RE: He who says little, says much! (and other crimes against Nietzsche)
Three Varieties of Thinkers - There are streaming, flowing, trickling mineral springs, and three corresponding varieties of thinkers. The layman values them by the volume of the water, the expert by the contents of the water—in other words, by the elements in them that are not water.
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01-24-2013, 06:44 AM Post: #3
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Futile - The idea of forever is futile, as it itself does not last forever. It is strange to think how much of all languages of European descent (I don’t mention others out of ignorance) is based on this idea of forever.
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01-29-2013, 03:44 AM Post: #4
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Good Liars - If women had men’s capacity for honesty, they would make movies maybe too beautiful to bare.
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03-01-2013, 03:54 AM (This post was last modified: 03-01-2013 03:55 AM by pezer.) Post: #5
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Love - In order to know yourself, you must accept your enemy’s actions as intrinsically part of you. You must hate your enemies with love.
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RE: He who says little, says much! (and other crimes against Nietzsche)
That last pic was kind of funny.
“I said I was going to get to your calls but…look.”
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An Amendment - I propose we do away with the rest of the prayer, and just keep this modified bit: “Give us today our trespasses, and forgive our daily bread as we forgive others’ daily bread against us.”
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03-21-2013, 08:57 AM (This post was last modified: 03-21-2013 08:58 AM by ChainOfBeing.) Post: #10
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RE: He who says little, says much! (and other crimes against Nietzsche)
lol.
Eternal Vanity.- Man does not believe in death only because he does believe in it.
Abandon all hope, ye who enter here.
RE: He who says little, says much! (and other crimes against Nietzsche)
Praise and Worship - So far, we have praised and worshiped the nothing, the imaginary, kept it distant, and acted in the animal world. Let us rather give praise and thanks for the animal things, and tether the imaginary to that instead of vice-versa. Let us fill the nothing! It is right there waiting fur us: the animal will keep us safe and guide us true if we use it as a beacon in times of darkness… A lollipop is good, no matter who you are or where you’re from, barring systemic interferences like allergies.
A piece of creamy, fluffy cake…
Oil.
Cumin,
Cuming,
Each of these Gods has their own attribute, treats us good in predictable ways, is powerful beyond our concrete comprehension (ain’t all other just good lies?), and require very specific rituals in order to commune with them.
Or, you know we can worship… What was it again? Some destitutes and their crucified nihilist comforter?
I know many here may be tired of me harping on tyhe Iesus thing, but look within yourselves. I mention it for a reason.
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03-25-2013, 04:11 AM Post: #12
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RE: He who says little, says much! (and other crimes against Nietzsche)
My dear Lou and Ree: - Please do not be too much disturbed about the eruptions of my “megalomania” or my “injured vanity.” And even if I should, by chance, yielding to some impulse or other, take my life there would not be too much to be sad over. What concern have you with my whimsical ideas! (Even my “truths” have not concerned you till now.) Both of you please get together and ponder on this very carefully that, in the last analysis, I am touched in the head, half ready to be confined to the lunatic asylum, totally confused by my long loneliness.
I have arrived at what I call reasonable insight into how things stand after I took a tremendous dose of opium, out of despair. But instead of losing my mind, I seem to have at least come to my mind. By the way, I was sick for week,s and if I say that for 20 days we had Orta weather here, I need say no more.
Friend Ree, Please ask Lou to forgive me everything: she too is giving me an occasion to forgive her. Up to now I have not forgiven her.
It is more difficult to pardon your friends that it is to pardon your enemies.
There with Lou’s defense…
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Interesting… It was the opium that unchained you. The mention of it, I mean, and I suppose I should have guessed it was that easy to catch.
Anyway, to say opium is another of those original sins of the philosopher. Better to mention the specific substances, all chaos is not the same.
A Deleuze quote comes to mind (and I paraphrase): “I would rather die than grant anything to oedipal psychoanalysis!”
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But you can already see the crimes against Nietzsche I enjoy, my violations of the Manu.
Nuclear “weapons”
Every single undetonated atomic bomb is Nuclear Reactor fodder that hasn’t been used yet. Or spaceship launcher, but we might be a bit too far from that one yet.
