It’s coming, but slowly. The instincts are always going to rule but they will only do so within the law if the law is great enough, vast enough in spirit.
For this, the instincts have to teach.
For this, they have to speak the language of the mind.
Adepthood means to trust the instincts as logos, knowing that they are not------- without the trumst. Much like love, but with the true elevation of latent genetic potential into actual ‘will’,- consciousness, ‘power’ - self-valuing - meaning-vortexing.
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Try actually expressing the lower chakras in an individual way, with lower chakra insights into what is actually going on, and you will see how strong the judgments about the lower chakras still are out there, even in the groups that seem to worship them.
Have you experienced stronger encounters with intolerance of your nature within or without yourself?
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Then you have all the ratinalist, academic, philosophical, science groupie utter hatred of the lower chakras except for their own righteous wrath at the ‘irrational’ people they do not quite understand but something sets off their rage and urge to smite like some old pagan diety.
In all people the lower chakra’s rule, except in those who have mastered them. Those who deny them the rule is lawless - outside and without the law given by the higher chakra’s. Unseen by the subject. He is a slave and needs hypocrisy and it’s nephew - cruel and degenerating humor - to take control of his mind when he is doing what he does.
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To me I see upper chakra thoughts masquerading as freed up lower chakras. It’s mostly ideas of freedom, ideas of ‘release’ and cooltoexpress.
Anyone who can manage to integrate the first chakra’s in any way that is legitimate to him by the release of force into meaning, is due respect from me. It proves a deliberate effort to advance in gratitude of a challenge.
Then the path only begins.
All adepts are noble in their courage and ‘sacrifice’.
They only know the law of bounty.
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Then the mass of the power structure is very cool, upper chakra, really rather quite BLUE pulling the strings, stimulating and distracting and working the fundamentalists up into frenzies also. It is a BLUE society conquering the West and everyting will be the WEST soon enough in any way that matters.
Nothing is set in stone. Especially not power.
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Right now, everything is measured in terms of the lower chakra’s / castes. And there it comes again - relativism, is the moral thoughtmodel that justifies/enables this.
Relativism is an upper chakra creation. Not that you are saying it isn’t.
As a doctrine, yes, indeed all doctrines are.
But I give some credit to the idea that it is also out of a lack of upper chakra truth - a river run dry so to speak - and a last plan of saving what was still left, but would soon die if circumstances would continue to be demanding.
It’s our Socrates - the ugly truths (all is equal in de end once you reduce it to the common denominator) - are to be preferred over the hard truths (difference, rank, ‘oppression’).
So yes - the hard truths are lower chakra. “Earth” - it demands a sacrifice of some ‘self evident truths’ to be true to it.
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The mind needs to [gently at first] release its grip on everything. Blue control and habitual insight, seeing what it believes and punishing what it thinks it does not like before it understands it. After thousands of years of being raped in the dark by priests and nobles and soldiers, and then in the light being told they were the root of evil and creators of darkness
the lower chakras don’t need to be refined, they need to be rescued and given some water, a sandwich and time to breathe and relax. And because this entails the mind actually releasing, for a time - though the mind thinks it will be forever - the mind thinks it will go insane, become a mass murderer, never have that precious handle it thinks it has on reality.
No, the mind is also just an instincts. It simply needs to shed errors, and learn to see itself as the layer of self-valuing (Value Ontology does help here, precisely here, where ‘matter as conscious’ becomes the jynx factor) that is equal in mechanism to the atomic dynamisms of his reality - there is no essential difference between how the lower and the higher work. The higher can simply not live without the lower, but is far from evolved enough to truly compete with the lower. All its forms of dominance are only interpretation - a haphazard attempt to grasp what is going on in order to deal with the much larger problem: the infant “mind”.
In so far as philosophy offers a post-Christian response to its mother-phenomenon, only few things have impressed me. One of those things is Parodites’ “Daemonic” consciousness.
