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The Terribleness of Man
I would like to hear your comments on the following excerpt.
Nietzsche Wrote:
In place of the “natural man” of Rousseau, the nineteenth century has discovered a truer image of “man”–it has had the courage to do so.-- On the whole, the Christian concept “man” has thus been reinstated. What one has not had the courage for is to call this “man in himself” good and to see in him the guarantee of the future. Neither has one dared to grasp that an increase in the terribleness of man is an accompaniment of every increase in culture; in this, one is still subject to the Christian ideal and takes its side against paganism, also against the Renaissance concept of virtù. But the key to culture is not to be found in this way: and in praxis one retains the falsification of history in favor of the “good man” (as if he alone constituted the progress of man) and the socialist ideal (i. e., the residue of Christianity and of Rousseau in the de-Christianized world).
The struggle against the eighteenth century: its supreme overcoming by Goethe and Napoleon. Schopenhauer, too, struggles against it; but he involuntarily steps back into the seventeenth century–he is a modern Pascal, with Pascalian value judgments without Christianity. Schopenhauer was not strong enough for a new Yes.
Napoleon: insight that the higher and the terrible man necessarily belong together. The “man” reinstated; the woman again accorded her due tribute of contempt and fear. “Totality” as health and highest activity; the straight line, the grand style in action rediscovered; the most powerful instinct, that of life itself, the lust to rule, affirmed.
[The Will to Power, aphorism 1017 (Spring-Fall 1887)]
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01-24-2013, 07:45 AM (This post was last modified: 01-24-2013 07:47 AM by pezer.) Post: #2
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RE: The Terribleness of Man
The overlords today are nihilist and have learned to nurture the idea of the new yes so as to control it. This is the sea of despair that the little Zarathustras, as you call them, dwell in.
Nietzsche gave us a good weapon for that, too. All that is needed then is to accept the conflictive nature of reality. Once that is done, the warrior can know himself, know his enemy, execute his will (as you call “it”). That is how man may be overcome. The sad reality, however, is that the nihilist lords have become quite effective at preventing effective alliances. In this vapiric mix, the Zarathustras burn brightly, die down, and end up some neatly-allocated where.
The last man is the man who prefers fancies to this undeniable truth, all too happy to follow tracks laid down for them. Are we to continue wandering about in the wilderness, or will we meet together to usurp the usurpers? Rebellion is the only way: and it is not the spirit, fire and conviction of rebellion that I invoke.
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RE: The Terribleness of Man
Apparently this site has forfeited it’s possible role as an instrument for rebellion.
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RE: The Terribleness of Man
Is that what you made this for, Fixed Cross?
An instrument for Rebellion against whom or what?
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01-25-2013, 11:30 AM (This post was last modified: 01-25-2013 11:31 AM by Gobbo.) Post: #5
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RE: The Terribleness of Man
The site is fine.
FX is just going through one of his episodes.
“I said I was going to get to your calls but…look.”
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01-29-2013, 03:57 AM (This post was last modified: 01-29-2013 03:59 AM by pezer.) Post: #6
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RE: The Terribleness of Man
"An instrument for Rebellion against whom or what? "
Nobody and nothing of course. You have only yourself to rebel against, W.C…
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01-29-2013, 05:13 AM Post: #7
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This site is less about rebellion and more about getting better as people. As humans.
It’s about overcoming the personal limitations you have that prevent you from succeeding at personal projects, or likewise from working with others.
The best way I know of to get better at life is to talk about smart things and hang out with noteworthy people. You cannot script this stuff. This is an experiment and we’ll just have to wait to see what happens.
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01-29-2013, 11:48 AM Post: #8
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(01-29-2013 03:57 AM)pezer Wrote:
"An instrument for Rebellion against whom or what? "
Nobody and nothing of course. You have only yourself to rebel against, W.C…
Why do you say that?
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01-29-2013, 03:35 PM Post: #9
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RE: The Terribleness of Man
Rebellion is, for us, a positivistic approach. What I mean by what I wrote before is that you seem to avoid conflict, enmity, manyness, game playing. Do you have no enemies, really? It seems you would have only yourself to clash against in your rebellion.
I agree, it sounds boring.