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04-21-2013, 06:55 AM (This post was last modified: 04-21-2013 06:57 AM by pezer.) Post: #2
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I am scouring Google and Google Scholar to no avail. If truly there be physicists/engineers among us, start working on this shit. Ask me for any help you may need outside of the science itself.
I’ll keep looking for documentation for now.
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04-21-2013, 04:43 PM Post: #3
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Still nothing, but this site is an incredible resource for a muggle understanding of nuclear technology.
Reversal of Sacrifice
With all the Gods dying and scrambling for survival, it is time to officialy announce that it is now the Gods who must sacrifice to us.
Any God that cannot prove his or her power by some sacrifice to us will be considered dead, and die.
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Ehem… Alright, fuck it, here goes:
I am a Tyrant
I am a tyrant, born and raised as one. Socially and economically elevated, intellectually cultivated and isolated, politically motivated outside of politics.
I am Hitler, and I want it now! My child screams at me to grasp control of all I know. My child berates me for not forcing truth down liars’ throats. It has a bunch of swords, and even wants me to hold them all at the same time. My child doesn’t want blood, but it does want to see it. It doesn’t want to hurt, but it wants to belong to the hurting.
Poor child… Oh, sweet child of mine, how many thousands of years now have you pursued and achieved this path? How many thorough disappointments at the wreckage that strips all your desire of truth? How many unwittingly dehumanized slaves, slobbering over your boots even after failure?
Is this where you gave birth to adult, kiddo? To accept and work with the unacceptable and unworkable, purely out of a prideful sense of responsibility and, yes, not wanting to look fully? Did you tattoo on your face in reverse “I have won, and will win again?”
Anarchy, childe ye Roland. Anti-tyranny, so that you may still enjoy tyranny for a little while longer… Follow Nietzsche, and throw all the rest of your lumber into the anarchist fire. It was impossible before, with no Gods, Masters and only darkness. Now science awaits for you before, during and after the trial. Now have you a beautiful maiden, stronger forever than you in potentia, always interested only and only in helping you, serving you, giving you Tools and Power and Silly Joy.
Pray, child, and then stop praying for good… In the middle of the prayer, if possible!
Keep your swords handy, too, and your forge. Science works great with that kind of thing, and it reminds you to be aware of enemies.
Science is found in the question “how do you know?”
Jesus Was Not a Crackhead
Jesus was a man of overly developed sensitivity. Son of a carpenter? Must have been an abusive one.
In those days, one either had the societal privilege of natural endorfin, serotonin, etc. highs or just absolute fucking misery. Until Jesus came along, a strongest of hobos, and decided that yeah, fuck it, we’ll be miserable and love it. Eat shit.
For a looong time, that meant going to church, doing magik thinking directed at enduring misery, etc.
Today, Jesus would never have happened.
To understand this, we must ask: is the crack user really a wretch?
It seems to moi that they were wretches before the crack. With it, they begin to experience living again, living beyond misery. They become active nihilists, believing in nothing with fire and lust, often rising above into believing in everything with calm expectation of the fire and lust, accepting the lacks of their existances as “well, that’s just fucking life.”
Today, I sold the little bit of weed I was able to buy to get crack for one such person. I did it because I wanted to see what a man so wise and beautiful could want to seek in crack. I watched him toke it, feel it, and instantly turn all the brainburst into the most unbelievable star-gazing and surfing of happiness. He brought joyus laughs to people, not just smiles.
Jesus wasn’t a crackhead, and that is as good of an over-simplification of Nietzsche’s “The Antichrist” Christ as I can come up with.
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RE: Jesus Was Not a Crackhead
I think that over time Jesus was a…man who attempted to give some sense of discipline and decency to a culture that was completely savage.
He gave dignity to women, lepers, severly sick people, so called ‘possessed’ people and so on which I suppsoe was also a great thing, considereing culture had a totally different ethics and moral code embedded within them.
Though let’s fully admit it, if I were Jesus and had to look back , from then till now just to see the changes since when I would have actually tried to knock sense into those hypocrtes…I would be bashing my head against the wall ages ago in despair.
I suppose Jesus was one of those rare people who one could define as ‘over-sensitve and too caring’ which by the way, eventually led him to his own death.
