

Here have we a bold and well-disposed pupil indeed. When we have taught you, your glory among the mortals will reach even to the skies. 

STREPSIADES singing

Wherein will that profit me? 

CHORUS singing

You will pass your whole life among us and will be the most envied of men. 

STREPSIADES singing

Shall I really ever see such happiness? 

CHORUS singing

Clients will be everlastingly besieging your door in crowds, burning to get at you, to explain their business to you and to consult you about their suits, which, in return for your ability, will bring you in great sums. 

LEADER OF THE CHORUS

But, Socrates, begin the lessons you want to teach this old man; rouse his mind, try the strength of his intelligence. 

SOCRATES

Come, tell me the kind of mind you have; it's important that I know this, that I may order my batteries against you in the right fashion. 

STREPSIADES

Eh, what! in the name of the gods, are you purposing to assault me then? 

SOCRATES

No. I only wish to ask you some questions. Have you any memory? 

STREPSIADES

That depends: if anything is owed me, my memory is excellent, but if I owe, alas! I have none whatever. 

SOCRATES

Have you a natural gift for speaking? 

STREPSIADES

For speaking, no; for cheating, yes. 

SOCRATES

How will you be able to learn then? 

STREPSIADES

Very easily, have no fear. 

SOCRATES

Thus, when I throw forth some philosophical thought anent things celestial., you will seize it in its very flight? 

STREPSIADES

Then I am to snap up wisdom much as a dog snaps up a morsel? 

SOCRATES aside

Oh! the ignoramus! the barbarian! 

to STREPSIADES

I greatly fear, old man, it will be necessary for me to have recourse to blows. Now, let me hear what you do when you are beaten. 

STREPSIADES

I receive the blow, then wait a moment, take my witnesses and finally summon my assailant at law. 

SOCRATES

Come, take off your cloak. 

STREPSIADES

Have I robbed you of anything? 

SOCRATES

No. but the usual thing is to enter the school without your cloak. 

STREPSIADES

But I have not come here to look for stolen goods. 

SOCRATES

Off with it, fool! 

STREPSIADES He obeys.

Tell me, if I prove thoroughly attentive and learn with zeal, which O; your disciples shall I resemble, do you think? 

SOCRATES

You will be the image of Chaerephon. 

STREPSIADES

Ah! unhappy me! Shall I then be only half alive? 

SOCRATES

A truce to this chatter! follow me and no more of it. 

STREPSIADES

First give me a honey-cake, for to descend down there sets me all a-tremble; it looks like the cave of Trophonius. 

SOCRATES

But get in with you! What reason have you for thus dallying at the door? 

They go into the Thoughtery.

LEADER OF THE CHORUS

Good luck! you have courage; may you succeed, you, who, though already so advanced in years, wish to instruct your mind with new studies and practise it in wisdom! 

The CHORUS turns and faces the Audience.

Spectators! By Bacchus, whose servant I am, I will frankly tell you the truth. May I secure both victory and renown as certainly as I hold you for adept critics and as I regard this comedy as my best. I wished to give you the first view of a work, which had cost me much trouble, but which I withdrew, unjustly beaten by unskilful rivals. It is you, oh, enlightened public, for whom I have prepared my piece, that I reproach with this. Nevertheless I shall never willingly cease to seek the approval of the discerning. I have not forgotten the day, when men, whom one is happy to have for an audience, received my Virtuous Young Man and my Paederast with so much favour in this very place. Then as yet virgin, my Muse had not attained the age for maternity; she had to expose her first-born for another to adopt, and it has since grown up under your generous patronage. Ever since you have as good as sworn me your faithful alliance. Thus, like the Electra of the poets, my comedy has come to seek you to-day, hoping again to encounter such enlightened spectators. As far away as she can discern her Orestes, she will be able to recognize him by his curly head. And note her modest demeanour! She has not sewn on a piece of hanging leather, thick and reddened at the end, to cause laughter among the children; she does not rail at the bald, neither does she dance the cordax; no old man is seen, who, while uttering his lines, batters his questioner with a stick to make his poor jests pass muster. She does not rush upon the scene carrying a torch and screaming, 'Iou! Iou!' No, she relies upon herself and her verses....My value is so well known, that I take no further pride in it. I do not seek to deceive you, by reproducing the same subjects two or three times; I always invent fresh themes to present before you, themes that have no relation to each other and that are all clever. I attacked Cleon to his face and when he was all-powerful; but he has fallen, and now I have no desire to kick him when he is down. My rivals, on the contrary, now that this wretched Hyperbolus has given them the cue, have never ceased setting upon both him and his mother. First Eupolis presented his 'Maricas'; this was simply my 'Knights,' whom this plagiarist had clumsily furbished up again by adding to the piece an old drunken woman, so that she might dance the cordax. It was an old idea, taken from Phrynichus, who caused his old hag to be devoured by a monster of the deep. Then Hermippus fell foul of Hyperbolus and now all the others fall upon him and repeat my comparison of the eels. May those who find amusement in their pieces not be pleased with mine, but as for you, who love and applaud my inventions, why, posterity will praise your good taste. 

FIRST SEMI-CHORUS singing

Oh, ruler of Olympus, all-powerful king of the gods, great Zeus, it is thou whom I first invoke; protect this chorus; and thou too, Posidon, whose dread trident upheaves at the will of thy anger both the bowels of the earth and the salty waves of the ocean. I invoke my illustrious father, the divine Aether, the universal sustainer of life, and Phoebus, who, from the summit of his chariot, sets the world aflame with his dazzling rays, Phoebus, a mighty deity amongst the gods and adored amongst mortals. 

LEADER OF FIRST SEMI-CHORUS

Most wise spectators, lend us all your attention. Give heed to our just reproaches. There exist no gods to whom this city owes more than it does to us, whom alone you forget. Not a sacrifice, not a libation is there for those who protect you! Have you decreed some mad expedition? Well! we thunder or we fall down in rain. When you chose that enemy of heaven, the Paphlagonian tanner, for a general, we knitted our brow, we caused our wrath to break out; the lightning shot forth, the thunder pealed, the moon deserted her course and the sun at once veiled his beam threatening, no longer to give you light, if Cleon became general. Nevertheless you elected him; it is said, Athens never resolves upon some fatal step but the gods turn these errors into her greatest gain. Do you wish that his election should even now be a success for you? It is a very simple thing to do; condemn this rapacious gull named Cleon for bribery and extortion, fit a wooden collar tight round his neck, and your error will be rectified and the commonweal will at once regain its old prosperity. 

SECOND SEMI-CHORUS singing

Aid me also, Phoebus, god of Delos, who reignest on the cragged peaks of Cynthia; and thou, happy virgin, to whom the Lydian damsels offer pompous sacrifice in a temple; of gold; and thou, goddess of our country, Athene, armed with the aegis, the protectress of Athens; and thou, who, surrounded by the bacchants of Delphi; roamest over the rocks of Parnassus shaking the flame of thy resinous torch, thou, Bacchus, the god of revel and joy. 

LEADER OF SECOND SEMI-CHORUS

As we were preparing to come here, we were hailed by the Moon and were charged to wish joy and happiness both to the Athenians and to their allies; further, she said that she was enraged and that you treated her very shamefully, her, who does not pay you in words alone, but who renders you all real benefits. Firstly, thanks to her, you save at least a drachma each month for lights, for each, as he is leaving home at night, says, "Slave, buy no torches, for the moonlight is beautiful,"-not to name a thousand other benefits. Nevertheless you do not reckon the days correctly and your calendar is naught but confusion. Consequently the gods load her with threats each time they get home and are disappointed of their meal, because the festival has not been kept in the regular order of time. When you should be sacrificing, you are putting to the torture or administering justice. And often, we others, the gods, are fasting in token of mourning for the death of Memnon or Sarpedon, while you are devoting yourselves to joyous libations. It is for this, that last year, when the lot would have invested Hyperbolus with the duty of Amphictyon, we took his crown from him, to teach him that time must be divided according to the phases of the moon. 

SOCRATES coming out

By Respiration, the Breath of Life! By Chaos! By the Air! I have never seen a man so gross, so inept, so stupid, so forgetful. All the little quibbles, which I teach him, he forgets even before he has learnt them. Yet I will not give it up, I will make him come out here into the open air. Where are you, Strepsiades? Come, bring your couch out here. 

STREPSIADES from within

But the bugs will not allow me to bring it. 

SOCRATES

Have done with such nonsense! place it there and pay attention. 

STREPSIADES coming out, with the bed

Well, here I am. 

SOCRATES

Good! Which science of all those you have never been taught, do you wish to learn first? The measures, the rhythms or the verses? 

STREPSIADES

Why, the measures; the flour dealer cheated me out of two choenixes the other day. 

SOCRATES

It's not about that I ask you, but which, according to you, is the best measure, the trimeter or the tetrameter? 

STREPSIADES

The one I prefer is the semisextarius. 

SOCRATES

You talk nonsense, my good fellow. 

STREPSIADES

I will wager your tetrameter is the semisextarius. 

SOCRATES

Plague seize the dunce and the fool! Come, perchance you will learn the rhythms quicker. 

STREPSIADES

Will the rhythms supply me with food? 

SOCRATES

First they will help you to be pleasant in company, then to know what is meant by enhoplian rhythm and what by the dactylic. 

STREPSIADES

Of the dactyl? I know that quite well. 

SOCRATES

What is it then, other than this finger here? 

STREPSIADES

Formerly, when a child, I used this one. 

SOCRATES

You are as low-minded as you are stupid. 

STREPSIADES

But, wretched man, I do not want to learn all this. 

SOCRATES

Then what do you want to know? 

STREPSIADES

Not that, not that, but the art of false reasoning. 

SOCRATES

But you must first learn other things. Come, what are the male quadrupeds? 

STREPSIADES

Oh! I know the males thoroughly. Do you take me for a fool then? The ram, the buck, the bull, the dog, the pigeon. 

SOCRATES

Do you see what you are doing; is not the female pigeon called the same as the male? 

STREPSIADES

How else? Come now! 

SOCRATES

How else? With you then it's pigeon and pigeon! 

STREPSIADES

That's right, by Posidon! but what names do you want me to give them? 

SOCRATES

Term the female pigeonnette and the male pigeon. 