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01-29-2013, 09:58 PM (This post was last modified: 01-29-2013 10:24 PM by W.C…) Post: #10
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RE: The Terribleness of Man
I will there to be no conflict where I will it, and am able. Crowley’s plays just wore off fast; generally too useless for me and my wants personally, but they still at times hold their charm.
That said, my life is filled enough with enmity, game playing, double standards, power plays and the like to take the same to a place where I come to escape it and am actually able to discuss things at times – usually more thoroughly and insightfully relevant than the day to day games run.
You see, this place and others like it are much the same to in person chat, but dynamics are different. The whole approach is almost all in written form, where parties address one another on a turn basis. Life isn’t like that. You will have interruptions, distractions, this that, and you wont have the time to articulate and express everything you so desire as the time is usually rather short and, at least regarding the humanity I have experienced, people are rarely bothered to actually listen or discuss what you have to say.
I understand many would carry on their word wars on forums and the like, but I am too encumbered, I feel too weighed down by my life at present to give much of a damn to that in my ‘escapes.’
I will engage the power word reputation whatever games at times, but I generally will to avoid it when escaping, and in as much life as possible, unless I feel I can be taught something of equal value to the bother. It seems counter productive in general, though undoubtedly valuable at times.
I am just getting tired as well, I think. Churchy said something like that once. But I just don’t want to waste too much time, pretty much.
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01-30-2013, 01:08 AM Post: #11
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(01-20-2013 02:05 AM)Fixed Cross Wrote:
I would like to hear your comments on the following excerpt.
Nietzsche Wrote:
In place of the “natural man” of Rousseau, the nineteenth century has discovered a truer image of “man”–it has had the courage to do so.-- On the whole, the Christian concept “man” has thus been reinstated. What one has not had the courage for is to call this “man in himself” good and to see in him the guarantee of the future. Neither has one dared to grasp that an increase in the terribleness of man is an accompaniment of every increase in culture; in this, one is still subject to the Christian ideal and takes its side against paganism, also against the Renaissance concept of virtù. But the key to culture is not to be found in this way: and in praxis one retains the falsification of history in favor of the “good man” (as if he alone constituted the progress of man) and the socialist ideal (i. e., the residue of Christianity and of Rousseau in the de-Christianized world).
The struggle against the eighteenth century: its supreme overcoming by Goethe and Napoleon. Schopenhauer, too, struggles against it; but he involuntarily steps back into the seventeenth century–he is a modern Pascal, with Pascalian value judgments without Christianity. Schopenhauer was not strong enough for a new Yes.
Napoleon: insight that the higher and the terrible man necessarily belong together. The “man” reinstated; the woman again accorded her due tribute of contempt and fear. “Totality” as health and highest activity; the straight line, the grand style in action rediscovered; the most powerful instinct, that of life itself, the lust to rule, affirmed.
[The Will to Power, aphorism 1017 (Spring-Fall 1887)]
Could you explain to me what he is saying here?
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01-30-2013, 06:53 AM Post: #12
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RE: The Terribleness of Man
Maybe we should just avoid eachother… Your life and outlook sound horrible.
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(01-20-2013 02:05 AM)Fixed Cross Wrote:
I would like to hear your comments on the following excerpt.
Nietzsche Wrote:
In place of the “natural man” of Rousseau, the nineteenth century has discovered a truer image of “man”–it has had the courage to do so.-- On the whole, the Christian concept “man” has thus been reinstated. What one has not had the courage for is to call this “man in himself” good and to see in him the guarantee of the future. Neither has one dared to grasp that an increase in the terribleness of man is an accompaniment of every increase in culture; in this, one is still subject to the Christian ideal and takes its side against paganism, also against the Renaissance concept of virtù. But the key to culture is not to be found in this way: and in praxis one retains the falsification of history in favor of the “good man” (as if he alone constituted the progress of man) and the socialist ideal (i. e., the residue of Christianity and of Rousseau in the de-Christianized world).
The struggle against the eighteenth century: its supreme overcoming by Goethe and Napoleon. Schopenhauer, too, struggles against it; but he involuntarily steps back into the seventeenth century–he is a modern Pascal, with Pascalian value judgments without Christianity. Schopenhauer was not strong enough for a new Yes.