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05-13-2013, 09:15 PM (This post was last modified: 05-13-2013 09:16 PM by pezer.) Post: #3
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Indeed, I would argue that Jesus was the savage in a world descending fast. He was a descendnt, not an element of discipline! Do as you want! Just stay poor. This is what matters, god loves misery. Jesus is the prophet of the god of misery.
You are talking about the hight of the Roman empire, to talk about some kind of primitive system…
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RE: Jesus Was Not a Crackhead
So I’ve come across something which explained that Jesus was a son of Julius Caesar and Cleopatra. After Caesar’s death, the King of Kings was somehow given by Cleopatra to Mary and Joseph, who were kind of adoptive parents for the boy. The boy eventually grew up, visiting Egypt, India, etc, picking up what would become his teachings.
It resonated on some level. The sense of entitlement from being the son of the self proclaimed Gods, Caesar and Cleopatra, would have helped a good deal with his confidence in his stance against authority. So the strongest of hobos descended from the strongest of hobos of two rather large nations from their time.
History seems very different in the above vein. Different, but somehow more reasonable and logical… for the glory of Rome, Egypt? I don’t know, but the Vatican made its way to Rome. Jesus posthumously conquered one of his ancestors’ homelands through the Vatican, along with much of the world.
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05-14-2013, 08:37 PM Post: #5
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I don’t buy it. First of all, Peter was the real conqueror. Jesus was just a model. Some suggest that there were many such personalities as Jesus, like you might imagine the future theorizing about end-of-the-world street yellers.
A priest’s art is to shift attention to an imaginary something. There is a shift… Once it is done, calling it the son of the Kings of the time just seems logical.
The actual logic is realizing that the person Jesus might even be some fucked up, non-person composite.
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Two Forms of Action
For humans, there are two forms of action, or two levels of freedom. If we understand freedom as not being held or manipulated by another human against your desires, as deciding upon the direction of one’s own actions, then freedom can be:
The intuitive freedom, which includes the freedom from the self and soul, to do as one can figure one’s self to do at any moment without input. This freedom is the physical freedom of bodily control in contrast to bodily surrender. This freedom is predictable, it does not go beyond the confines of what evolutionary pressures there be. In this way, one can do crime, do whatever, but one cannot escape sheepleness, it is within the Matrix through the Blue Pill. This I call freedom through approach.
The other is the distance freedom, which ChainOfBeing has elaborated on to all of our enlightenments. In short, it is the nihilist freedom, the freedom to say “no,” to avoid the immediate relaities that allow one to be intuitively free. This freedom determines evolutionary pressures itself, it participates on higher levels of life processes and cycles, so to speak. All recognizable things become clearer and smaller, one is free from the very possibility of enslavement as long as one can suceed in one’s “no’s”, one’s freedom is not proactive action but retroactive recognition.
What you see is what you don’t have, and what you have you don’t see. If I see future only and no past, I must be avoiding the future and living in the past. If I see the past only and no future, I must be some kind of pioneer. I can also seem to be focusing on the future when teasing out the past, and the past also can be teased out by the future in this way. If all I can see and think about is my drug of choice, I must not have whatever I seek in it (in many cases, the actual physichal thing). When one is stoned, drugs are the last thing on one’s mind.
Any clues? I remember in high school it was mostly about trying to make people just feel bad. Mostly among themselves!
In this sense, they really don’t have much power…
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04-04-2013, 01:41 AM Post: #2
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RE: How do Womyn fight Men?
…What?
“Think left and think right and think low and think high. Oh, the thinks you can think up if only you try!”
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04-04-2013, 01:48 AM Post: #3
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RE: How do Womyn fight Men?
Well, it sucks to feel bad, yeah.
But it’s very easy to overcome, especially from a girl you never met. Whereas a guy can do equal and lasting damage to strangers and close friends. Their vindictiveness is direct and continuous until the opponent breaks or he.
Psychology tricks… They only work on philosophers for limited amounts of time (though I would guess that they probably work on more occasions in general than normal).
I guess I should have elaborated more, though. My investigation here is this one: war is inevitable. Womyn inevitably have to participate.
How do womyn enjoy war? What is the romanticism in your bloodlust?
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04-04-2013, 01:52 AM Post: #4
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RE: How do Womyn fight Men?
I have to say, I think women are much more inclined to be vindictive than men are. In my experience, a man is more likely to punch a stranger in the face and buy him a drink ten minutes later, whereas a woman will just mess with your head and destroy your fucking life.