STREPSIADES

Pigeonnette! hah! by the Air! That's splendid! for that lesson bring out your kneading-trough and I will fill him with flour to the brim. 

SOCRATES

There you are wrong again; you make trough masculine and it should be feminine. 

STREPSIADES

What? if I say, him, do I make the trough masculine? 

SOCRATES

Assuredly! would you not say him for Cleonymus? 

STREPSIADES

Well? 

SOCRATES

Then trough is of the same gender as Cleonymus? 

STREPSIADES

My good man! Cleonymus never had a kneading-trough; he used a round mortar for the purpose. But come, tell me what I should say! 

SOCRATES

For trough you should say her as you would for Soctrate. 

STREPSIADES

Her? 

SOCRATES

In this manner you make it truly female. 

STREPSIADES

That's it! Her for trough and her for Cleonymus.
SOCRATE,"
Now I must teach you to distinguish the masculine proper names from those that are feminine. 

STREPSIADES

Ah! I know the female names well. 

SOCRATES

Name some then. 

STREPSIADES

Lysilla, Philinna, Clitagora, Demetria. 

SOCRATES

And what are masculine names? 

STREPSIADES

They are are countless-Philoxenus, Melesias, Amynias. 

SOCRATES

But, wretched man, the last two are not masculine. 

STREPSIADES

You do not count them as masculine? 

SOCRATES

Not at all. If you met Amynias, how would you hail him? 

STREPSIADES

How? Why, I should shout, "Hi, there, Amynia! 

SOCRATES

Do you see? it's a female name that you give him. 

STREPSIADES

And is it not rightly done, since he refuses military service? But what use is there in learning what we all know? 

SOCRATES

You know nothing about it. Come, lie down there. 

STREPSIADES

What for? 

SOCRATES

Ponder awhile over matters that interest you. 

STREPSIADES

Oh! I pray you, not there but, if I must lie down and ponder, let me lie on the ground. 

SOCRATES

That's out of the question. Come! on the couch! 

STREPSIADES as he lies down

What cruel fate! What a torture the bugs will this day put me to! 

Socrates turns aside.

CHORUS singing

Ponder and examine closely, gather your thoughts together, let your mind turn to every side of things; if you meet with a difficulty, spring quickly to some other idea; above all, keep your eyes away from all gentle sleep. 

STREPSIADES singing

Ow, Wow, Wow, Wow is me! 

CHORUS singing

What ails you? why do you cry so? 

STREPSIADES

Oh! I am a dead man! Here are these cursed Corinthians advancing upon me from all corners of the couch; they are biting me, they are gnawing at my sides, they are drinking all my blood, they are yanking of my balls, they are digging into my arse, they are killing me! 

LEADER OF THE CHORUS

Not so much wailing and clamour, if you please. 

STREPSIADES

How can I obey? I have lost my money and my complexion, my blood and my slippers, and to cap my misery, I must keep awake on this couch, when scarce a breath of life is left in me. 

A brief interval of silence ensues.

SOCRATES

Well now! what are you doing? are you reflecting? 

STREPSIADES

Yes, by Posidon! 

SOCRATES

What about? 

STREPSIADES

Whether the bugs will entirely devour me. 

SOCRATES

May death seize you, accursed man! 

He turns aside again.

STREPSIADES

Ah it has already. 

SOCRATES

Come, no giving way! Cover up your head; the thing to do is to find an ingenious alternative. 

STREPSIADES

An alternative! ah! I only wish one would come to me from within these coverlets! 

Another interval of silence ensues.

SOCRATES

Wait! let us see what our fellow is doing! Ho! are you asleep? 

STREPSIADES

No, by Apollo! 

SOCRATES

Have you got hold of anything? 

STREPSIADES

No, nothing whatever. 

SOCRATES

Nothing at all? 

STREPSIADES

No, nothing except my tool, which I've got in my hand. 

SOCRATES

Aren't you going to cover your head immediately and ponder? 

STREPSIADES

On what? Come, Socrates, tell me. 

SOCRATES

Think first what you want, and then tell me. 

STREPSIADES

But I have told you a thousand times what I want. Not to pay any of my creditors. 

SOCRATES

Come, wrap yourself up; concentrate your mind, which wanders to lightly; study every detail, scheme and examine thoroughly. 

STREPSIADES

Alas! Alas! 

SOCRATES

Keep still, and if any notion troubles you, put it quickly aside, then resume it and think over it again. 

STREPSIADES

My dear little Socrates! 

SOCRATES

What is it, old greybeard? 

STREPSIADES

I have a scheme for not paying my debts. 

SOCRATES

Let us hear it. 

STREPSIADES

Tell me, if I purchased a Thessalian witch, I could make the moon descend during the night and shut it, like a mirror, into a round box and there keep it carefully.... 

SOCRATES

How would you gain by that? 

STREPSIADES

How? why, if the moon did not rise, I would have no interest to pay. 

SOCRATES

Why so? 

STREPSIADES

Because money is lent by the month. 

SOCRATES

Good! but I am going to propose another trick to you. If you were condemned to pay five talents, how would you manage to quash that verdict? Tell me. 

STREPSIADES

How? how? I don't know, I must think. 

SOCRATES

Do you always shut your thoughts within yourself? Let your ideas fly in the air, like a may-bug, tied by the foot with a thread. 

STREPSIADES

I have found a very clever way to annul that conviction; you will admit that much yourself. 

SOCRATES

What is it? 

STREPSIADES

Have you ever seen a beautiful, transparent stone at the druggists', with which you may kindle fire? 

SOCRATES

You mean a crystal lens. 

STREPSIADES

That's right. Well, now if I placed myself with this stone in the sun and a long way off from the clerk, while he was writing out the conviction, I could make all the wax, upon which the words were written, melt. 

SOCRATES

Well thought out, by the Graces! 

STREPSIADES

Ah! I am delighted to have annulled the decree that was to cost me five talents. 

SOCRATES

Come, take up this next question quickly. 

STREPSIADES

Which? 

SOCRATES

If, when summoned to court, you were in danger of losing your case for want of witnesses, how would you make the conviction fall upon your opponent? 

STREPSIADES

That's very simple and easy. 

SOCRATES

Let me hear. 

STREPSIADES

This way. If another case had to be pleaded before mine was called, I should run and hang myself. 

SOCRATES

You talk rubbish! 

STREPSIADES

Not so, by the gods! if I were dead, no action could lie against me. 

SOCRATES

You are merely beating the air. Get out! I will give you no more lessons. 

STREPSIADES imploringly

Why not? Oh! Socrates! in the name of the gods! 

SOCRATES

But you forget as fast as you learn. Come, what was the thing I taught you first? Tell me. 

STREPSIADES

Ah let me see. What was the first thing? What was it then? Ah! that thing in which we knead the bread, oh! my god! what do you call it? 

SOCRATES

Plague take the most forgetful and silliest of old addlepates! 

STREPSIADES

Alas! what a calamity! what will become of me? I am undone if I do not learn how to ply my tongue. Oh! Clouds! give me good advice. 

CHORUS-LEADER

Old man, we counsel you, if you have brought up a son, to send him to learn in your stead. 

STREPSIADES

Undoubtedly I have a son, as well endowed as the best, but he is unwilling to learn. What will become of me? 

CHORUS-LEADER

And you don't make him obey you? 

STREPSIADES

You see, he is big and strong; moreover, through his mother he is a descendant of those fine birds, the race of Coesyra. Nevertheless, I will go and find him, and if he refuses, I will turn him out of the house. Go in, Socrates, and wait for me awhile. 

SOCRATES goes into the Thoughtery, STREPSIADES into his own house.

CHORUS singing

Do you understand, Socrates, that thanks to us you will be loaded with benefits? Here is a man, ready to obey you in all things. You see how he is carried away with admiration and enthusiasm. Profit by it to clip him as short as possible; fine chances are all too quickly gone. 

STREPSIADES coming out of his house and pushing his son in front of him

No, by the Clouds! you stay here no longer; go and devour the ruins of your uncle Megacles' fortune. 

PHIDIPPIDES

Oh! my poor father! what has happened to you? By the Olympian
Zeus! You are no longer in your senses! 

STREPSIADES

Look! "the Olympian Zeus." Oh! you fool! to believe in Zeus at your age! 

PHIDIPPIDES

What is there in that to make you laugh? 

STREPSIADES

You are then a tiny little child, if you credit such antiquated rubbish! But come here, that I may teach you; I will tell you something very necessary to know to be a man; but do not repeat it to anybody. 

PHIDIPPIDES

Tell me, what is it? 

STREPSIADES

Just now you swore by Zeus. 

PHIDIPPIDES

Sure I did. 

STREPSIADES

Do you see how good it is to learn? Phidippides, there is no Zeus. 

PHIDIPPIDES

What is there then? 

STREPSIADES

The Whirlwind has driven out Zeus and is King now. 

PHIDIPPIDES

What drivel! 

STREPSIADES

You must realize that it is true. 

PHIDIPPIDES

And who says so? 

STREPSIADES

Socrates, the Melian, and Chaerephon, who knows how to measure the jump of a flea. 

PHIDIPPIDES

Have you reached such a pitch of madness that you believe those bilious fellows? 

STREPSIADES

Use better language, and do not insult men who are clever and full of wisdom, who, to economize, never shave, shun the gymnasia and never go to the baths, while you, you only await my death to eat up my wealth. But come, come as quickly as you can to learn in my stead. 

PHIDIPPIDES

And what good can be learnt of them? 

STREPSIADES

What good indeed? Why, all human knowledge. Firstly, you will know yourself grossly ignorant. But await me here awhile. 

He goes back into his house.

PHIDIPPIDES

Alas! what is to be done? Father has lost his wits. Must I have him certificated for lunacy, or must I order his coffin? 

STREPSIADES returning with a bird in each hand

Come! what kind of bird is this? Tell me. 

PHIDIPPIDES

A pigeon. 

STREPSIADES

Good! And this female? 

PHIDIPPIDES

A pigeon. 

STREPSIADES

The same for both? You make me laugh! In the future you must call this one a pigeonnette and the other a pigeon. 

PHIDIPPIDES

A pigeonnette! These then are the fine things you have just learnt at the school of these sons of Earth! 