Napoleon: insight that the higher and the terrible man necessarily belong together. The “man” reinstated; the woman again accorded her due tribute of contempt and fear. “Totality” as health and highest activity; the straight line, the grand style in action rediscovered; the most powerful instinct, that of life itself, the lust to rule, affirmed.
[The Will to Power, aphorism 1017 (Spring-Fall 1887)]
hmmm… similar to the out look presented by The Stellar Man… That humanity only worsens or at the least remains the same as it ages only weakening itself as it grows technologies that do its work for it…
but surely there is the development of some out of the whole…
but perhaps it would be better that rather then manipulating our environment we allowed ourselves to adapt to it and evolve. using ourselves rather then allowing ourselves to atrophy by relying on what we make by hand…
Why do we do this but that we seek expansion and thus survival… that Human seeks survival… but then perhaps such sought is out of ignorance not seeing that life can return after death… and that perhaps a life on earth alone for as long as the sun allows would not be so bad… would we really survive as Human in space or still over billions of years change to something else… why not sit still for another billion years or so, that we have, on this earth?
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02-05-2013, 06:10 PM (This post was last modified: 02-05-2013 06:11 PM by pezer.) Post: #2
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It would be genius if they created new categories that bridge the gap they mention instead of just calling elephant people.
Like I said, though, the idea of reconsidering the philosophical status of animals is genius. These crazy new populists in south America really do come up with staggeringly beautiful ideas… It’s too bad they are mostly cover-ups for mass mediocrity.
Chávez, for example, formulated the idea of adding the political unit of a commune to the existing parishes and such, so that direct democracy over certain aspects of their organization as a political being would be given to the truly disenfranchised. In the end, it turned into a kind of direct Big Brother to The People link for the organization of militias and giving of goods (like fridges). All the functions of the commune are explicitly linked by law to executive power in all aspects. But the idea is fantastic, I hope it survives him; just like this one with Evo.
Indeed, now that we know the true origins of life, is there any excuse for the simplification of its organization in respect to us? We have the information today to start building a fully relativistic understanding of our world, which is the genius insight of value ontology.
I have not read him yet, which is annnoying, but I have heard that Deleuze’s approach is largely this one with respect to animals.
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(02-05-2013 06:10 PM)pezer Wrote:
It would be genius if they created new categories that bridge the gap they mention instead of just calling elephant people.
Have to start somewhere.
I get the idea that in the Spanish speaking world, a lot of sensible political initiatives are being taken.
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Indeed, now that we know the true origins of life, is there any excuse for the simplification of its organization in respect to us? We have the information today to start building a fully relativistic understanding of our world, which is the genius insight of value ontology.
Thank you. I mean it’s been a good while since I was reminded of what VO is really about.
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Bernadette was looking over her shoulder to the man making the noise on the escalator. He looked like a man but he sounded like a woman. His voice… eerie. She looked forward, Bernadette, and saw the train coming. She hurried down the last steps and was at the platofrm well in time.
The train passed all sorts of pasutres, fields, acres full of corn and endless rows of red, yellow and purple tulips. It was late in the summer. The sun set above a horizon muddled by flats and warehouses. The future was not set.
When the train arived Bernadette got up and offered her seat at the window to an old woman. The woman declined, and took a place at the isle. The young boy who had been sitting next to Bernadette now skooped over and smiled. Bernadette smiled also. She liked the young more than the old. Had more with them in common. She didn’t look at the old woman again. She got out and it was still warm.
The village was a few miles away, Bernadette had to take a bus. The driver looked old to the point of death. These sorts of people don’t usually drive public transport. Usuallty drivers are vigorous, life-lusty types. Perverse may be, but not weak. Bernadette felt not good sitting down in the care of this man. This feeble ghost. She arrived safely. She had forgotten here reservations along the way. The dusk had created a beautiful spectacle.
ILP content on the NWO front page?
I was thinking since we do not have the numbers by long shot to get content produced and selected, we could make a thread on ILP where we paste posts that we consider fit to put up. Gobbo would then be able to up there what he thinks is valid. I am comfortable with having Gobbo select what goes up, more so than myself actually. I am in favor of democracy of content and property but I am usually diametrically opposed to the democratic consensus. I allow this because I know consensus shifts with the wind, and used to seeing millions others tred where I had made a path earlier on. This runs from commercials and nike-trends to the iphone to philosophical perspectives.
