I’ll be waiting.
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RE: Accept the Dark Side
DEARTH
starscream
starskkream
OPTIMUS PLUNGE
curge
Flirt with Serge
COP IN THE BEVVY
Dark Corner LA Hood
Lums are on the corner. Crack is sold in solid quantities under laternlights, a police van drives by nothing happens.
A king sits in his bed accompanied by his queeen and a partyhat, a chessboard before his confused gaze.
Why is that - pawn now there?
His king stands erect but his queen wanders
over to him
clue in clue out, less clues for you sire.
I meant sir. But words are the icing - eat and have cake and why I said dove -
I get ow, also l the crows.
Frost nails one man
a letter from a dead king
full of empty words
carried through the wild to serve
the waste of man.
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I have no fear,
I cast out to her, and it is in her hands now to save me.
Or I will fight. It must be as it must be.
I still see the temple… I will die with dreams if I die.
RE: Accept the Dark Side
When darkness came lurking I was working.
Treebird my pa looked over my shoulder.
Then came a thunderstrike in the eyes of my mother.
trust was broken without ever having known itself.
Well here commences good news, as all was wet and free.
life came back to dead mans hands and reaped the fallen tree.
the fruits were bright and sweet to taste tra tralala what glee.
++++++++
Here the poet dies a sudden heartattack and rises to Christ.
CHRIST:
What have you here?
POET
I have… nothing.
CHRIST
Why … not?
POET
I spent it all.
CHRIST
Ah… on … what?
POET
[pointing to the Earth]
Well, on them.
CRIST
[headpalm]
Christ… Oh…
POEM.
Now can I get through?
CHRIST
Yes… why not. Duck.
POET
[walking ahead through the magnificent and even more enormous gate]
For what?
CHRIST
You’ll find out if you don’t.
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I don’t get it. Why Christ?
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04-01-2013, 06:42 AM Post: #23
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I see…
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04-01-2013, 06:42 AM Post: #24
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We don’t need him.
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04-01-2013, 06:43 AM Post: #25
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Must we do war?
Is science not enough?
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04-01-2013, 06:44 AM Post: #26
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No. I suppose not.
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Because he did not give so that he received. Which means he did not give it to them at all.
And then Christ pulled the trick on him. The sheep-maker. The darkside-evil-maker. Normally the gate was high anough not to duck. But fear and doubt were instilled in the man. it had to be done.
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04-01-2013, 06:45 AM Post: #28
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Science is enough for the righteous. But the righteous are few, and Diplomats less.
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Enough for what?
I used Christ to tell a story.
I don’t believe in “Him” or whatever -
I just know him, as Jesus, the theatre-miracle of Babylon.
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04-01-2013, 06:47 AM Post: #30
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To resign to fire… That is not science.
E: Accept the Dark Side
It is enough for strong alliance.
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04-01-2013, 06:53 AM (This post was last modified: 04-01-2013 06:53 AM by Fixed Cross.) Post: #32
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What’s your beeft with Jesus?
I was raised without him that could help.
Thats how I like to refer to the religion once in a while - as a friendly afterthought.
Plus, they built cathedrals.
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Japanese bullshit stories are the best and most true bullshit stories.
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Except you failed with me, I live still, and I am not a martyr.
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Jesus is of worth the same way as any God revered by man - a potency, a valency.
You have strong reservations, and this is logical as we can not think without reservations toward such a concept as a son of God.
I have a bit of respect for him knowing some of the men who have believed in the myth to be meaningful and magickal, and respecting their acts as manly and archaic, real as stone blood, and not at all forgiving of bullshit.
I can’t help to have a little respect for Christianity. Especially after seeing the interior of the “tip” here:
scenery-wallpapers.com/walls/mont…normal.jpg
It’s not “my thing” in the sense of priesthood - but the warriorquality of building this fortress, in order to build this abbey on top - this is just in one word admirable.
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When I saw your face the first time, didn’t I almost sing of glee from having found an enemy?
It was not because you are different than me, it is because you are almost reversed. And because you are different.
I come “from” Jesus, son of God. From. I am a herald of that land that you discovered, too late.
You describe it aptly and with Truth. You are a man of Truth.
It is only Right that you should struggle madly with Jesus.
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RE: Accept the Dark Side
There is an open garden on the top- a regular cloister - patio, with a gallery and a “sacred” square of green in the middle. Outside the wind is howling at 100 km/h. I opened one to a crack of the shutters in one of the halls of stone preceding the open garden - the force of the wind blasted through the hall and I was instantly in the middle ages, as real as I’ve ever been. And it was not un-awesome.