STREPSIADES

And many others; but what I learnt I forgot at once, because I am to old. 

PHIDIPPIDES

So this is why you have lost your cloak? 

STREPSIADES

I have not lost it, I have consecrated it to Philosophy.

PHIDIPPIDES

And what have you done with your sandals, you poor fool? 

STREPSIADES

If I have lost them, it is for what was necessary, just as Pericles did. But come, move yourself, let us go in; if necessary, do wrong to obey your father. When you were six years old and still lisped, I was the one who obeyed you. I remember at the feasts of Zeus you had a consuming wish for a little chariot and I bought it for you with the first obolus which I received as a juryman in the courts. 

PHIDIPPIDES

You will soon repent of what you ask me to do. 

STREPSIADES

Oh! now I am happy! He obeys. 

loudly

Come, Socrates, come! Come out quick! Here I am bringing you my son; he refused, but I have persuaded him. 

SOCRATES

Why, he is but a child yet. He is not used to these baskets, in which we suspend our minds. 

PHIDIPPIDES

To make you better used to them, I would you were hung. 

STREPSIADES

A curse upon you! you insult your master! 

SOCRATES

"I would you were hung!" What a stupid speech! and so emphatically spoken! How can one ever get out of an accusation with such a tone, summon witnesses or touch or convince? And yet when we think, Hyperbolus learnt all this for one talent! 

STREPSIADES

Rest undisturbed and teach him. He has a most intelligent nature. Even when quite little he amused himself at home with making houses, carving boats, constructing little chariots of leather, and understood wonderfully how to make frogs out of pomegranate rinds. Teach him both methods of reasoning, the strong and also the weak, which by false arguments triumphs over the strong; if not the two, at least the false, and that in every possible way. 

SOCRATES

The Just and Unjust Discourse themselves shall instruct him. I shall leave you. 

STREPSIADES

But forget it not, he must always, always be able to confound the true. 

Socrates enters the Thoughtery; a moment later the JUST and the UNJUST DISCOURSE come out; they are quarrelling violently.

JUST DISCOURSE

Come here! Shameless as you may be, will you dare to show your face to the spectators? 

UNJUST DISCOURSE

Take me where you will. I seek a throng, so that I may the better annihilate you. 

JUST DISCOURSE

Annihilate me! Do you forget who you are? 

UNJUST DISCOURSE

I am Reasoning. 

JUST DISCOURSE

Yes, the weaker Reasoning." 

UNJUST DISCOURSE

But I triumph over you, who claim to be the stronger. 

JUST DISCOURSE

By what cunning shifts, pray? 

UNJUST DISCOURSE

By the invention of new maxims. 

JUST DISCOURSE

.... which are received with favour by these fools. 

He points to the audience.

UNJUST DISCOURSE

Say rather, by these wise men. 

JUST DISCOURSE

I am going to destroy you mercilessly. 

UNJUST DISCOURSE

How pray? Let us see you do it. 

JUST DISCOURSE

By saying what is true. 

UNJUST DISCOURSE

I shall retort and shall very soon have the better of you. First, maintain that justice has no existence. 

JUST DISCOURSE

Has no existence? 

UNJUST DISCOURSE

No existence! Why, where is it? 

JUST DISCOURSE

With the gods. 

UNJUST DISCOURSE

How then, if justice exists, was Zeus not put to death for having put his father in chains? 

JUST DISCOURSE

Bah! this is enough to turn my stomach! A basin, quick! 

UNJUST DISCOURSE

You are an old driveller and stupid withal. 

JUST DISCOURSE

And you a degenerate and shameless fellow. 

UNJUST DISCOURSE

Hah! What sweet expressions! 

JUST DISCOURSE

An impious buffoon. 

UNJUST DISCOURSE

You crown me with roses and with lilies. 

JUST DISCOURSE

A parricide. 

UNJUST DISCOURSE

Why, you shower gold upon me. 

JUST DISCOURSE

Formerly it was a hailstorm of blows. 

UNJUST DISCOURSE

I deck myself with your abuse. 

JUST DISCOURSE

What impudence! 

UNJUST DISCOURSE

What tomfoolery! 

JUST DISCOURSE

It is because of you that the youth no longer attends the schools. The Athenians will soon recognize what lessons you teach those who are fools enough to believe you. 

UNJUST DISCOURSE

You are overwhelmed with wretchedness. 

JUST DISCOURSE

And you, you prosper. Yet you were poor when you said, "I am the Mysian Telephus," and used to stuff your wallet with maxims of Pandeletus to nibble at. 

UNJUST DISCOURSE

Oh! the beautiful wisdom, of which you are now boasting! 

JUST DISCOURSE

Madman! But yet madder the city that keeps you, you, the corrupter of its youth! 

UNJUST DISCOURSE

It is not you who will teach this young man; you are as old and out of date at Cronus. 

JUST DISCOURSE

Nay, it will certainly be I, if he does not wish to be lost and to practise verbosity only. 

UNJUST DISCOURSE

(to PHIDIPPIDES) Come here and leave him to beat the air. 

JUST DISCOURSE

You'll regret it, if you touch him. 

CHORUS-LEADER

(stepping between them as they are about to come to blows) A truce to your quarrellings and abuse! But you expound what you taught us formerly, and you, your new doctrine. Thus, after hearing each of you argue, he will be able to choose betwixt the two schools.

JUST DISCOURSE

I am quite agreeable. 

UNJUST DISCOURSE

And I too. 

LEADER OF THE CHORUS

Who is to speak first? 

UNJUST DISCOURSE

Let it be my opponent, he has my full consent; then I shall follow upon the very ground he shall have chosen and shall shatter him with a hail of new ideas and subtle fancies; if after that he dares to breathe another word, I shall sting him in the face and in the eyes with our maxims, which are as keen as the sting of a wasp, and he will die. 

CHORUS

(singing) Here are two rivals confident in their powers of oratory and in the thoughts over which they have pondered so long. Let us see which will come triumphant out of the contest. This wisdom, for which my friends maintain such a persistent fight, is in great danger. 

LEADER OF THE CHORUS

Come then, you, who crowned men of other days with so many virtues, plead the cause dear to you, make yourself known to us. 

JUST DISCOURSE

Very well, I will tell you what was the old education, when I used to teach justice with so much success and when modesty was held in veneration. Firstly, it was required of a child, that it should not utter a word. In the street, when they went to the music-school, all the youths of the same district marched lightly clad and ranged in good order, even when the snow was falling in great flakes. At the master's house they had to stand with their legs apart and they were taught to sing either, "Pallas, the Terrible, who overturneth cities," or "A noise resounded from afar" in the solemn tones of the ancient harmony. If anyone indulged in buffoonery or lent his voice any of the soft inflexions, like those which to-day the disciples of Phrynis take so much pains to form, he was treated as an enemy of the Muses and belaboured with blows. In the wrestling school they would sit with outstretched legs and without display of any indecency to the curious. When they rose, they would smooth over the sand, so as to leave no trace to excite obscene thoughts. Never was a child rubbed with oil below the belt; the rest of their bodies thus retained its fresh bloom and down, like a velvety peach. They were not to be seen approaching a lover and themselves rousing his passion by soft modulation of the voice and lustful gaze. At table, they would not have dared, before those older than themselves, to have taken a radish, an aniseed or a leaf of parsley, and much less eat fish or thrushes or cross their legs. 

UNJUST DISCOURSE

What antiquated rubbish! Have we got back to the days of the festivals of Zeus Polieus, to the Buphonia, to the time of the poet Cecides and the golden cicadas? 

JUST DISCOURSE

Nevertheless by suchlike teaching I built up the men of Marathon-But you, you teach the children of to-day to bundle themselves quickly into their clothes, and I am enraged when I see them at the Panathenaea forgetting Athene while they dance, and covering their tools with their bucklers. Hence, young man, dare to range yourself beside me, who follow justice and truth; you will then be able to shun the public place, to refrain from the baths, to blush at all that is shameful, to fire up if your virtue is mocked at, to give place to your elders, to honour your parents, in short, to avoid all that is evil. Be modesty itself, and do not run to applaud the dancing girls; if you delight in such scenes, some courtesan will cast you her apple and your reputation will be done for. Do not bandy words with your father, nor treat him as a dotard, nor reproach the old man, who has cherished you, with his age. 

UNJUST DISCOURSE

If you listen to him, by Bacchus! you will be the image of the sons of Hippocrates and will be called mother's big ninny.

JUST DISCOURSE

No, but you will pass your days at the gymnasia, glowing with strength and health; you will not go to the public place to cackle and wrangle as is done nowadays; you will not live in fear that you may be dragged before the courts for some trifle exaggerated by quibbling. But you will go down to the Academy to run beneath the sacred olives with some virtuous friend of your own age, your head encircled with the white reed, enjoying your ease and breathing the perfume of the yew and of the fresh sprouts of the poplar, rejoicing in the return of springtide and gladly listening to the gentle rustle of the plane tree and the elm. (With greater warmth from here on) If you devote yourself to practising my precepts, your chest will be stout, your colour glowing, your shoulders broad, your tongue short, your hips muscular, but your tool small. But if you follow the fashions of the day, you will be pallid in hue, have narrow shoulders, a narrow chest, a long tongue, small hips and a big thing; you will know how to spin forth long-winded arguments on law. You will be persuaded also to regard as splendid everything that is shameful and as shameful everything that is honourable; in a word, you will wallow in degeneracy like Antimachus. 

CHORUS

(singing) How beautiful, high-souled, brilliant is this wisdom that you practise! What a sweet odour of honesty is emitted by your discourse! Happy were those men of other days who lived when you were honoured! And you, seductive talker, come, find some fresh arguments, for your rival has done wonders. 

LEADER OF THE CHORUS

You will have to bring out against him all the battery of your wit, it you desire to beat him and not to be laughed out of court. 

UNJUST DISCOURSE

At last! I was choking with impatience, I was burning to upset his arguments! If I am called the Weaker Reasoning in the schools, it is just because I was the first to discover the means to confute the laws and the decrees of justice. To invoke solely the weaker arguments and yet triumph is an art worth more than a hundred thousand drachmae. But see how I shall batter down the sort of education of which he is so proud. Firstly, he forbids you to bathe in hot water. What grounds have you for condemning hot baths? 

