Rationalizing: How do we know for sure that we aren't?

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Re: Rationalizing: How do we know for sure that we aren't?

Postby Meno_ » Wed Aug 17, 2016 10:33 pm

One Liner wrote:Most of the time rationalizations are completely invisible and hence unfelt but, sure, sometimes some surface to our consciousness and create dissonance.


But some can cause consonance, are completely visible, even if, only felt, like in gut level feelings. To say most are of this kind or that, is a probability/uncertainty issue.
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Re: Rationalizing: How do we know for sure that we aren't?

Postby One Liner » Thu Aug 18, 2016 8:06 am

Reality is you will never really know and so is it wise to exercise caution?
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Re: Rationalizing: How do we know for sure that we aren't?

Postby Arcturus Descending » Fri Aug 19, 2016 3:22 pm

jerkey wrote:Arcturus, One Liner: Whether it is felt or observed, is a matter of gradient.
Both, feelings and observation relate to rationalizing, but one is compelled to ask, which occupies a deeper, or more central position.

Thoughts and images are closer to the surface, easier to access, they are more sensible. Feelings are misleading, because, verification is harder.

We can cry at something funny, and laugh at something sad.


Jerkey,

Yes, we can rationalize our feelings and what we seem to "observe within ourselves" jerkey, but does that mean that we will necessarily indulge in rationalizing?

Define "verification" with reference to feelings? Do you mean as in seeing that they have validity or that their - I mean are "real" and reasonable insofar as what has occurred within us or without us?

As for the last, that's possibly because we aren't taking a look at our emotions in the moment, what we are "really" dealing with.
Another defense mechanism? Repression?
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Sit in a cage and sing?”
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“Little Fly
Thy summers play,
My thoughtless hand
Has brush'd away.

Am not I
A fly like thee?
Or art not thou
A man like me?

For I dance
And drink & sing:
Till some blind hand
Shall brush my wing.

If thought is life
And strength & breath:
And the want
Of thought is death;

Then am I
A happy fly,
If I live,
Or if I die”
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Re: Rationalizing: How do we know for sure that we aren't?

Postby One Liner » Sat Aug 20, 2016 9:11 pm

We cannot rationalize feelings as such but we can rationalize our thoughts about our feelings.
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