I once had a vision. It reminded me that Christians knew a thing or two about fear, and thus of respect.
Respect can come without fear. But fear can not come without respect.
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RE: Accept the Dark Side
Are we not more powerful yet than Machiavello?
How long will it take?
E: Accept the Dark Side
Answer me Fixed Cross, or don’t.
Why do you have to lie, whilst I feel free of it?
Angels Don’t Hug
As I delve deeper into Satanism, the revelations get better and better. Dig this one, bet it never occurred to you: angels don’t hug!
They show up, in some firey display of might, lay onto you some dope werdz and gtfo. Maybe the “Holy spirit” can have sex with girls, maybe, and I’m more and more convinced anyway that the holy spirit is Satan. Plus, is hugging strictly necessary for sex?
Now Shaitan, as the eloquent Arabs call 'im, is sometimes seduction itself, woman, Shaitan loves life and Man and, like all who suffer that affliction, loves to hug.
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03-31-2013, 05:21 AM Post: #2
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Angels might not “hug”, but they can sure fuck you up.
…or cover you with kindness.
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03-31-2013, 06:14 AM Post: #3
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“Angels might not “hug”, but they can sure fuck you up.”
And herein lies the key to faith.
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[this was gay]
It is not always bad to be beaten down by an angel, as long as the fight is chivalrous.
Angels who are not chivalrous -
what are their names?
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RE: Angels Don’t Hug
Aren’t angeles “Gay” in the common sense?
Is not the Satan myth the castration of God, Gods penis running away from him?
Gods other “angels”, his attributes, are not nearly as valuable to him as his obelisk-inspiring Godhood.
But this was only to keep God from those who let him be kept.
This God-in-the-closet aspect was always what inspired excess, religious dedication, marvelous art because being unseen yet known is the most godly feature.
Now God is made bland and dead by science. God used to be more or less autonomous, now he only exists as logic to us. Satanael is illogical, irrational, takes the space between problem and solution, and sometimes becomes where God cannot - pure justification.
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All Monotheists know to predict the rise of the Antichrist, precisely because God’s closeted essence is not God’s, and even the closet isn’t. Satan is like the ball of real that was produced from the fancyhood of Godly constructs. All the other angels are Diplomats, trying to mediate.
Now God is dead, Satan is curiously still vibrant.
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God isn’t dead, He’s just waiting for people to get through their anx.
Btw, an angel is a stratagem. An archangel is a fundamental stratagem underlying many others. And God is the stratagem underlying all of them, the “Head Angel”.
The “Devil” is also a stratagem, a really serious one, based on giving people Hell.
So in the Bible when they said , “she knew the angel”, they meant what they said. The whole “sex” thing, as usual, was merely another of many tempting distractions to keep people off course chasing a “space alien” story, with the final intent of making the Church seem like silly superstitious fools.
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They ARE silly superstitious fools. That everybody else also is doesn’t change that.
You did do one good thing for me today, O JSS. You confirmed for me, from a Christian perspective, that God was just another Demon. The tyrant of Heaven.
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God is not contextual.
How can he exist?
Only as context-creating. A standard and its minimum requirements. God is the potency of there being anything at all. For things the exist there must be difference, for there to be difference change is required. For change we must have comparable instances, which requires ‘slowness’, constancy, and its interaction with other slow constancies. The separation of bits of affect is qua measure defined by their capacity to relate to each other. This means ‘to interpret in terms of self-value’. -
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(04-01-2013 03:56 AM)Fixed Cross Wrote:
God is the potency of there being anything at all.
Otherwise known as a “potential”.
(04-01-2013 03:56 AM)Fixed Cross Wrote:
The separation of bits of affect is qua measure defined by their capacity to relate to each other. This means ‘to interpret in terms of self-value’. -
Yep.
There can’t be a self until there is a not-self as well.
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(04-01-2013 05:33 AM)JSS Wrote:
(04-01-2013 03:56 AM)Fixed Cross Wrote:
God is the potency of there being anything at all.
Otherwise known as a “potential”.
(04-01-2013 03:56 AM)Fixed Cross Wrote:
The separation of bits of affect is qua measure defined by their capacity to relate to each other. This means ‘to interpret in terms of self-value’. -
Yep.
There can’t be a self until there is a not-self as well.
To call potential itself God is, ironically, quite Satanic in action.
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(04-01-2013 06:09 AM)pezer Wrote:
To call potential itself God is, ironically, quite Satanic in action.