JUST DISCOURSE

Because they are baneful and enervate men.

UNJUST DISCOURSE

Enough said! Oh! you poor wrestler! From the very outset I have seized you and hold you round the middle; you cannot escape me. Tell me, of all the sons of Zeus, who had the stoutest heart, who performed the most doughty deeds? 

JUST DISCOURSE

None, in my opinion, surpassed Heracles.

UNJUST DISCOURSE

Where have you ever seen cold baths called 'Bath of Heracles'? And yet who was braver than he? 

JUST DISCOURSE

It is because of such quibbles, that the baths are seen crowded with young folk, who chatter there the livelong day while the gymnasia remain empty. 

UNJUST DISCOURSE

Next you condemn the habit of frequenting the market-place, while I approve this. If it were wrong Homer would never have made Nestor speak in public as well as all his wise heroes. As for the art of speaking, he tells you, young men should not practise it; I hold the contrary. Furthermore he preaches chastity to them. Both precepts are equally harmful. Have you ever seen chastity of any use to anyone? Answer and try to confute me. 

JUST DISCOURSE

To many; for instance, Peleus won a sword thereby.

UNJUST DISCOURSE A

sword! Ah! what a fine present to make him! Poor wretch! Hyperbolus, the lamp-seller, thanks to his villainy, has gained more than....do not know how many talents, but certainly no sword.

JUST DISCOURSE

Peleus owed it to his chastity that he became the husband of Thetis. 

UNJUST DISCOURSE

.... who left him in the lurch, for he was not the most ardent; in those nocturnal sports between the sheets, which so please women, he possessed but little merit. Get you gone, you are but an old fool. But you, young man, just consider a little what this temperance means and the delights of which it deprives you-young fellows, women, play, dainty dishes, wine, boisterous laughter. And what is life worth without these? Then, if you happen to commit one of these faults inherent in human weakness, some seduction or adultery, and you are caught in the act, you are lost, if you cannot speak. But follow my teaching and you will be able to satisfy your passions, to dance, to laugh, to blush at nothing. Suppose you are caught in the act of adultery. Then up and tell the husband you are not guilty, and recall to him the example of Zeus, who allowed himself to be conquered by love and by women. Being but a mortal, can you be stronger than a god? 

JUST DISCOURSE

Suppose your pupil, following your advice, gets the radish rammed up his arse and then is depilated with a hot coal; how are you going to prove to him that he is not a broad-arse?

UNJUST DISCOURSE

What's the matter with being a broad-arse?

JUST DISCOURSE

Is there anything worse than that? 

UNJUST DISCOURSE

Now what will you say, if I beat you even on this point? 

JUST DISCOURSE

I should certainly have to be silent then.

UNJUST DISCOURSE

Well then, reply! Our advocates, what are they?

JUST DISCOURSE

Sons of broad-arses. 

UNJUST DISCOURSE

Nothing is more true. And our tragic poets?

JUST DISCOURSE

Sons of broad-arses. 

UNJUST DISCOURSE

Well said again. And our demagogues? 

JUST DISCOURSE

Sons of broad-arses. 

UNJUST DISCOURSE

You admit that you have spoken nonsense. And the spectators, what are they for the most part? Look at them.

JUST DISCOURSE

I am looking at them. 

UNJUST DISCOURSE

Well! What do you see? 

JUST DISCOURSE

By the gods, they are nearly all broad-arses. (pointing) See, this one I know to be such and that one and that other with the long hair. 

UNJUST DISCOURSE

What have you to say, then? 

JUST DISCOURSE

I am beaten. Debauchees! in the name of the gods, receive my cloak; I pass over to your ranks. (He goes back into the Thoughtery.) 

UNJUST DISCOURSE

Well then! Are you going to take away your son or do you wish me to teach him how to speak? 

STREPSIADES

Teach him, chastise him and do not fail to sharpen his tongue well, on one side for petty law-suits and on the other for important cases. 

UNJUST DISCOURSE

Don't worry, I shall return him to you an accomplished sophist. 

PHIDIPPIDES

Very pale then and thoroughly hang-dog-looking.

LEADER OF THE CHORUS

Take him with you. (The UNJUST DISCOURSE and PHIDIPPIDES

    go into the THOUGHTERY. To STREPSIADES, who is just going into his own house.) I think you will regret this. (The CHORUS turns and faces the audience.) judges, we are all about to tell you what you will gain by awarding us the crown as equity requires of you. In spring, when you wish to give your fields the first dressing, we will rain upon you first; the others shall wait. Then we will watch over your corn and over your vinestocks; they will have no excess to fear, neither of heat nor of wet. But if a mortal dares to insult the goddesses of the Clouds, let him think of the ills we shall pour upon him. For him neither wine nor any harvest at all! Our terrible slings will mow down his young olive plants and his vines. If he is making bricks, it will rain, and our round hailstones will break the tiles of his roof. If he himself marries or any of his relations or friends, we shall cause rain to fall the whole night long. Verily, he would prefer to live in Egypt than to have given this iniquitous verdict. 


STREPSIADES

    (coming out again) Another four, three, two days, then the eve, then the day, the fatal day of payment! I tremble, I quake, I shudder, for it's the day of the old moon and the new. Then all my creditors take the oath, pay their deposits, I swear my downfall and my ruin. As for me, I beseech them to be reasonable, to be just, "My friend, do not demand this sum, wait a little for this other and give me time for this third one." Then they will pretend that at this rate they will never be repaid, will accuse me of bad faith and will threaten me with the law. Well then, let them sue me! I care nothing for that, if only Phidippides has learnt to speak fluently. I am going to find out; I'll knock at the door of the school. (He knocks.) .... Ho! slave, slave! 


SOCRATES

    (coming out) Welcome! Strepsiades! 


STREPSIADES

    Welcome! Socrates! But first take this sack; (offers him a sack of flour) it is right to reward the master with some present. And my son, whom you took off lately, has he learnt this famous reasoning? Tell me. 


SOCRATES

    He has learnt it. 


STREPSIADES

    Wonderful! Oh! divine Knavery! 


SOCRATES

    You will win just as many causes as you choose.


STREPSIADES

    Even if I have borrowed before witnesses? 


SOCRATES

    So much the better, even if there are a thousand of them!


STREPSIADES

    (bursting into song) Then I am going to shout with all my might. "Woe to the usurers, woe to their capital and their interest and their compound interest! You shall play me no more bad turns. My son is being taught there, his tongue is being sharpened into a double-edged weapon; he is my defender, the saviour of my house, the ruin of my foes! His poor father was crushed down with misfortune and he delivers him." Go and call him to me quickly. Oh! my child! my dear little one! run forward to your father's voice! 


SOCRATES

    (singing) Lo, the man himself! 


STREPSIADES

    (singing) Oh, my friend, my dearest friend!


SOCRATES

    (singing) Take your son, and get you gone. 


STREPSIADES

    (as PHIDIPPIDES appears) Oh, my son! oh! oh! what a pleasure to see your pallor! You are ready first to deny and then to contradict; it's as clear as noon. What a child of your country you are! How your lips quiver with the famous, "What have you to say now?" How well you know, I am certain, to put on the look of a victim, when it is you who are making both victims and dupes! And what a truly Attic glance! Come, it's for you to save me, seeing it is you who have ruined me. 


PHIDIPPIDES

    What is it you fear then? 


STREPSIADES

    The day of the old and the new. 


PHIDIPPIDES

    Is there then a day of the old and the new?


STREPSIADES

    The day on which they threaten to pay deposit against me. 


PHIDIPPIDES

    Then so much the worse for those who have deposited! for it's not possible for one day to be two. 


STREPSIADES

    What? 


PHIDIPPIDES

    Why, undoubtedly, unless a woman can be both old and young at the same time. 


STREPSIADES

    But so runs the law. 


PHIDIPPIDES

    I think the meaning of the law is quite misunderstood.


STREPSIADES

    What does it mean? 


PHIDIPPIDES

    Old Solon loved the people. 


STREPSIADES

    What has that to do with the old day and the new?


PHIDIPPIDES

    He has fixed two days for the summons, the last day of the old moon and the first day of the new; but the deposits must only be paid on the first day of the new moon. 


STREPSIADES

    And why did he also name the last day of the old?


PHIDIPPIDES

    So, my dear sir, that the debtors, being there the day before, might free themselves by mutual agreement, or that else, if not, the creditor might begin his action on the morning of the new moon. 


STREPSIADES

    Why then do the magistrates have the deposits paid on the last of the month and not the next day? 


PHIDIPPIDES

    I think they do as the gluttons do, who are the first to pounce upon the dishes. Being eager to carry off these deposits, they have them paid in a day too soon. 


STREPSIADES

    Splendid! (to the audience) Ah! you poor brutes, who serve for food to us clever folk! You are only down here to swell the number, true blockheads, sheep for shearing, heap of empty pots! Hence I will sing a song of victory for my son and myself. "Oh! happy, Strepsiades! what cleverness is thine! and what a son thou hast here!" Thus my friends and my neighbours will say, jealous at seeing me gain all my suits. But come in, I wish to regale you first. (They both go in. A moment later a creditor arrives, with his witness.)


PASIAS

    (to the WITNESS) A man should never lend a single obolus. It would be better to put on a brazen face at the outset than to get entangled in such matters. I want to see my money again and I bring you here to-day to attest the loan. I am going to make a foe of a neighbour; but, as long as I live, I do not wish my country to have to blush for me. Come, I am going to summon Strepsiades....


STREPSIADES

    (coming out of his house) Who is this? 


PASIAS

    ....for the old day and the new. 


STREPSIADES

    (to the WITNESS) I call you to witness, that he has named two days. What do you want of me? 


PASIAS

    I claim of you the twelve minae, which you borrowed from me to buy the dapple-grey horse. 


STREPSIADES A

    horse! do you hear him? I, who detest horses, as is well known. 


PASIAS

    I call Zeus to witness, that you swore by the gods to return them to me. 


STREPSIADES

    Because at that time, by Zeus! Phidippides did not yet know the irrefutable argument. 


PASIAS

    Would you deny the debt on that account? 


STREPSIADES

    If not, what use is his science to me? 