Parodites Wrote:
For the Greeks, the self or “the soul,” and all that belongs to it, including freedom, happiness, power, consists in the temporary, that is, daemonic stabilization of the mortal and divine aspects of the self achieved through artist creation and philosophic reflection: under the banner of the Judaica and of the Christians it consisted in the disavowal of the mortal aspect of the self, a capacity founded on the reinterpreted excess as an abyssal lack, the nothingness before God, a God in whose image this nothingness was satiated. The Cartesian cogito, as the vacant substratum underlying consciousness, is a modern expression of this inner lack, a Christianization of philosophy. To really understand the extent to which philosophy has been Christianized it is perhaps necessary to unite my drive-psychology and conception of the daemonic. To take what I have already said about the historical development of the self, one must admit that the “Parnasus Ad Gradum” which leads from the primitive self to the Greek self, psuche pasa, as that immortal soul which could not bear the wastes of eternity without the sensuality and beauty of a physical incarnation, which it must after all take with it into the world beyond, to the political self of Aristotle, to that self of the Augustianian confessions, is both a long and a frightening one. Originating as a way in which to correct the disintegration of man’s originary nature, something that can apprehend the variances in drive and emotion, between internal states, that can comprehend them and itself as something enduring throughout them had to be produced. Two inner states were reified in an abstraction in which their discontiguity, their variance, their difference, could be comprehended. This is the beginning of the spiritualization of man and world, and the development of the “self.” Those abstractions in which man grasped the transformations and difference between his emotional states, granted him more and more consciousness of his “selfhood.” Self-consciousness here is seen, not as a thin growth upon the deeper subconscious, but as an instrument that is submerged in the subconscious for the purpose of its subordination and organization. Contrast is the basis of our consciousness. There is no consciousness without the separation of mental phenomena and sense impression into opposition, oppositions which must be reified in some abstraction that makes us conscious of the variance between two inner states, a condition which, grasped psycho-existentially, I call the daemonic. The derivation of self-consciousness would have been psychologically painful at first because all the drives responsible for the survival of man, as the most fundamental and apparent, had to serve as the first to be placed in opposition to one another. Death rituals that celebrated life, mass suicides, cannibalism, death orgies, pain festivals. All of this was necessary. It formed the first social connections beyond hunter-gathers, ie. religious connections, as well as helped develop self-consciousness. The failed abstractions, the values that proved suicidal or ended up leading to death, obviously we don’t know of. The failed cultures to which they belonged never lived long enough to write their own history books. But there is an extensive history which we have no knowledge of which details such failed cultures, the forgotten madness of our species, and much self-imposed torture. Only the “sanest” values and value-creators survived, all the history and culture we know is of them. The values and moral philosophies of this survivor culture are no more credible though, they just didn’t end up killing us. Well, they didn’t end up killing all of us. One only needs to think of human sacrifice, self-torture, cannibalism, death worship, all common in the earliest human societies. Why is this destructive “disorganizing force,” the reifying abstractions belonging to the “daemonic,” preservative of the human species, when in fact it arose to correct the disorganization of man’s drives effected by his enhanced reasoning capacity? It is a greater impetus to life, it is “stronger” than the half-slumbering active consciousness achieved by re-harmonizing the drives through “thinking.” It provides a greater way of cohering a social order. When man made the switch from small hunter-gatherer tribes to larger communities, it found its best soil. To speak archetypally, we have one group that grasps contrary emotional states in an abstraction, through discontinguous states of consciousness, so that the intellect operates separately from the emotional organism, the egoic consciousness wholly circumscribed by the intellectualization and narcotized as it were. Everything is morally good which provides this respite, anything that reawakens emotional and sensual life (which must be highly painful, granted the contrary passions) is bad, like sexual desire. Another group, who achieve mental integration, are not hurt by the same things that awaken for the former the drives, because their drives do not exist in such destructive configurations. But these two classes of people do not war, they integrate, socially, over time. Those who emerged from the passions and the drives without any injury, as the drive for sex, become early priests, the administrators of the Gods, and teach others how to tolerate these drives through things like sex rituals, as was practiced at the temples of Athena. The reification of the variances between inner states in abstractions (the daemonic) and the active integration of compatible drives by means of the coordination of these abstractions, (dialectically, meontologically, poetically, or ultimately empirically and transcendentally, to use my terminology) that is, “thought,” as two tendencies or psychological strategies, noia and dianoia to distinguish with the Greeks, operate together, producing the model of the modern human being, in whom was portended their dissolution into the Greek and Christian man, in whom was portended the dissolution of the integrity of transcendental and empirical modes of reasoning. Nihilism was the devaluation of one mode of reasoning by the other, while the seemingly irreparable division of the two doesn’t yet have a name. Philosophy continues to exist only because the germ of its destruction is radiated immanently from within itself. - P
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(04-12-2013 09:21 AM)Fixed Cross Wrote:
Have you experienced stronger encounters with intolerance of your nature within or without yourself?