Romanticism in our bloodlust…
Pardon me for being such a girl, but I don’t think there’s anything romantic about bloodlust.
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04-04-2013, 02:01 AM Post: #5
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RE: How do Womyn fight Men?
It’s like I thought then… Women have no real understanding for battle.
It makes me sad that you are so often dragged into it.
I say it because vindictiveness itself does not battle make. A man may buy you a beer after the punch, but he was relentless between moment of enmity and moment of victory or defeat.
For a woman, it’s not about doing anything, exactly, I don’t think. It’s about carrying an active (in the physical sense) hate that only grows as it attacks, like a Buddhist tricked into getting angry.
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04-04-2013, 02:07 AM (This post was last modified: 04-04-2013 02:07 AM by Blurry.) Post: #6
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RE: How do Womyn fight Men?
Women have no real understanding for battle because I don’t see anything romantic about bloodlust?
Or am I missing something?
I can see romantic ideals behind war - the reasons for it. But the act of killing that soldiers engage in, in and of itself? Not “romantic bloodlust”. Just bloody.
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04-04-2013, 02:09 AM (This post was last modified: 04-04-2013 02:10 AM by Blurry.) Post: #7
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RE: How do Womyn fight Men?
And don’t be fooled into thinking that a woman will shy away from physically attacking you just because it’s not her first choice of conflict resolution.
I’ve certainly punched a motherfucker in the face before. I’ve twisted a ballsack or two in my time, as well.
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04-04-2013, 02:24 AM Post: #8
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I have been punched, kicked and slapped enough by girls myself growing up. I don’t doubt that you will battle, you are still noble humans.
But the fact that you don’t understand that battle is about much more than killing, that romanticism is felt and not theorized (or theorized in the moment, so to speak), speaks to your will for it to simply end A.S.A.P…
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04-04-2013, 02:31 AM Post: #9
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RE: How do Womyn fight Men?
Of course battle is about more than killing. It’s about fulfilling the goals of whatever fucktard in charge made the decision to go to war in the first place. Human lives being thrown away at the whim of a jackass who just wants money and power, what’s romantic about that? It’s a waste.
I’m not saying there’s never a noble, romantic reason for battle, but I’m afraid it’s harder for women to see it that way when, for centuries, we’ve sent our men off to war and waited for the return that never came. It’s poetic to think about, sure. Certainly some beautiful songs have been written about waiting for the soldier who never comes home, but when all you have to face is the rest of your life without that person, it sure doesn’t seem very romantic.
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04-04-2013, 02:33 AM (This post was last modified: 04-04-2013 02:35 AM by Blurry.) Post: #10
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RE: How do Womyn fight Men?
Historically, men and women experience war in very different ways. Women sit at home and wait, or they go into nursing and deal with the blood and missing limbs and gore and men dying all around them, all the time. Women and children are victims of rape and outright murder by invading forces, and even by their own soldiers. I mean, it’s just a completely different perspective when you’re not the one marching off to war, but the one left behind.
“Think left and think right and think low and think high. Oh, the thinks you can think up if only you try!”
RE: How do Womyn fight Men?
That’s actually a fantastic bit of insight. It never ocurred to me that womyn might have a harder time at war than men when thy’re not allowed to participate (and when they are, as well, it seems).
Maybe some guys have realized this already, though. I would guess that if any of them had the inclination to swallow glue and stuff, they might also want to check out what it means to be stuck at home, with all sorts of anxieties, depending on others for food and sustenance when you feel superior to most people getting it.
I’m sure there are more womyn alcoholics than we imagine.
Now, about the romance, two things. First, I guess I was thinking more Samurai romance, the love of the sword and the moment of fighting itself. Second, I can’t really imagine enjoying hurting anybody with anything other than my own body. Romantic love is decieved love always. But it’s a healthy kind of deciet when the world around it is boring. It ain’t coincidence that they made such a splash in the XVIII and XIX centuries.
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04-04-2013, 03:56 AM Post: #12
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RE: How do Womyn fight Men?
What is Evil in man is what is strong in him, but that’s only after we had to distill aggressiveness from Jehovain’t.