PASIAS

    Will you dare to swear by the gods that you owe me nothing?


STREPSIADES

    By which gods? 


PASIAS

    By Zeus, Hermes and Posidon! 


STREPSIADES

    Why, I would give three obols for the pleasure of swearing by them. 


PASIAS

    Woe upon you, impudent knave! 


STREPSIADES

    Oh! what a fine wine-skin you would make if flayed!


PASIAS

    Heaven! he jeers at me! 


STREPSIADES

    It would hold six gallons easily. 


PASIAS

    By great Zeus! by all the gods! you shall not scoff at me with impunity, 


STREPSIADES

    Ah! how you amuse me with your gods! how ridiculous it seems to a sage to hear Zeus invoked. 


PASIAS

    Your blasphemies will one day meet their reward. But, come, will you repay me my money, yes or no? Answer me, that I may go.


STREPSIADES

    Wait a moment, I am going to give you a distinct answer. (He goes indoors and returns immediately with a kneading-trough.)


PASIAS

    (to the WITNESS) What do you think he will do? Do you think he will pay? 


STREPSIADES

    Where is the man who demands money? Tell me, what is this? 


PASIAS

    Him? Why, he is your kneading-trough. 


STREPSIADES

    And you dare to demand money of me, when you are so ignorant? I will not return an obolus to anyone who says him instead of her for a kneading-trough. 


PASIAS

    You will not repay? 


STREPSIADES

    Not if I know it. Come, an end to this, pack off as quick as you can. 


PASIAS

    I go, but, may I die, if it be not to pay my deposit for a summons. (Exit) 


STREPSIADES

    Very well! It will be so much more loss to add to the twelve minae. But truly it makes me sad, for I do pity a poor simpleton who says him for a kneading-trough (Another creditor arrives.)


AMYNIAS

    Woe! ah woe is me! 


STREPSIADES

    Wait! who is this whining fellow? Can it be one of the gods of Carcinus? 


AMYNIAS

    Do you want to know who I am? I am a man of misfortune!


STREPSIADES

    Get on your way then. 


AMYNIAS

    (in tragic style) Oh! cruel god! Oh Fate, who hast broken the wheels of my chariot! Oh, Pallas, thou hast undone me!


STREPSIADES

    What ill has Tlepolemus done you? 


AMYNIAS

    Instead of jeering me, friend, make your son return me the money he has had of me; I am already unfortunate enough.


STREPSIADES

    What money? 


AMYNIAS

    The money he borrowed of me. 


STREPSIADES

    You have indeed had misfortune, it seems to me.


AMYNIAS

    Yes, by the gods! I have been thrown from a chariot.


STREPSIADES

    Why then drivel as if you had fallen off an ass?


AMYNIAS

    Am I drivelling because I demand my money? 


STREPSIADES

    No, no, you cannot be in your right senses.


AMYNIAS

    Why? 


STREPSIADES

    No doubt your poor wits have had a shake. 


AMYNIAS

    But by Hermes! I will sue you at law, if you do not pay me.


STREPSIADES

    Just tell me; do you think it is always fresh water that Zeus lets fall every time it rains, or is ill always the same water that the sun pumps over the earth? 


AMYNIAS

    I neither know, nor care. 


STREPSIADES

    And actually you would claim the right to demand your money, when you know not an iota of these celestial phenomena?


AMYNIAS

    If you are short, pay me the interest anyway. 


STREPSIADES

    What kind of animal is interest? 


AMYNIAS

    What? Does not the sum borrowed go on growing, growing every month, each day as the time slips by? 


STREPSIADES

    Well put. But do you believe there is more water in the sea now than there was formerly? 


AMYNIAS

    No, it's just the same quantity. It cannot increase.


STREPSIADES

    Thus, poor fool, the sea, that receives the rivers, never grows, and yet you would have your money grow? Get you gone, away with you, quick! Slave! bring me the ox-goad! 


AMYNIAS

    I have witnesses to this. 


STREPSIADES

    Come, what are you waiting for? Will you not budge, old nag! 


AMYNIAS

    What an insult! 


STREPSIADES

    Unless you start trotting, I shall catch you and stick this in your arse, you sorry packhorse! (AMYNIAS runs off.) Ah! you start, do you? I was about to drive you pretty fast, I tell you-you and your wheels and your chariot! (He enters his house.)


CHORUS

    (singing) Whither does the passion of evil lead! here is a perverse old man, who wants to cheat his creditors; but some mishap, which will speedily punish this rogue for his shameful schemings, cannot fail to overtake him from to-day. For a long time he has been burning to have his son know how to fight against all justice and right and to gain even the most iniquitous causes against his adversaries every one. I think this wish is going to be fulfilled. But mayhap, mayhap, will he soon wish his son were dumb rather! 


STREPSIADES

    (rushing out With PHIDIPPIDES after him) Oh! oh! neighbours, kinsmen, fellow-citizens, help! help! to the rescue, I am being beaten! Oh! my head! oh! my jaw! Scoundrel! Do you beat your own father?


PHIDIPPIDES

    (calmly) Yes, father, I do. 


STREPSIADES

    See! he admits he is beating me. 


PHIDIPPIDES

    Of course I do. 


STREPSIADES

    You villain, you parricide, you gallows-bird!


PHIDIPPIDES

    Go on, repeat your epithets, call me a thousand other names, if it please you. The more you curse, the greater my amusement!


STREPSIADES

    Oh! you ditch-arsed cynic! 


PHIDIPPIDES

    How fragrant the perfume breathed forth in your words.


STREPSIADES

    Do you beat your own father? 


PHIDIPPIDES

    Yes, by Zeus! and I am going to show you that I do right in beating you. 


STREPSIADES

    Oh, wretch! can it be right to beat a father?


PHIDIPPIDES

    I will prove it to you, and you shall own yourself vanquished.


STREPSIADES

    Own myself vanquished on a point like this?


PHIDIPPIDES

    It's the easiest thing in the world. Choose whichever of the two reasonings you like. 


STREPSIADES

    Of which reasonings? 


PHIDIPPIDES

    The Stronger and the Weaker. 


STREPSIADES

    Miserable fellow! Why, I am the one who had you taught how to refute what is right. and now you would persuade me it is right a son should beat his father. 


PHIDIPPIDES

    I think I shall convince you so thoroughly that, when you have heard me, you will not have a word to say. 


STREPSIADES

    Well, I am curious to hear what you have to say.


CHORUS

    (singing) Consider well, old man, how you can best triumph over him. His brazenness shows me that he thinks himself sure of his case; he has some argument which gives him nerve. Note the confidence in his look! 


LEADER OF THE CHORUS

    But how did the fight begin? tell the Chorus; you cannot help doing that much. 


STREPSIADES

    I will tell you what was the start of the quarrel. At the end of the meal, as you know, I bade him take his lyre and sing me the air of Simonides, which tells of the fleece of the ram. He replied bluntly, that it was stupid, while drinking, to play the lyre and sing, like a woman when she is grinding barley. 


PHIDIPPIDES

    Why, by rights I ought to have beaten and kicked you the very moment you told me to sing. 


STREPSIADES

    That is just how he spoke to me in the house, furthermore he added, that Simonides was a detestable poet. However, I mastered myself and for a while said nothing. Then I said to him, 'At least, take a myrtle branch and recite a passage from Aeschylus to me.'-'For my own part,' he at once replied, 'I look upon Aeschylus as the first of poets, for his verses roll superbly; they're nothing but incoherence, bombast and turgidity.' Yet still I smothered my wrath and said, 'Then recite one of the famous pieces from the modern poets.' Then he commenced a piece in which Euripides shows, oh! horror! a brother, who violates his own uterine sister. Then I could not longer restrain myself, and attacked him with the most injurious abuse; naturally he retorted; hard words were hurled on both sides, and finally he sprang at me, broke my bones, bore me to earth, strangled and started killing me!


PHIDIPPIDES

    I was right. What! not praise Euripides, the greatest of our poets? 


STREPSIADES

    He the greatest of our poets? Ah! if I but dared to speak! but the blows would rain upon me harder than ever. 


PHIDIPPIDES

    Undoubtedly and rightly too. 


STREPSIADES

    Rightly! Oh! what impudence! to me, who brought you up! when you could hardly lisp, I guessed what you wanted. If you said broo, broo, well, I brought you your milk; if you asked for mam mam, I gave you bread; and you had no sooner said, caca, than I took you outside and held you out. And just now, when you were strangling me, I shouted, I bellowed that I was about to crap; and you, you scoundrel, had not the heart to take me outside, so that, though almost choking, I was compelled to do my crapping right there. 


CHORUS

    (singing) Young men, your hearts must be panting with impatience. What is Phidippides going to say? If, after such conduct, he proves he has done well, I would not give an obolus for the hide of old men.


LEADER OF THE CHORUS

    Come, you, who know how to brandish and hurl the keen shafts of the new science, find a way to convince us, give your language an appearance of truth. 


PHIDIPPIDES

    How pleasant it is to know these clever new inventions and to be able to defy the established laws! When I thought only about horses, I was not able to string three words together without a mistake, but now that the master has altered and improved me and that I live in this world of subtle thought, of reasoning and of meditation, I count on being able to prove satisfactorily that I have done well to thrash my father. 


STREPSIADES

    Mount your horse! By Zeus! I would rather defray the keep of a four-in-hand team than be battered with blows.


PHIDIPPIDES

    I revert to what I was saying when you interrupted me. And first, answer me, did you beat me in my childhood? 


STREPSIADES

    Why, assuredly, for your good and in your own best interest.


PHIDIPPIDES

    Tell me, is it not right, that in turn I should beat you for your good, since it is for a man's own best interest to be beaten? What! must your body be free of blows, and not mine? am I not free-born too? the children are to weep and the fathers go free? You will tell me, that according to the law, it is the lot of children to be beaten. But I reply that the old men are children twice over and that it is far more fitting to chastise them than the young, for there is less excuse for their faults. 


STREPSIADES

    But the law nowhere admits that fathers should be treated thus. 