Just because God is potential doesn’t mean that potential is God.
Get your set theory straight. Wink
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I did misunderstand, then.
It might not be Satanic in that case, but it’s still certainly demonic.
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“Demonic” means “dividing the whole”, or “de-unifying”.
What would God be de-unifying that God didn’t create already de-unified?
God, as a strategy, is a unifying principle, because there is only one of Him and IF everyone accepts Him, then everyone cooperates (not that you would guess that by the history of the apes).
God = let’s all agree to agree.
Devil = let’s all agree to disagree.
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If everyone agrees to eat dirt at 2:00 pm every day, then everyone cooperates.
God: let’s all agree to stop sensing, perceiving and thinking.
Devil: Fucking never, God bitch.
New Mythology
What are the Gods of today?
- Jah Rastafari
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- Electromagnetic Force
- Gravitation Force
- Strong Force
- Weak Force (although currently romancing the EM Force)
- Quantization
- Entropy
- Socialism
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The self/self-aggrandization/phones
“I said I was going to get to your calls but…look.”
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RE: New Mythology
That these are positives:
Transhumanism
Genetically Modified Organisms
AI
That this is the case:
The Self is the Body Surface + Possessions
That this exists:
Democracy
That there is no action over distance
That death is the rule and the life is the exception
That ‘matter’ means anything
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(03-30-2013 11:49 AM)Heathen Wrote:
That these are positives:
Transhumanism
Genetically Modified Organisms
AI
That this is the case:
The Self is the Body Surface + Possessions
That this exists:
Democracy [false]
That there is no action over distance [true]
That death is the rule and the life is the exception [true]
That ‘matter’ means anything [true]
You have a keen eye.
…except that the last 4 don’t fit together.
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I am not quite sure what you mean. I am not sure what democracy has to do with the last three. I did mean that it is a myth democracy exists - on any large scale that is. There may be a group of under, say, 300 that manages this.
If you are saying that death is the rule and life is the exception, how can God be everywhere and in everything. Or perhaps you meant calling that a myth was true.
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(03-30-2013 01:46 PM)Heathen Wrote:
I am not quite sure what you mean. I am not sure what democracy has to do with the last three. I did mean that it is a myth democracy exists - on any large scale that is. There may be a group of under, say, 300 that manages this.
Sorry, I thought that you had intended the last four to be grouped under the same heading.
(03-30-2013 01:46 PM)Heathen Wrote:
If you are saying that death is the rule and life is the exception, how can God be everywhere and in everything. Or perhaps you meant calling that a myth was true.
That of course, depends on your definition of “God”
and that gets into what you want to believe of Truth versus Truth itself
and that gets into Truth versus Reality
and that gets into Definitional Logic
which of course, gets into Rational Metaphysics:Affectance Ontology and/or Value Ontology. Big Grin
new “myths”??
…or new takes on Reality?
…and they wonder why they don’t see all of the answers at once. Dodgy
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(03-30-2013 02:04 PM)JSS Wrote:
That of course, depends on your definition of “God”
Sure, though I haven’t met many who would say God was dead. Except in the atheist metaphorical sense, that is.
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Like all real Logic, there is always a third choice, not merely “Dead / Alive”.
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(03-30-2013 02:13 PM)JSS Wrote:
Like all real Logic, there is always a third choice, not merely “Dead / Alive”.
Well, then whatever that is is the rule and not death.
RE: New Mythology
The third choice in this case is, “Not Applicable”.
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RE: New Mythology
Well then, the rule I disliked is off. Not applicable is the rule. Or at least an underlying rule.
That said. No action at a distance? Didn’t you say somewhere you’d done remote viewing. Wouldn’t what you saw have affected you? If nothing else in the specific memories what you saw created, let alone how what you saw may have shifted how your thought, even if only in specifics, and perhaps what you did?
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03-30-2013, 04:03 PM (This post was last modified: 03-31-2013 02:40 PM by JSS.) Post: #13
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RE: New Mythology
(03-30-2013 03:54 PM)Heathen Wrote:
Not applicable is the rule.
Isn’t it more often than not?
(03-30-2013 03:54 PM)Heathen Wrote:
No action at a distance? Didn’t you say somewhere you’d done remote viewing. Wouldn’t what you saw have affected you? If nothing else in the specific memories what you saw created, let alone how what you saw may have shifted how your thought, even if only in specifics, and perhaps what you did?
Remote viewing doesn’t work by remote cause to local effect.
