The Reasonable Standard

Magnus_Anderson · October 19, 2016, 5:34pm

In other words, he attacks others only when they wake him up from his dream.

You praise this because you too are a dreamer who does not want to be rudely awaken.

Perpetual dreamers project how they feel when they are rudely awaken onto those who are awake.

The ones who are awake, they think, must be frustrated. They cannot enjoy life.

Only dreamers enjoy life.

Fixed_Cross · October 20, 2016, 2:20am

I bet you are the first guy to ever leave your village, aren’t you?
It’s great. Just really great.

Go explore.

The world is really great.

Im not in your world though.

Magnus_Anderson · October 20, 2016, 2:53am

You aren’t. You are in a fantasy world. That’s precisely what I am saying.

Who do you think you are kidding with this incessant posturing of yours?

It’s pretty obvious you never say anything of substance. When was the last time you said anything of substance?

You are 100% fake.

Both you, the ass-smoocher, and that zombie, the ass-smooched.

Both of you living in order to run away from your accumulation of unresolved problems that can never be resolved.

The difference lies merely in stability. You call it “consistency”.

Your zombie idol is just a more stable – a more consistent – configuration of life-denying fantasy-affirming pretense.

He’s just a much better dreamer than you are. And you know this. And you admire him for it.

You want to do the same, but you can’t.

Too bad.

Magnus_Anderson · October 20, 2016, 3:06am

You are so fake, I can make you change your opinion about me by simply becoming more friendly to you.

I’ve seen you do this in the past.

I can be friendly to you for a month and then hostile to you for a month. I can keep doing this indefinitely and I am sure that the pattern will never change: each time I am friendly to you, you will say good things about me; each time I am hostile to you, you will say bad things about me.

Your opinions are not a reflection of an honest observation of reality.

Whatever you think, say or do you do in defense against your unresolved problems from the past that can pop up in your mind at any point in time.

Whoever triggers them is evil, whoever helps you deny them is good.

Mr_Reasonable · October 20, 2016, 4:44am

You think someone’s woken me up from my dream? I don’t think you know what it feels like to have thick skin. You could spend your whole life trying to raise my pulse and you’d die just as frustrated as you are now.

Mr_Reasonable · October 20, 2016, 4:45am

This is probably true of so many people that it doesn’t make sense to arbitrarily level is as an insult against just one person.

Fixed_Cross · October 20, 2016, 5:14am

This is kind of an Archimedean statement. A good example of why this thread exists.

Fixed_Cross · October 20, 2016, 5:26am

Normal people only talk down on you as you are not a high placed spirit, but I, as youve seen with several posters, tend to compromise myself a bit to see if some mice arent fit to be lions. Usually that is not the case. Erik is the only one that overcame his puny attitude that prevented him from being respectable in my eyes, but then he was already a fighter in real life.

You mistake the internet for easier than the life out your door. But youve been wise enough to seek out people that are above you. This is the only thing Ive ever said about you that is positive. I do not know why you seek me out, but I know that I am good, so I tend to think you have some reason that might make you a valid entity.

And so on. Note that I have never been the first one to address the other in our correspondences, Magnus - there is an iron logic that tells everyone that you need to stop pretending that you dont need something you think I can give you. Power - and I can give it to you. I have. You just need to pick it up.

But then the will to power is only the degree to which we dare to value.

iambiguous · October 21, 2016, 6:49pm

Since we can only react to the manner in which mr reasonable has described the life that he lives here, we can only assume that in fact it is a true and accurate description. He lives a particular life, has accumulated a minimal of frustrations in the act of it, and, insofar as he understand these things “in his head”, it is a “good” life.

This may in fact all be true.

But then this can describe almost anyone. A Nazi, a Communist, a Christian, an atheist, a liberal, a conservative, a masochist, a sadist, a humanist, a sociopath, etc., can all claim this of their own lives.

Right?

How hard can it then be for the serious philosopher to acknowledge that [re each individual] this may well be a reasonable assessment of the facts at hand?

Instead, where things become considerably more problematic is precisely at the social, political and economic junctures in which the life that mr reasonable construes to be “good” come into conflict with the lives of those who construe the behaviors that he chooses to be “bad”.

Then what for the value ontologists? Then what for the serious philosophers? Then what for the moral objectivists?

Then what for those who speak of others as being “spiritually advanced”.

It’s as though to say that as long as you can convince yourself that your own values [and behaviors] are advanced spiritually, that’s as far as you need to go. Let everyone else who chooses values completely at odds with your own embrace the same frame of mind and maybe, if you are lucky, you will never cross paths.

Or, again, am I simply missing the point here?