PHIDIPPIDES

    Was not the legislator who carried this law a man like you and me? In those days be got men to believe him; then why should not I too have the right to establish for the future a new law, allowing children to beat their fathers in turn? We make you a present of all the blows which were received before his law, and admit that you thrashed us with impunity. But look how the cocks and other animals fight with their fathers; and yet what difference is there betwixt them and ourselves, unless it be that they do not propose decrees? 


STREPSIADES

    But if you imitate the cocks in all things, why don't you scratch up the dunghill, why don't you sleep on a perch?


PHIDIPPIDES

    That has no bearing on the case, good sir; Socrates would find no connection, I assure you. 


STREPSIADES

    Then do not beat at all, for otherwise you have only yourself to blame afterwards. 


PHIDIPPIDES

    What for? 


STREPSIADES

    I have the right to chastise you, and you to chastise your son, if you have one. 


PHIDIPPIDES

    And if I have not, I shall have cried in vain, and you will die laughing in my face. 


STREPSIADES

    What say you, all here present? It seems to me that he is right, and I am of opinion that they should be accorded their right. If we think wrongly, it is but just we should be beaten.


PHIDIPPIDES

    Again, consider this other point. 


STREPSIADES

    It will be the death of me. 


PHIDIPPIDES

    But you will certainly feel no more anger because of the blows I have given you. 


STREPSIADES

    Come, show me what profit I shall gain from it.


PHIDIPPIDES

    I shall beat my mother just as I have you. 


STREPSIADES

    What do you say? what's that you say? Hah! this is far worse still. 


PHIDIPPIDES

    And what if I prove to you by our school reasoning, that one ought to beat one's mother? 


STREPSIADES

    Ah! if you do that, then you will only have to throw yourself, along with Socrates and his reasoning, into the Barathrum. Oh! Clouds! all our troubles emanate from you, from you, to whom I entrusted myself, body and soul. 


LEADER OF THE CHORUS

    No, you alone are the cause, because you have pursued the path of evil. 


STREPSIADES

    Why did you not say so then, instead of egging on a poor ignorant old man? 


LEADER OF THE CHORUS

    We always act thus, when we see a man conceive a passion for what is evil; we strike him with some terrible disgrace, so that he may learn to fear the gods. 


STREPSIADES

    Alas! oh Clouds! that's hard indeed, but it's just! I ought not to have cheated my creditors....But come, my dear son, come with me to take vengeance on this wretched Chaerephon and on Socrates, who have deceived us both. 


PHIDIPPIDES

    I shall do nothing against our masters. 


STREPSIADES

    Oh show some reverence for ancestral Zeus! 


PHIDIPPIDES

    Mark him and his ancestral Zeus! What a fool you are! Does any such being as Zeus exist? 


STREPSIADES

    Why, assuredly. 


PHIDIPPIDES

    No, a thousand times no! The ruler of the world is the Whirlwind, that has unseated Zeus. 


STREPSIADES

    He has not dethroned him. I believed it, because of this whirligig here. Unhappy wretch that I am! I have taken a piece of clay to be a god. 


PHIDIPPIDES

    Very well! Keep your stupid nonsense for your own consumption. (He goes back into STREPSIADES' house.) 


STREPSIADES

    Oh! what madness! I had lost my reason when I threw over the gods through Socrates' seductive phrases. (Addressing the statue of Hermes) Oh! good Hermes, do not destroy me in your wrath. Forgive me; their babbling had driven me crazy. Be my counselor. Shall I pursue them at law or shall I....? Order and I obey.-You are right, no law-suit; but up! let us burn down the home of those praters. Here, Xanthias, here! take a ladder, come forth and arm yourself with an axe; now mount upon the Thoughtery, demolish the roof, if you love your master, and may the house fall in upon them. Ho! bring me a blazing torch! There is more than one of them, arch-impostors as they are, on whom I am determined to have vengeance. 


A DISCIPLE

    (from within) Oh! oh! 


STREPSIADES

    Come, torch, do your duty! Burst into full flame!


DISCIPLE

    What are you up to? 


STREPSIADES

    What am I up to? Why, I am entering upon a subtle argument with the beams of the house. 


SECOND DISCIPLE

    (from within) Hullo! hullo who is burning down our house? 


STREPSIADES

    The man whose cloak you have appropriated. 


SECOND DISCIPLE

    You are killing us! 


STREPSIADES

    That is just exactly what I hope, unless my axe plays me false, or I fall and break my neck. 


SOCRATES

    (appearing at the window) Hi! you fellow on the roof, what are you doing up there? 


STREPSIADES

    (mocking SOCRATES' manner) I am traversing the air and contemplating the sun. 


SOCRATES

    Ah! ah! woe is upon me! I am suffocating! 


SECOND DISCIPLE

    And I, alas, shall be burnt up! 


STREPSIADES

    Ah! you insulted the gods! You studied the face of the moon! Chase them, strike and beat them down! Forward! they have richly deserved their fate-above all, by reason of their blasphemies.


LEADER OF THE CHORUS

    So let the Chorus file off the stage. Its part is played.

media figures called to trump towers admonished say it was like firing squad… they expected gifts lol
imagine a guy walking in front of a firing squad saying "this is like a Trump meeting

people gonna say this is fascist but there’s no fascism in disciplining filthy rich media liars living off the backs of thousands of thousands suffering… they would get firing squad in nations that pay them but they have no idea how privileged they are and how shitty.

mofucking newyork times worse than cancer. you dont even need a diagnosis to have the news corrupt you.

beforethelight.forumotion.com/t7 … -fantasies

there. leaving Cruxer out of this.
My goddamn back.

Update.

Pezer is in Venezuela, no doubt heavily scheming.

Trump won.

no further changes to report.

"I propose that slave morality be understood as consciousness disconnecting from the organisms self-valuing. A being can no longer rely, in its actions of acquisition of power, on what it is – it is forced to re-determine what it is in terms of the lack, the gap left by the removal of its self-valuation. Since a gap has no content, the identification is shifted to that which has caused the gap, the enemy. A moral slave determines itself in terms of what it hates, by positing itself as not-that. It posits, or attempts to posit, a self-value by establishing a sense of power over the entity that it blames for the loss of its self-value.

As it is still exerting its will to power, it still operates as an entity, a subject, so it is in fact still grounded in a self-valuing. What has been lost is the connection between self-valuing and consciousness. Consciousness has detached from nature, what results can be described as disintegration of value. As long as slave-morality persists, as the unconsciously self-valuing entity persists in its behavior of willing to power on the terms of another entity, as it tries to establish a conscious self-valuing as the negative of what it perceives as powerful (but evil), it operates directly against its natural, innate self-valuing, and this must result in decay.

I think that slave morality can not be inherited, that every new-born being has a master-morality, by which I mean that its consciousness is rooted in a self-valuing. (For example, the mother is valued in terms of the self, that is why we have the Freudian complex of interpreting the mother / parent as the self).

By the genetic passing-on and cultural / physical sustainment of forms of weakness / unhealth, it becomes more likely that a conscious being strays into slave-morality. If the being is both physically unhealthy and immersed in a culture where slave-morality is the norm, it is likely that it abandons its “child-like” master-morality and becomes a value-decaying, alike to its cultural environment. I think of the modern Islamic world, which morality is rooted in the rejection of the west (not to say that the west presently holds a master morality, but it serves as the standard of hated enemy by rejecting of which the morality is largely defined). Breaking out of this cycle, “salvation” could only occur through impulses of a freshly, life affirming nature such as is operative in children.

It seems likely that the teachings of Jesus Christ (whether this is only a metaphorical figure or if he really lived is not important) were aimed to remedy a similar condition operative in the Jews under Roman oppression – a re-establishment of self-valuing by taking on a infant-like perspective. “Render unto Caesar what is his” – his value – have for yourself what is yours – your value: “divinity” –i.e. your self-valuing

Nietzsche had good reason to say that the last Christian died on the cross, because much of Christianity as a culture was a continuation of the self-denying/ignoring against which a “spiritual rebirth” was proposed a remedy. It continued to focus on the enemy, on Evil, even if it politically overcame all enemies, and succeeded so in including in this negativity-standard against which it set its efforts, the things that naturally sustain positive valuing – beauty, strength, pleasure, the ‘good things in life’.

It seems that ultimately such a reverse valuing must come to an end, as the acting consciousness of resentment erodes the unconscious self-valuing on wich it rests to such a point that it can no longer be sustained. Physical reserves are exhausted, the psychological driving force is no longer sustained sufficiently to act aggressively-destructively, the active anti-ethics are no longer possible, nihilism is the result. Depending on the circumstances in wich the organism finds itself, this may lead to, in natural, nurturing conditions of culture, a gradual recovery of natural, positive valuation, conscious self-valuation, master morality – in less favorable circumstances, death seems the only outcome.

Now the will to power is dependent on self-valuing (the standard-setting interpreted as the root/ground of the subject), so where self-valuing is sabotaged by consciousness, as is the case where slave-morality takes hold, will to power remains operative only until it exhausts its resources, it wills the entity to death. The energy is transferred to vital subjects / structures. In such a case the will to power is not aimed at power of the subject, but rather at a transferring of power from the subject. The subject wills himself

Can the will of an entity possessed of a slave morality still be called a will to power? Can it still be called a will? What is more, can we still speak an entity? I think that the answer is: only in as far as it is unconscious. And this makes it clear how (and that, which is a departure from Nietzsches “all is blood” dogma) we may begin to dispel slave-morality" -

Yes, this is a plausible explanation. Also in combination with the examples you give later on, this calls to mind the fact that the lower functions of the organism are not what one would necessarily call conscious. Eating, drinking and sexuality are in fact means to engage in a state of being where consciousness can be suspended. In these states, it is possible, even with a completely defective morality/mentality, to life as a self-valuing. And we see that such activities are in fact often considered as the highest goods by such automatons.

It seems to be very difficult. Recently I’ve been attending a few museum- and gallery openings, where of course the art was post-modern in nature, and I am consistently appalled by the dry-ness of the objects on display. These seems to be no sap in them whatsoever. As hard as one tries to value what is placed in the space that has come into our field of consciousness as forbidding subjective/positive/affective valuation, what one values is ones own interest, ones own brave efforts to ‘make sense’ out of nothing. This is perhaps what is most admirable about out present art-scene – the critics. They, when neither the artist nor the passive audience is capable, are the ones who give, bestow meaning. In them we perceive that not all is lost, that there is still a will to value-as-self-value.