Much less of both, since I know how to navigate the outer much better and when to express myself to ‘them’ and when not to. But the two are intimately tied to each other.
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In all people the lower chakra’s rule, except in those who have mastered them.
Not at all. They are primarily run on ideologies, which I like clots in the upper chakras that think they are so smart and in the know. Even the hedonsims out their are run by thought programs in Blue (throat) or religious programming (Purple). Most of those who ‘satify’ themselves, have concepts of this from fixed ideas in those colors and then guilt and shame also coming downstream from the upper chakras. WE have thousands of years of upper chakra domination. Domination based on perverse versions of those chakras, but they have always been in the power positions in civilization, and even in more pagan/indigenous societies, though less so.
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Nothing is set in stone. Especially not power.
I agree, just noticing the way things have been.
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No, the mind is also just an instincts.
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I would call it habits, but that’s not too far off.
I’ll have to mull over the parodites…
A short response…
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“For it is only criminals who presume to damage other people nowadays without the aid of philosophy.”
Robert Musil,
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RE: Case in Favor of Caste system
" I’ll have to mull over the parodites… "
His mind is like a Heathen God. Dense clouds of dark meaning, culminating in instants of enlightenment. Of course this second relies on the conducting power of the reader, who must be ground to his own illumination.
Somewhere on BTL there is a post about the emerging the reason as a cataclysmic event annihilating all previous relations between the drives. It revolutionized my conception of the evolution from instinct to mind. I have been trying to locate it but wasn’t successful. But the idea can be found throughout his texts.
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These separations, Fixed Cross, are likely to be a product of the artificiality of thought itself, or rather the historical expression of the artificiality of thought itself.
We make up because we make up, and the makers up end up on the beautiful minds of such as Heathen, pinning them down and stapling them to the proper historical power developments.
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unmaksed???/
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Lol…no.
How bout getting off all these antibiotics?
How bout stopping eating when I’m full up?
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lol
Good sites
Einstein said always hide your sources… but I figure among friends we may skip that rule. Perhaps a big mistake. Anyway - the reason to start this thread was something I found yesterday. I’m not going to make explicit why this site is already invaluable to me but, I recommend a calculated guess.
What is ethical about this ape?
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He sticks to bananas, tried and true. I guess, then, I’m agreeing with Kierkegaard: repetition.
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He is ethical in the sense that he possesses something with which to suspend and pass judgment upon/elevate himself above what was formerly the merely lesser animal nature of immediately satisfied drive-causality.
What is ethical is so with respect to “past”, to that for which the ethical itself acts as an over-growth and extra-dimensionalized law. This is precisely why the ethical, contrary to its condition, must always aim at “the future”, at that which it is not (yet).
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I started writing a screenplay, just to be writing, practice. Since I’m not a native english speaker I will need help with the dialogue. I’d be interested to learn where you /any of you natives find the speech unnatural, and how you’d say it instead. Feel free to tear it to shreds. I must learn.
I’m pretty good at writing dialogue in Dutch, but no one is ever going to watch a Dutch movie. This is my predicament.
Code:
INT. OFFICE HALLWAY - DAY
A cleaning cart rolls through shiny corridors at a quick
pace. Suddenly it takes a turn and enters a doorway, and
another. Then it arrives at a closed door. A hand goes to the
knob and pulls it down. The doors open. Two startled faces
look towards the camera, one blond, in his late 30's, MIKE,
and another brown haired, over 60 years old, PETROWSKI, who
is of Russian descent but has been living in the US for
decades.