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03-31-2013, 08:38 AM Post: #14
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RE: New Mythology
(03-30-2013 04:03 PM)JSS Wrote:
(03-30-2013 03:54 PM)Heathen Wrote:
Not applicable is the rule.
Isn’t it ore often than not?
(03-30-2013 03:54 PM)Heathen Wrote:
No action at a distance? Didn’t you say somewhere you’d done remote viewing. Wouldn’t what you saw have affected you? If nothing else in the specific memories what you saw created, let alone how what you saw may have shifted how your thought, even if only in specifics, and perhaps what you did?
Remote viewing doesn’t work by remote cause to local effect.
OK, so how is it not something far away connected directly to someone ‘here’? IOW I understand you disagree with what I wrote, but not how you see it as wrong.
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03-31-2013, 02:40 PM Post: #15
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(03-31-2013 08:38 AM)Heathen Wrote:
OK, so how is it not something far away connected directly to someone ‘here’? IOW I understand you disagree with what I wrote, but not how you see it as wrong.
In a word, “Entanglement”.
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04-01-2013, 09:23 AM Post: #16
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RE: New Mythology
(03-31-2013 02:40 PM)JSS Wrote:
(03-31-2013 08:38 AM)Heathen Wrote:
OK, so how is it not something far away connected directly to someone ‘here’? IOW I understand you disagree with what I wrote, but not how you see it as wrong.
In a word, “Entanglement”.
So are you with the mainstream consensus that no information can be passed via entanglement or against this consensus - or have some third position, etc.? I assume you can see why I ask this in context.
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04-01-2013, 09:25 AM Post: #17
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Ah, I just thought of a 3rd position - not that there can’t be more. No information passes, it’s already ‘here’. Hence no action at a distance. Though distance is sort of eliminated, so saying no action at a distance is not a proper denial.
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04-01-2013, 01:31 PM Post: #18
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RE: New Mythology
(04-01-2013 09:25 AM)Heathen Wrote:
No information passes, it’s already ‘here’. Hence no action at a distance.
There you go.
(04-01-2013 09:25 AM)Heathen Wrote:
Though distance is sort of eliminated, so saying no action at a distance is not a proper denial.
I don’t think that I understand that part.
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04-01-2013, 01:40 PM Post: #19
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RE: New Mythology
(04-01-2013 01:31 PM)JSS Wrote:
(04-01-2013 09:25 AM)Heathen Wrote:
No information passes, it’s already ‘here’. Hence no action at a distance.
There you go.
(04-01-2013 09:25 AM)Heathen Wrote:
Though distance is sort of eliminated, so saying no action at a distance is not a proper denial.
I don’t think that I understand that part.
Well, you agreed with my saying no information passes since it is already here. To me one way of putting this would be that the mind takes up more space then we generally allow, though not just minds since entanglement involves all matter. To me the idea of distance is cut into if I am direction connected to ‘there’. There is no distance, if only in one way, but as far as consciousness, there is none.
As a related question, are your ruling out, then, action at a distance, for example like healing and thought exchange - the latter without a traditional medium - like say a telephone.
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04-01-2013, 02:54 PM (This post was last modified: 04-01-2013 02:59 PM by JSS.) Post: #20
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RE: New Mythology
Hmm… I don’t discard distance. The distance is there. It just isn’t relevant for this concern. What I believe in is something you could call “transentanglement”.
Imagine that you mentally witness a problem that someone is having at a distance. You envision the solution. But the solution doesn’t actually occur at that distance. Why not? Because the other party wasn’t envisioning you and your solution.
The “connectedness” of consciousness occurs through “transentanglement”, each party envisioning the other, thus in a sense, “discussing” the situation with each other, even though no information actually passed from any to any other. It all occurs as quickly as they can envision.
RE: New Mythology
(04-01-2013 03:07 PM)pezer Wrote:
All very interesting… But what is the new God here?
A) the “god” = enticing illusion.
B) the “God” = same as always.
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04-01-2013, 03:27 PM Post: #23
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RE: New Mythology
So… aReality and bNihilism?
Yeah, nothing new under the Sun.
Science is found in the question “how do you know?”
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04-01-2013, 03:30 PM Post: #24
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RE: New Mythology
Nihilism is like Lucifer… Missleading. Lucifer was once Lucibel. We have already concluded that nothing is really more than nothing, infinite more.
Making you… A Chaos worshiper. My creation!
No, not my creation. My creation was Nietzschean, Chaos of honesty.
If you want to be a cynic with my brand, you must abandon all falsehood.