Fixed_Cross · October 22, 2016, 4:17pm

Existential question (sorry for the ads in between):
Does pussy rhyme to jacuzzi?

Mr_Reasonable · October 23, 2016, 5:14pm

If you ask Eminem, then everything rhymes.

iambiguous · October 23, 2016, 5:44pm

That may well be true but how is it related to the OP?

In other words, this being the philosophy forum, I am curious to explore your reaction to the point I raised above with Fixed Cross. How far removed do you suppose I am from understanding the point he makes about you?

iambiguous:

Fixed Cross:

Peoples frustration wants to end - and mr Reasonable has found ways of ending frustration,very clearly. He has methods I would not use and his political views are alien to mine, but he is consistent with what he wants, does, gets, and communicates.

Since we can only react to the manner in which mr reasonable has described the life that he lives here, we can only assume that in fact it is a true and accurate description. He lives a particular life, has accumulated a minimal of frustrations in the act of it, and, insofar as he understand these things “in his head”, it is a “good” life.

This may in fact all be true.

But then this can describe almost anyone. A Nazi, a Communist, a Christian, an atheist, a liberal, a conservative, a masochist, a sadist, a humanist, a sociopath, etc., can all claim this of their own lives.

Right?

How hard can it then be for the serious philosopher to acknowledge that [re each individual] this may well be a reasonable assessment of the facts at hand?

Instead, where things become considerably more problematic is precisely at the social, political and economic junctures in which the life that mr reasonable construes to be “good” come into conflict with the lives of those who construe the behaviors that he chooses to be “bad”.

Then what for the value ontologists? Then what for the serious philosophers? Then what for the moral objectivists?

Then what for those who speak of others as being “spiritually advanced”.

It’s as though to say that as long as you can convince yourself that your own values [and behaviors] are advanced spiritually, that’s as far as you need to go. Let everyone else who chooses values completely at odds with your own embrace the same frame of mind and maybe, if you are lucky, you will never cross paths.

Or, again, am I simply missing the point here?

Mr_Reasonable · October 24, 2016, 9:15am

Arcturus_Descending · October 26, 2016, 5:44pm

Mr Reasonable

I don’t actually see you viewing yourself in that way. But then again, I hardly know you.

Well, I kind of agree with you there. There’s a school of thought which says that some people are just born with a good temperament - more or less happy-go-lucky. Good mix of brain chemistry does that too.

True - this is the thing which I have to learn. I sometimes take too much to heart. Balance is called for BUT at the same time do we want to turn off our hearts to all negative things in the universe?

We, all of us, have to grow out of this and that. What about you, MR?

iambiguous · October 26, 2016, 6:49pm

Again, you will either respond to my points below or you will not. I’m more than willing to allow others to judge for themselves that which you choose to either do or not do.

iambiguous:

Fixed Cross:

Peoples frustration wants to end - and mr Reasonable has found ways of ending frustration,very clearly. He has methods I would not use and his political views are alien to mine, but he is consistent with what he wants, does, gets, and communicates.

Since we can only react to the manner in which mr reasonable has described the life that he lives here, we can only assume that in fact it is a true and accurate description. He lives a particular life, has accumulated a minimal of frustrations in the act of it, and, insofar as he understand these things “in his head”, it is a “good” life.

This may in fact all be true.

But then this can describe almost anyone. A Nazi, a Communist, a Christian, an atheist, a liberal, a conservative, a masochist, a sadist, a humanist, a sociopath, etc., can all claim this of their own lives.

Right?

How hard can it then be for the serious philosopher to acknowledge that [re each individual] this may well be a reasonable assessment of the facts at hand?

Instead, where things become considerably more problematic is precisely at the social, political and economic junctures in which the life that mr reasonable construes to be “good” come into conflict with the lives of those who construe the behaviors that he chooses to be “bad”.

Then what for the value ontologists? Then what for the serious philosophers? Then what for the moral objectivists?

Then what for those who speak of others as being “spiritually advanced”.

It’s as though to say that as long as you can convince yourself that your own values [and behaviors] are advanced spiritually, that’s as far as you need to go. Let everyone else who chooses values completely at odds with your own embrace the same frame of mind and maybe, if you are lucky, you will never cross paths.

Or, again, am I simply missing the point here?

Mr_Reasonable · October 27, 2016, 5:47am

Arcturus_Descending · October 27, 2016, 1:50pm

Hmmm?

Hi MagsJy

iambiguous · October 29, 2016, 7:39pm

Being ironic, eh?

barbarianhorde · November 1, 2016, 10:16pm

I come as a messenger form the great Fixed Cross and bring tidings from the insane asylum.

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Quick, to the golden lagoon!

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Mr_Reasonable · November 2, 2016, 1:32am

How so?