PETROWSKI
Hey! What the hell man?
We now see the person who was pushing the cart. It is a man
of Semite origin: MOSHE.
MOSHE
(very quickly)
I am sorry sirs I must clean.
Please, step aside for moment. I
need to get under desk. No
inconvenience for you at all, I
make very very quick. Please sir, I
must make.
Petrowski looks at Mike, bewildered.
MIKE
You gotta admire a sense of duty.
PETROWSKI
Is this some kind of joke?
Looks around the room.
PETROWSKI (CONT'D)
Why am I here?
Mike laughs thinly and waves to Moshe.
MIKE
It's okay boss. We'll be done here
in a minute and you can get under
the desk.
MOSHE
Yes but boss...
MIKE
Who's the boss, Moshe!
MOSHE
I am boss, sir!
MIKE
That's right. Here's a working man
for you Petrowski. Here's what it's
all about.
PETROWSKI
What's what about?
MIKE
America. Freedom of choice. Working
hard. Making a difference.
Petrowski is taken aback. Moshe begins to move back to the
door.
PETROWSKI
I respect that, Mike. That's why I
come to you with this info...
MIKE
(interrupting)
Yes indeed, damn fine coffee. I
will tell the wife to think about
it. She's awful set in her ways
however so...
The door shuts.
MIKE (CONT'D)
Slick, Petrowski. Do they teach you
that in Russia?
PETROWSKI
What?
MIKE
Talking to the cleaners about state
business.
PETROWSKI
What? You were talking to him about
the constitution for Christssakes!
Mike sighs. He gets up and fetches a thermos of coffee.
MIKE
We've got a long way to go.
Ideology, Petrowski, is what you
put into a mans head. Information
is what you try to keep out of his
head.
Petrowski is getting angry.
PETROWSKI
Okay Mike. You got it all figured
out. In the meantime we're being
spied.
MIKE
Don't get paranoid on me Petrowski.
Tell me the beginning. How old were
you when this happened?
But Petrowski isn't finished yet, he feels humiliated.
PETROWSKI
(pointing to the door)
Are these actually soundproof?
MIKE
Don't worry.
PETROWSKI
Okay, Mike. I'm, not worried. Some
Arab guy is able to just walk in
here with his cart which for all I
know carries a camera or a bomb and
nothing stands in his way.
MIKE
You're not a target. You're not a
priority. That's why we're in this
room. It's not secure.
PETROWSKI
I'm not what? I come to you with
information on...
Looks around him suspiciously
PETROWSKI (CONT'D)
I come to you with information and
I'm not a priority? For what should
I be a target?
MIKE
You're not.
PETROWSKI
Yeah I got that. But for what am I
not a target?
MIKE
Can we get back to the information?
PETROWSKI
Why? It's not a priority is it?
MIKE
It's pertinent.
Petrowski stares at Mike blankly. He suddenly laughs.
PETROWSKI
Yeah Mike. Okay Mike. Let's get
back to the info. I'm not worried.
MIKE
Okay then. How old were you when
this happened?
PETROWSKI
I was four.
MIKE
So this was...
PETROWSKI
Nineteen fifty two.
MIKE
So now you're here, sixty years
later, about to retire. And you
come to me with a story.
PETROWSKI
It's a true story.
MIKE
It's a strange story. But then
again, you are Russian. It'd be
strange if it wasn't... strange.
Petrowski grimaces.
PETROWSKI
(sarcastic)
How well you know us.
MIKE
So you were having breakfast with
the family, and a general came to
take your dad away.
PETROWSKI
Yes.
MIKE
And your father didn't come back
for a year and a half.
PETROWSKI
That's right. And when he did he
was deformed. I mean mentally. They
had been screwing with his head.
MIKE
But he was able to pass on this
information to you.
PETROWSKI
Eventually. Years later.
MIKE
Why?
PETROWSKI
Why what?
MIKE
Why did he come forward?
PETROWSKI
I guess he'd been afraid.
MIKE
I don't know Petrowski. It's a
strange story.