In any case, strength is not a point in itself. Men become obssessed with it sometimes, like Maslow describes when you are forced to fight way too hard for something and then become kind of dependent on fighting life like that.
Other times, philosophers steal all of those elements and rework them to their will. Of course, will is far from limitless.
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04-04-2013, 06:33 AM Post: #13
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RE: How do Womyn fight Men?
It was brought up on ILP one time that women have no sense of honor, basically because of their lack of ‘battle’ experience. I don’t know if I agree, but I do think about it from time to time.
How bout getting off all these antibiotics?
How bout stopping eating when I’m full up?
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04-04-2013, 07:00 AM Post: #14
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RE: How do Womyn fight Men?
So battle is the only thing that can bring honor to a person? I don’t know about that…
What is “honor”, do you think?
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04-04-2013, 07:06 AM Post: #15
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RE: How do Womyn fight Men?
An old term for handling all things without shying away.
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RE: How do Womyn fight Men?
In that case, I’d say women have and have always had more honor than men. If you compare the two, the woman has the more noble job, and does it with more honor - rather than take life, she gives it, and then she nurtures it.
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04-04-2013, 09:05 AM Post: #17
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RE: How do Womyn fight Men?
I agree with all that. I love women.
It was in the sense of women not really having that sense of military loyalty. Which is to say women are usually loyal to their men or themselves, and then maybe other women. Whereas men have the military, gangs, and in general the bros before hoes approach.
I think the point, if there even is one, has to do with basic environmental and sociological trends. Not so much any innate thing.
How bout getting off all these antibiotics?
How bout stopping eating when I’m full up?
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04-04-2013, 09:28 AM (This post was last modified: 04-04-2013 09:30 AM by Blurry.) Post: #18
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RE: How do Womyn fight Men?
Well I think you’re correct, it’s a rare woman who has a sense of military loyalty. I think part of this is because we have other things to worry about - the whole being a vessel for new life thing - and also because women in the military, though not completely nonexistent throughout history, is a fairly recent thing, and even now here in the States there’s still debate over whether or not to allow women into active fighting. The way that women (in general) have developed throughout the history of the human race has, sadly, been influenced far too much by men. The fact of the matter is, we are physically weaker in the vast majority of cases, and that has allowed men to control us for centuries. You see it happen every day, men use physical intimidation to prevent women from seeking education, health care, they use to tell women what to wear, how and when to speak, where they can go and when, the list goes on and on. Men use and have used physical intimidation to control every aspect of women’s lives right down to whether they have a right to their life or not.
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04-04-2013, 09:34 AM Post: #19
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RE: How do Womyn fight Men?
For argument’s sake, forget I said military loyalty. Lets disregard it completely from the discussion, actually. Just looking at sports, and generally overall, do you agree that overall men are loyal to each other than women are to each other?
It is tempting to say yes, but women can be shown to be more loyal in some ways. For instance, women tend to band together if they see another women being abused. Men are a bit more likely to be indifferent. Or in the context of looking good - buying clothes, makeup, etc - women have this sort of ‘we’re all in it together’ type of attitude when it comes to attracting men.
I wonder if loyalty/honor actually exists.
How bout getting off all these antibiotics?
How bout stopping eating when I’m full up?
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04-04-2013, 09:57 AM Post: #20
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RE: How do Womyn fight Men?
I don’t know if men are more loyal. I think the relationships between men and the relationships between women are vastly different, almost too much so to be comparable. Women tend to have complex relationships with one another, and there are varying levels of friendship. Of course this is probably also true for men, but I think it’s radically more so for women, from what I’ve observed of people. Our loyalty is doled out more selectively, though the basis of selection isn’t always rational, I’ll admit.
RE: How do Womyn fight Men?
Talking sports, though, women are absolutely loyal to their teams. LoL women are highly competitive creatures, so when success depends on banding together with a team to beat another team, we’ll do that.
Also, and this has nothing to do with the conversation, I wish every man could experience one high school girl’s gym class on floor hockey day. Men think they have the violent sport market cornered? HA! Teenage girls with hockey sticks and a gym floor make professional hockey players look like walking vagina’s.
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04-04-2013, 10:07 AM Post: #22
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RE: How do Womyn fight Men?
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I don’t know if men are more loyal.
I don’t think anyone is claiming to know. We’re just talking about what ifs.