I have a Neptune-Mars-Mercury-Vesta-Fortune-Pallas-Moon combination on the latitude scale, Gobbo has a Neptune-Mars-Jupiter conjunction on the longitude scale. I am an indirect, subtle agent of vision, he is a direct, Earthly one. It is by my subtle vision that I know to trust Gobbo despite the mistrust that his lack of concern about missing the mark combined with his constant stabbing at dangerous power structures causes in many and what is perhaps just my lower self. The Angel Gobbo exists. We are perhaps all to attempt to be as Angelic as possible. For this site to work. A war in Heaven! Alea Iacta Est!
We must invent a mask for the leadership. We must perhaps also advertise on other forums across the web.
We could set out a task for all moderators and request to members to each post about advertizements of this site and its plan on 30 different locations. It will require registering to many sites. I have created a persona on email for the end of being able to join everything as this persona instead of constantly referring back to my own name, which gives me a sense of solidity that I think reverberates via the value-reality into the intersubjective memetic structure of the internet.
This site has a powerful chart, it involves a hermetic pattern two Mercy-planets (Jupiter, Venus) with two Severity forces (Mars, Saturn) and adds to this mix Pluto, which is directly on Mars.
Well I got derailed there but perhaps it is interesting for some. This site feels like an enormous void, pure desire for content, which I am not even close at being able to produce.
Also, what is stopping the mods from producing content for the main page?
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01-30-2013, 07:21 AM Post: #2
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Where do you get your drugs?
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01-30-2013, 07:36 AM Post: #3
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I think this is your problem:
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01-30-2013, 07:48 AM (This post was last modified: 01-30-2013 08:01 AM by Fixed Cross.) Post: #4
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HAHAHA yes, well more or less. The spirit of gravity is this kitchen block. It resides within all of the onlookers. I did not make a bet with others that I could do this alone. If a couple of these crazies make a few steps and help me carry it, the “spirit of heaviness” would be defeated and we would be FREE! FREE! F - oh wait.
I get my drugs on a street called “The Other Shore”.
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01-30-2013, 09:33 AM (This post was last modified: 01-30-2013 09:33 AM by Gobbo.) Post: #5
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Anyone else catch this?
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Maybe I’m wrong, but I feel like the forum comes first, and the front page comes second. I’m not that worried about producing content for the front page if we’re going to attract mostly forum addicts. Like I want to, but I’m not in a big rush. It will definitely tie the community if we can get going, though. That type of thing is key.
I like the marketing ideas. Go forth and do that. You definitely don’t need my permission. I am going to take over the twitter, though, and I’m going to try and get super active with that. Pretending to be a girl is not a bad idea, but I probably won’t do that for the twitter.
I like the ILP thing, but it’s kind of underhanded to do that kind of advertising. Then again, their admin is never around and I don’t care what the mods think.
If we can get, in any way, any person to submit any content for us to put on the front page, then maybe we can worry about how, moving forward, things will be selected.
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Also, what is stopping the mods from producing content for the main page?
Nothing at all. I think people are probably just busy. I am trying to do all of this, and go to school while working. This will all take some time. As numbers grow, so will the desire to contribute and be seen by those numbers.
This is all a game of human incentives. No one is getting paid, so it’s kind of a ‘steady as she goes’ type thing.
“I said I was going to get to your calls but…look.”
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(01-30-2013 06:06 AM)Fixed Cross Wrote:
I was thinking since we do not have the numbers by long shot to get content produced and selected, we could make a thread on ILP where we paste posts that we consider fit to put up.
Why not? It might work, it might not.
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Time, inclination.
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01-31-2013, 10:21 AM Post: #8
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But why would we limit it to ILP? Posts, blogs, etc from anywhere should be ok, so long as we quote the source, and we can then add our own two cents, if so inclined.
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Yes.
Blow up huge forums like GLP and AJ with our name
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I feel like we should debate ILP.
I’m not sure where we would find judges - maybe Satyr or someone - but we should debate them on some sort of perennial conspiracy topic. Or something a bit more refined.
The point is, it would be nice to destroy their false confidence. Me and FX might not see eye to eye on a lot of things, but wanting to break out of this cycle of sameness is needed.
I’m watching him over there right now, and it’s the same old thing as it always is. We need to change this.
“I said I was going to get to your calls but…look.”