Petrowski opens the door again and looks outside. The hallway
is empty. He closes it again. He turns to Mike.
PETROWSKI
I didn't tell you the whole story.
MIKE
(ironically)
You didn't?
Petrowski slowly sits down
PETROWSKI
The general who came to our house,
well that was not actually a
general.
MIKE
(irritated)
Right.
He looks at his watch.
PETROWSKI
He did however have a large
mustache.
MIKE
Facial hair, huh? In Russia of all
places. Impressive.
Petrowski looks at Mike, penetratingly, waiting.
MIKE (CONT'D)
Your story is finished? This is it?
A man with a mustache came to take
your dad away to fry his brain?
Petrowski shakes his head, almost without moving it. He keeps
staring at Mike intently. Mikes face suddenly shows an
expression.
MIKE (CONT'D)
A man with a mustache, huh.
RE: Help me fix this dialogue
I thought it flowed fairly well. The Russian jokes didn’t work. Also, the intro was the hardest part to get. Once the guy with the food left, it was easier.
How bout getting off all these antibiotics?
How bout stopping eating when I’m full up?
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05-13-2013, 03:22 PM Post: #3
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Does it make you want to read on?
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I can imagine some of the dialogue having more properly English rythms, but it’s nothing that couldn’t be worked out easily on set with the actors.
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Goddamn, man, I like this shit.
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Really? Awesome.
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Please point me to some stuff that isn’t flowing Anglosaxonically.
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I want to read more. Please post.
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Yeah that wasn’t very opaque. It’s kind of a lapse-problem that I keep having.
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JSS wrote:
Excellent realism.
The only tiny thing with the wording that disrupted my flow was Mike speaking in this manner;
"She's awful set in her ways
however so..."
Mike, being a "Mike", would more realistically speak thusly;
"She's awfully set in her ways
however so...
..unless he is supposed to be a hick.
But actually a great start.
My dad has this friend he called ‘Jack’…"
…could be interesting… Wink
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That’s a very good idea actually, very funny and ‘narratable’. Jack would need a Russian name… Boris?
I would need some specifics of how a Jack could be built (or conceived) with the materials (or knowledge) available in the early computer-age, right after Von Neumann and Turing… in any case preferably before '53… is this possible at all?
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(05-26-2013 02:38 AM)Fixed Cross Wrote:
That’s a very good idea actually, very funny and ‘narratable’. Jack would need a Russian name… Boris?
I would need some specifics of how a Jack could be built (or conceived) with the materials (or knowledge) available in the early computer-age, right after Von Neumann and Turing… in any case preferably before '53… is this possible at all?
Actually “Micheal” would be very fitting, pronounced “Mic-ah-eel”. Realize that his dad’s friend was an unusual character, not a native to the culture.
And that question leads to some very deep and interesting things. Jack could actually have been produced thousands of years ago, merely using people rather than a computer. And in fact, such an effort is what created all of the religions and political governing types.
The only relevant things that have changed in computers since '53 are;
- size
- memory
- complexity
- energy
- expense
Each of those must be either compensated for or hidden for sake of the story line.
Size; perhaps a large basement.
Complexity; isn’t an issue. His dad was a very complex person.
Energy; he had batteries that he recharged with lightening rods and wind generators.
Expense; perhaps he inherited money from a Czar remote relative.
Memory; this is the interesting part…
The only real difference between the digital world and the analog world involves memory. A digit is a quantized, anentropic bit of information. The universe is actually analog, not digital. But Man needs things to be quantized or objectized so as to be able to mentally work with them.
My theory back in the 70’s was that the future of computers is actually analog but Man has to go through a long digital phase in order to figure out what he wanted to do with the analog universe. Analog computation is much faster and more precise. But information storage and handling in the analog world is seriously tough. You are living through a temporary technological phase that leads to RM. Classic physicists were on the right track, merely overcome by practical issues which led to digitizing, sizing, and financial issues which led to commercialism of technology. And eventually leads to the replacement of the homosapian and all of his cultures… his dad’s dilemma (you really should watch the Terminator series and realize that it is more real than you think… in motion pictures, “traveling into/out of the future” merely means “looking into the future and/or projecting backwards from the futures perspective”).