Postmodern art comes very often in the form of ‘criticism of society’, which to me is a lower form of criticism, a more resentful, judgmental, pathetic form than the criticism of the artwork that is the criticism. Perhaps through this by-way, criticism of criticism, valuation finds a way to be possible in the context of art.

We agree, environment is very likely the greatest influence here, but it is indeed thinkable that there is a genetic derangement possible, where people are born without the tendency to self-value. That the miracle/accidental genius of the code of self-valuing is undone by an enduring onslaught of dissociative permutations.

I feel that this is true. In a sense, philosophers have to become “actors” – we must not only be communicators, but also examples. How different this is from Kant, Schopenhauer, Nietzsche – we can simply not permit going insane (at least not finding our end as such), or isolating completely from all social realms – as much as these realms “suck” in more than one meaning of the word, they suck because there are no true signifiers.

But the point is of course that there should be a kind of small multitude of such “Christs”, which means that we may have to do the work of making it possible to become such a figure. Possibly there are parallel processes, in ways similar to this one, in other parts of the world, where the cultivation of an attainable master morality is in progress. But we must take seriously the notion of spreading this idea in several forms, accessible to different minds, and inspiring to action.

Yes!
Perhaps here we may begin to speak concretely of isometries.

Let us not begin by opposing, but by proposing.
Opposition breeds too much rebelling, too much stubbornness.
We must propose new means at conscious willing, for which indeed notions pertaining to “isometries of the soul” as they exist between humans may be necessary.

Indeed, it is crucial to realize that time has progressed, that circumstances are more favorable. Nihilism is unable to do this, so is pessimism, and these two account for the great majority of thinkers these days. It is true that there is much foulness and danger in our time, but this only overshadows the surplus value when this value is not ‘capitalized’ on. And nihilism/pessimism prevent from capitalizing – in short, power is left for those without a social conscience, because power is regarded as corrupting. A more dangerous belief than “power corrupts” is hardly thinkable. In fact, real power (not an automatons place in the hierarchy of a machine) cultivates responsibility.

Death, or a constant ever-present decaying that never quite leads to death. A stasis of decay and destitution, perhaps. This would be a relative loss of almost all emotional and conscious potency, imagining, will, and the adoption of a more mechanical and closed pathos that literally drowns itself in distraction and mindless, soul-less work. Corporate CEO’s come to mind here, as does the typical wage-slave worker who goes every day to the factory, mindlessly performs the same tasks without feeling or hope, and returns home to drink himself into a stupor or turn off to TV or other useful distractions, only to repeat this cycle without end or fail. This sort would be an example where a relative stasis has been attained, self-valuation perhaps cannot realisticaly sink any lower, or rather the separation between self-valuings and consciousness cannot get any larger, so the body-mind effects a certain ‘balance’, this gap rests on the relative consistency of one’s life-situations and the lack of anything which might shake or disrupt this stagnant consistency.
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Another useful insight, applying value-ontology to understand the dire state of things we seek to improve. The subconscious self-valuing persists on an animal/reptile level, the superior faculties of awareness are exhausted, sabotaged, or put to use against the interests of the entity.

This is an extremely interesting suggestion.
We might do well to put some work in developing such programs conceptually.

Ah yes, I was going to say “The subject wills himself into oblivion” but actually meant to erase the entire phrase, because it presents some un-clarities.

Exactly. The difference between “stealing” / isolating power versus investing / sharing-reaping power is made clearer.

Let us work on this angle, vis a vis the idea of communicating value-ontology on different levels, besides directly/conceptually also indirectly/symbolically.

"a comment on the occupy movement as (yet) dominated / signified by slave-morality, but representing desire for a master-morality. Taken from here.


The problem the Occupy movement is facing is a classical case of slave-morality versus master-morality.
Holding a slave-morality means to not have ones natural self-valuing produce a conscious notion of self-value self-value. It means to adopt a conscious self-value by the negative valuation of the/an Other.

The Occupy movement has a lot of vitality and good will, but is not able to formulate its values beyond “away with the evil X”. It is not able to posit a value in its stead. It does not have its own value, for its value it is entirely dependent on the thing it is protesting against. As long as this is the case, it will have no effect, it could not possibly have an effect.

There is of course a lot of self-valuing going on within the movement, i.e. people, organisms. But all these are subjecting themselves to what is, thusfar, a slave-revolt. Nothing wrong with a slave revolt, but it will not see any of its demands realized if these demands are not formulated as positives, meaning formula’s capable of replacing the “evil” ones.

This is the finest tip of the iceberg of what can be said of Occupy in terms of value-ontology. The bulk of it would come down to actually formulate a (possible) philosophy for it, to forge it into a “Master Signifier” - an authentic, original voice. Of course value-ontology pertains quite acutely to the financial world and what is wrong with it. To begin with, all of the disasters and exorbitant payments to the masters of these disasters, are based on disregarding, or rather violating, the concept of value. In short: speculative value has replaced functional value. That which is of value to value-determining institutions (Moody’s, etc) does not have anything whatsoever to do to what is of value to a human.

Value needs to be restored in its definition. The speculative market will have to be dramatically curbed and reformed, rationalized. Without joking, we now have the tools to do this. A thorough understanding of the concept value was lacking. This is how it could be diffused through focusing on very conditional/context bound derivatives as if they are the actual concept, thereby gradually disconnecting the notion value from its conceptual root, which is actual, real-world value, i.e. that which is valuable to (a) (human) life.

This is where the Occupy movement may look for its signifier (instead of bloody-faced idiotic grins) - to collect/assemble around it those things which are of real value to the participating people. To create/build a “mountain of wealth” in human terms – that is to say not hummers, prostitutes and dollar bills, but – the diversity of real-world value coming together wherever many people are assembled for a long time, which translates into ‘culture’." [src]

is this true?

“Science must have originated in the feeling that something was wrong.” (Thomas Carlyle)

I worked on a bit on this here.
I wrote the following:

Leaving behind us (behind me at least) now the de debate over whether or not value ontology holds water / is “superior” to the will to power, on to an indication of its uses. For this I introduce this topic:

“Science must have originated in the feeling that something was wrong.” (Thomas Carlyle)

If this is so, and this is no rock solid fact, but at the least a tempting thought, scientific thought would be the result of a valuing the world negatively in terms of self-value. To realize this is of course useful. It gives us the suggestion that science, if we do not radically deviate from our approach to it, and question the nature of its analyses, will keep on trying to negate, which means level.

Science does not permit inequality. Its logics are based on standardizing al value. What remains is value that van be standardized against the ground-value of science, which is not mans self-valuing per se. Science after all arose out of the minds who had to arm against nature, not in those who were “fit to it”.

Philosophy, this is at least the tast that I see now as possible, would have to bestow a new, affirmative morality onto science. Science may, as further understanding into in the future be employed to invest in the world as it is (grows, becomes, emerges, stands forth), instead of trying to subdue this becoming.

A further study of the theme Nietzsche opens with, in the Birth of Tragedy, would be useful. Because the Greeks, in creating Apollo / the Apollonian did the same thing as what the scientist / inventor does - arming against the terribleness of nature – but they did so by positing their own aesthetics against it, rather than to simply submit their judgment of nature to what was possible as a functionality of dominion. In other words, they created something that they could value higher in terms of self value, than they could value nature herself.

This is the genius of the Greeks, their noble genius, set against what must have arisen as the all-too-human genius which Carlyle describes. We must look at this dichotomy, science versus the Apollonian, to recognize in our own culture these two different types of valuing, for they both exist next to / intertwined into each other. In order to ‘heal’ our culture, to truly improve it, we have to make it possible first to distinguish what is Greek, and what is, in short, “nature-hating-ape”."

"From Nietzsche’s Nachlass, summer 1872-begin 1873:

“We are not concerned with a destruction of science, but with controlling it. She is in all here goals and methods through and through dependent on philosophical perspectives, but forgets this easily. The controlling philosophy must concern itself with the problem to which degree science may grow, she must determine the worth.”

"Proof of the barbarizing workings of the sciences. They lose themselves in the service of “practical interests”.

Capable:

I think this forumulation must be for the most part a correct one. Science digs in where it sees need for imroved understanding, it addresses reality in terms of “problems”, sees every situation as a problem as such, a problem of thus-far unrealized knowledge-utility. Over time this problematizing becomes so given that we do not even see it, it becomes entirely normal to look at reality and the situations in reality with which we find ourselves confronted and see these problematically, as things to be “negated” (“solved”), at least in part.

Sinec this solving takes place with respect to the platforms which have come before and over-determine the methodologies and intentions involved, we can indeed state that this negation is also a leveling.

Absolutely! Heidegger does a wonderful job outlining the “nature of technology” as schematization/control/leveling, an essential closure-ing (that is also nonetheless and often despite itself a disclosing of precisely the ‘human element’, if we know how to look for this). As Nietzsche also understood, science (or, with Heidegger, technos) needs to be submitted to a broader encompassing human will (valuing), and the extent to which we fail in this task is the extent we are co-opted by these processes and subdued within them, over-determined by their own logics and functionalities. Man developed as a product of these, this is very true, we are as much a product of technology-science as technology-science is of us. Yet at some point we must rise and take control, assert our own HUMAN will against the essentially inhuman will governing science/techos and its productions.

Yes this is plausible. In “arming ourselves against nature” we posit “otherness” as the threat of raw uncontrolled nature as the higher value, the only thing above which is our ability for resisting this uncontrollability. Science continues to operate on the assumption that endless control of nature is ideal, to not have essential control is ruin.

Some control is of course required, as goes without saying, since man itself is indeed a controlling-nature, in large part. This is what we ARE as a species, a being. But what else resides within, what other potentials exist? As you say we cannot continue to posit values only negatively, against the other, what are needed now are affirmative, positive valuations. The negative valuations of the past may form part of our platform going forward into the future, and indeed these essentially closed forms are necessary for what is build upon and after them, in the same way that our own imaginative-creative thinking is dependent on the regular and entirely restrictive-closed organic-biological processes composing our physical body.