Analog information is easily corrupted and nearly impossible to preserve except as either quantized bits, binary, “memory cells”, or dynamic sequences, “bubble memory”. A motion picture film is a combination of both of those, a sequence of quantized frames.
Jack is actually using the digital world to recreate an analog world, which makes it very slow. That first pic that I showed a few days ago was formed by displaying 3,000,000 objects. That is one reason that typical animators couldn’t handle it. But in doing that, Jack had to tell each object when to add what value to which other object and in what proportion. In the analog world, such addition is very difficult to prevent from happening automatically and instantly.
So in a sense, some aspects would have been easier in '53 than now. And when a particle formed, it would be a physically real particle, not merely a metaparticle formed of digitized and summed values (although both are actually real). And then as such, its anentropic nature would also be automatic, thus not needing artificial memory nor the time it takes to analyze the thousands of objects within it that make it up. The problem would be storing the information and communicating the images without recreating it from scratch.
Back in the '53 era, to see electric fields, one would use a electroscopes and cathode ray tubes rather than a flatscreen. Seeing the effects is paramount to the project. I suspect that he would gain an interest in the motion picture industry simply for that purpose.
And realize that Jack doesn’t use conventional computer methods… except when having to deal with conventional computers. Wink
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05-26-2013, 07:09 AM (This post was last modified: 05-26-2013 07:22 AM by JSS.) Post: #16
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Or if you really want to tap into the new age culture;
Petrowski thought that when his dad was talking about Michael being an alien from a different time, he thought that he was talking about a space alien. He later discovered (perhaps later revealed in the story) that he was merely referring to someone alien to humanity coming from a future perspective/paradigm/dimension… and the “he” wasn’t exactly a “he” in the conventional sense.
And the magic involved would be that, although totally naive to the world of Man, if given the exactly properly reported situation, whatever Michael images coming from that situation is always exactly accurate down to the most minute detail… hence the “importance of the information” involved.
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05-26-2013, 07:38 AM Post: #17
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I will be back to give you some ruthless tips, I havent had the chance to sit down and concentrate on art. Hopefully I’ll run into weed soon.
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Science is found in the question “how do you know?”
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05-29-2013, 09:01 AM (This post was last modified: 05-29-2013 09:03 AM by Fixed Cross.) Post: #18
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James, excellent input. Mikhail is actually not that un-Russian - Mikhail Gorbatchev… It’s a good name, the angelic association. I like the sound of it.
It would be very interesting to use some of the results you’ve had with Jack, maybe have these be the documents Petrowski has in his briefcase… Photogenetic images of whatever electrical process he had going. Then the mission could be to reconstruct these images with the information Petrowski can remember. It may be good to have Petrowski be quite simple, remembering things his dad taught him, but not in the right way, and a staff of the agency to try to decipher what was actually going on.
Perhaps Chruchev, who exposed the reality of Stalin, also put a stop to the program because it was ‘too natural - to beast-like’ or something. Considering here of course the ‘taste’ of a totalitarian organization - for them reality represents a beast. In this sense Jack, Mikhail, could be the object of desire for the audience. They want to ‘learn what Michael is’.
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05-29-2013, 09:29 AM (This post was last modified: 05-29-2013 10:23 AM by JSS.) Post: #19
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Mikhail was an expert at behavioral science and all affects upon affects.
Once asked, Mikhail imagined the incontrovertible soon dissolution of the USSR.
…the rise of a global empire…
…and its inevitable fall…
And in order to work out the details, he had to get more information concerning the present condition. In that process, he had to explain a little of why he wanted to know. The word got to the State that he was spreading rumors of the USSR having a weakness… naughty, naughty heretic prophet.
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05-31-2013, 08:56 AM Post: #20
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Excellent.
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This would be cool f you reversed the dynamic at the end.
So Peteowski actually ‘interviewing’ the other dude by acting kind of cliche, but then he reveals later on that he is looking for a quality investigator.
How bout getting off all these antibiotics?
How bout stopping
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Lol I need a cap that big
How bout getting off all these antibiotics?