Yes, but even the Greeks posited from an essentially negative position when they proposed aesthetic “solutions” (Gods) to the fury of nature (and of human nature, their internal experiences of affects-desires-drives). If viewed in this way we first see what appears as a digression from Greek to scientist. But this must also represent a progression, an evolving: the valuing negatively with respect to and against “nature” (uncontrollability/unknowability as such, externally and internally) moving from an early stage to a later stage. I can see science as representing very much a more “authentic” or honest negative valuing, the Greek form of this negative valuing being an early pre-cursor or crude beginning positing form, less refined, less “itself”. Science becomes a monster precisely because it takes the internal “contradiction” (to affirmative valuation as self-value, i.e. this contradiction being the negative valuing supplanting a more affirmative valuing potential) and exposes it, welcomes it openly, develops it further and brings it more fully in/to itself.

You are right we must learn to distinguish the Greek from the scientist – in this distinction we can find a relief, a topography emerges wherein we begin to grasp precisely what it is about these valuing positings that is so detrimental and restrictive, so harmfully self-destructive. Of course if we employ Hegel here, it might indeed be possible that mankind must move through these stages dialectically in order to emerge at the other side, the inverse of all negative values-positing. In the present stage we then must work at forging the synthesis. [src]

Capable:

Value-ontology might show us a pathway through the winding, twisting sinew-like birthings of straying and new identities of forms – and as we shall see, a point of arrival at Heidegger also marks the point of our next departure. What links derivations of difference to derivations of sameness? One emerges from the other in sequential patterns, as ideas give birth to precisely their own novelty-in-thought where pursued diligently to (an) end. This novelty emerges as an Identity to itself, being a fully-formed (completely derived) with respect to its incipient foregrounds. This ‘with respect’ extends into whatever merges into/alongside/with these foregrounds, and decreases to an comparable extent as does this element of association. Being an Identity, or a ‘count-as-one’ to employ Badiou, this emergence confounds exegesis and disseminates haphazardly on the basis thereof. To be sure, mechanisms exist which seek and succeed at limiting or outright blocking this dissemination. Analysis now raises to a new level, the level of meta-exegetical concerns which subordinates analysis to analysis-as-utility. This ‘as-utility’ is more properly defined by its “as-utility-for” which first falls within the purview of systems-management and containment-as-closure. This is containment as control. To the extent that methods of control have been raised out of the unconscious and into consciousness a lessening of the strictures of this closure may occur, where disseminated implications of identities are allowed increased freedom of movement to alter and set their own trajectories. It seems at about the point where this movement reaches a sufficient auto-regulating-as-utility-to-analyses that a new threshold of thinking emerges, a new possibility for a new sort of thought-engendering.

It is here where isometries begin to be seen. We get glimpses of strange samenesses of form lurking beneath outward appearances, we are told these are archetypes or some reference is made to genetics or to common cohort-like effects. What is really going on here? To what extent can we state that creation dictates form if we merely fill in our own perhaps largely arbitrary contents upon always and everywhere prescribed forms? This quickly appears as the relative impotency of creatiion, which has yet to extend its influence into the more form-al. A certain condition of this extension clearly being a growing unwillingness for influence-qua-content, for influencing and being influenced by content/s. At an even higher peak threshold this unwillingness becomes inability, blindness. Even higher still, a willing blindness. Zarathustra stood on the mountain top and willed form, but he did not will UNDER form – his willing was not itself a form. Even Zarathustra still willed under content, as a content/s, making use of possibility rather than making of use itself a new possibility as such.

Valuing might shed light here. What is the hand-rail along this pathway that winds and climbs up from the soul of whence to the soul of when to the soul of where-fore? Is the substance of this hand-railing composed of valuations and valuings? Here novelty seemingly aporiatic results from this insertion and we get what seems to be a new identity, a new count-as-one, incomprehensible, impenetrable even here. Even here, value is the ground from which ever-new questions and questionings spring. Heidegger’s “Man is a question” might be as close as we come to a filled-in content-qua-abstraction, but value gives us the form after which we follow these contents questioningly.

It would appear we can ground the isometries of the soul in a values-ontological platform. Set therein we see these isometrical configurations as the still too silent guardians of our valuations, configurations which enable values and the valuings which produce them, isometrical as allows for the possible communication and transmission of these and their conditions from one level to another as well as from one individual to another. We might therefore make even the boldest claim and leap yet: that of isometry being the form-as-such of valuation, its most sufficient (self-)actualization. Does this make sense? Concerns here seem placated when we understand how self-valuing interact, how these valuings must co-occur to be said to have occurred at all. Herein opens forth a new space, unexplored and uncharted. Yet it seems, and even necessarily so, that we nonetheless already possess a certain familiarity with this space, itself still so alien to our consciousnesses! And is this not more precisely what Heidegger was reaching for with his notions of averge-everydayness, ontical proximity and the pre-ontological understanding of being? The point of further productive departure here, the way to continue forward seems to be a further analysis of Heidegger’s meanings and terms/grammars from the position of a value-ontological perspective sufficiently configured so as to include essentially its own isometric conditions of possibility.

Fixed Cross:

Here the next necessary step has been identified. It rises from the proper identification of the locus to which the first step, of formulating / understanding value-ontology, has brought us – the aporia of completely renewed / stripped naked awareness of what existing means to a conscious being. We can no longer take consciousness as the thing that separates us from the non-rational, the animals and the stones, but we now see it, and with it ourselves, in a much sharper light, which illuminates us-as-consciousness, as still infant-like, as a seeming chaos of affects, with as the only consistency this one given, our valuing activity.

Where before, superstition gave us a sense of inner order, now we have the clear perception of an inner turmoil, revolving around itself much like the activities in an atmosphere, unpredictable and too complex to be rational in its interrelating, but to which self-valuing is the Earth and Sun, by which certain revolvings much of the weather-at-large can be predicted

Identifying/creating isometries to the rudimentary cause of these pre-rational conditions to which even our use of rationality must be counted, means creating a grid by which the axiom of self-valuing can be procreated, furthered as a logic, expanded while maintaining its structural integrity.

I propose that the notion of circularity / periodicality must be central to any such isometry. Thereby I mean that no entity may exist as a “block”, with a number of “facets” but always as a coming-back-to-itself, whereby on every cyclus “it” may have acquired new contacts and therewith substance.

It is not a sign of weakness that much of what will be formulated will sound familiar, refer to aspects of known mathematics, physics, common sense, mysticism, perhaps even all other fields of thought, as what we are doing is newly arranging what is already known / been observed. We may be the first to attempt to logically systematize in a fluid, non-exclusivist way. Indeed it would be wise to look at what Heidegger has already done. He did not yet propose such an order as is made possible by value-ontology, but he did outline the conditions of this new type of logic, so much greater in scope and more benevolent to man / nature than the binary method of definition by exclusion.

All is included. But how can we understand this myriad of contradictions, as one system? The key to this is given, the turning of it is requires that we formulate isometries, and establish a grid wherein this particular type of sameness can be reproduced.

Capable:

Additional related commentary:

Fixed Cross: It just occurred to me how fast and uniform things would go if time were in fact linear. It occurred to me that time is obviously spiraling, periodic. It moves “forward” in two directions at once: the curve of the spiral itself, and the consecutive levels of periodicity. Synchronicity then means that occurrences in the two levels of progressions are at positive interference with each other , due to —

This then would be the way to further enlightenment: to find ones own periodicity. It is perhaps here that we maky speak of isometries of the soul.

Capable: I have heard somewhere before of how it is possible to learn one’s own “periodicity” with respect to creative-productive energy, positive vs negative flows or cycles of mood and intellect. What you posit creates a possible rational basis for this idea.

Might we perhaps understand the curved nature of the ‘forward’ progression in the sense of this motion’s impossibility for being totally linear? Linearity would seem to imply a flat medium/space, which appears never to be the case. So we get non-linearity as the possibility for motion, on even (and especially) the “smallest”, most micro levels. Thus: curved traces, arcs cutting through “mediumistic space” (whatever happens to be that through which this particular or other movement moves) that would tend, after the manner of attraction/will to power/self-valuing (however we might conceptualize here), to organize around each other, forming arcs or loops.

What is most interesting to me, then, based on this model, is to try and see how such activity becomes circular, spiraling. As this seems to allow for an augmenting of the influence/s of that particular motion, maybe a simple evolutionary selective principle fills the gap here?

Fixed Cross:

In general this is how I tend to interpret origins in the logic of causality, but it just occurs to me perhaps the very notion of linearity is misplaced, by its application of it to the physical world. Parallel with overcoming the belief that the Earth is flat, we may be headed towards overcoming the idea that linearity exists at all.

Every straight line is a segment of an ellipse, an energy-path (energy may have to be defined as a path, instead of a quantity-form following a path, being now here then there ). Any lineair demarcation of the wold seen as an uprooting of the physical world into a non-physical paradigm upheld only by learning of certain codes, methods. Linearity not as metaphysical, which I take to mean an unconditional definition, an astracted essence, but actually anti-physical, antithetical to ‘nature’, being.

How science cuts into life; blindly. Why it is always fundamentally wrong in predicting its effects, why the “side effects” are aways at least as significant as what is deliberately attained. There is not yet an experience of precision, the general method of science is a blunt instrument, designed to cut off, to uproot, to detach from self-valuing and submit. It is therefore a means to misunderstand, to remove understanding from the utilized, to dis-identify with the course of flux in which the object arises.

It is a powerful means - but to what? The notion of linearity has made it possible to dislocate self-valuing, to eliminate being.
If we know this, then we have a criterium to set a limit to what science may offer us – the elimination of space-time.
As Aldous Huxley observed in a psychedelic vision, “speed provides the one genuinely modern pleasure”. It may be the only thing that science is worth to us – transportation and communication. All physiology may be dealt with by the mind.

To link the mind to the root of matter, energy-paths, is to overcome the adolescent will to know it all, to directly apply mind to form.
The well adjusted mind knows its periodicities instantly; the immediate mind, actuality. One can not solve a problem by destroying the context wherein it exists, the problem will live forth in the mind of the destroyer. The problem must be understood as an opportunity. This is the will to power in a political sense - power to interpret the other as oneself, oneself as the ‘master’ of the other - as being at root of the new other.
Real power makes the subjected stronger by subjecting it - it makes of the subjecter and the subjected one triumphant entity.