Heart

I went through it once and dont plan to let it happen again.
Then I laugh out loud as I write that.

One Liner"

I believe that you are contradicting yourself here, One Liner.
First you seem to see differences and then you don’t.

Why would you see tragedy as a part of the “best things”? It may be one thing to be fatalistic and pessimistic but it’s another to view all of human reality and the human experience as being the same as you’re doing. You’re also taking the “individual” out of the equation. We become more like the Borg and less human in that way. But that’s just my thinking.

Your statement seems to me to be one of “living a lie”. We sometimes do this because we are afraid to face reality, afraid to see the tragic parts of our lives because of what it might do to us so we choose to live in our own little coccoons. The only thing is that we cannot begin to fly free like the butterfly does until we break free of the fear that binds us by looking at things rightly.

The only thing is that we’re unable to really experience the good and positive when we do this.
I think it’s just a coping mechanism. We all have them but some are better living tools than others.
If pain, loss, tragedy is the same to you as beauty, meaning, happiness, joy et cetera, you’ve missed the boat.

Arcturus, do you see yourself as a mother figure who knows what’s best for others and then lecturers them about what’s best?

Arc, at rare times, is rational.

This is one of those times.

If you emotionally relate to what she says then you will find rationality in what she says (I am ultra cool with that).

On the contrary, emotion doesn’t have to enter into this at least not for the most part. It may simply be my own subjective thinking (and her’s) but I think there is right reason there which is different than “rationality”.

I may be wrong but is it possible that you have cut off the emotional side to you in great detail - especially when dealing with certain things?
That’s also a coping mechanism. You have to balance reason with emotions. Emotions can be just as positive as they can be negative. They just need to be balanced - it’s like a teeter totter ride. It all just depends.

lol You might have said that you could “warm” to that. More emotion there. :wink:

What does “cool” mean anyway? You’re capable of accepting our way of thinking? That’s nice, One Liner. :evilfun:

One Liner is of the buddhist camp of “all 's good” nihilism.

When someone cuts his foot off, he just views it as part of the path to Enlightenment, and unusual, and interesting experience that God has blessed him with, as a form of intellectual entertainment.

He feels pain, but he doesn’t not know why he feels pain, it cannot be explained by science, it is a spiritual thing. Since it is a spiritual thing, it cannot be said to scientifically exist, and so, by his praxis, pain and pleasure do not exist, and are therefore equal, since they cannot be fully explained. This is most likely the root of his praxis.

Arcturus, yes you are wrong.

Lol, if it gives you a feeling of superiority, I can be whatever you want me to be.

One Liner

I’m a Mom and so it’s difficult for me at times to take off “that hat”.
Yes, I am a mother figure and a strong one at times…depending on the circumstances. Yes, there are times when I do know what is “better” for certain individuals - more so than they do ` just as at times there are certain people who know what is better for me.
Do I come across as sometimes lecturing? Perhaps that comes with the territory. Perhaps it is also at times because something is important to me.

The “lecturer” may also be one of the “hats” I wear.

What’s the difference between giving one’s opinion and perspective on something in a forum ~~ and lecturing? How do I determine when I am doing one or the other? I’d really like to know. I’m not trying to be cute.

Arcturus, did I ask for your advice?

There is advice, there is perspective, there is imput. At this point, I’m kind of at a loss to know what exactly you are looking for when you post.
Perhaps you and I need to come to a meeting of the minds.
Just what are you looking for when you post?

Show me an example of where I have offered advice to you. I’m not saying that I haven’t but you would appear to …I’m not even sure what you would appear to…lol

I have no desire to untangle this knot
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:laughing: Very good. As a metaphor, that knot is a good example of you as a one liner ~~ at least to me.
I thought at first that they were ear plugs, but since they are so entwined, I can’t know for sure. There would appear to be "something’ more there which might make them something other than earplugs but unless it is clarified, it goes “undetermined” (except by those who have knowledge of it) ~~just as one-liners might leave much to be desired in exploring truth. “God is love”; “life is pain”, for example…leaves much to be desired. Elaboration of necessary.

Could one actually “hear” and “learn” the music of the universe as they are in that tool’s image ~ in such a messy, gnarled condition?

I might think in terms of Philosophy when I look at that image. One-liners might not unravel it to reveal what it is in actuality. A one-liner might simply find its way to either its beginning or ending point but then what?
Philosophy to me dictates that that cord or wiring be systematically unraveled to reveal “what is there” and if it finds that it is not earphones, then it continues on by examination, exploration, questioning, to determine what it might be. What we see at first glance is not necessarily always what there is or what it is. So we look and look and look…

One-liners might simply be philosophical notions which are screaming out to be discovered in depth just like all of that wiring is screaming to be untied…just like the so-called Gordian Knot, which may be/can be painstakingly loosened though never cut ~~ but still ~~ all kinds of interesting things and truth is to be found in the “unraveling”. Why the chokehold?

Feel free to believe that I am lecturing though for me I’m giving you my perspectives and/or my musings.
Who knows but that perhaps they are closely synonymous. I do sense a difference though.
Beliefs are also a kind of entanglement when they are simply one liners.

When I say that “I may be wrong” I am not confirming that I am – just that there is that possibility. It’s keeping an open mind as to my fallibility. Basically what goes on here are perspectives but I do “see” things…some are right and some are wrong.

You, on other other hand, “absolutely” affirm that I am wrong but you give no reasoning for it - just that I am.
You have barely even begun to find the beginning or end to that wire.
It remains just as entangled and gnarled up.

Arcturus, don’t try to untangle something when you don’t have the ability to untangle it as you will make a bigger mess of it (as per the current situation).

Hope you’re on the mend Arty.

It’s in my nature to untangle things. What is life without its challenges? How do we know that we can’t unless we try. Trying is not lying and not succeeding is not necessarily failing. Failing is not having tried at all in my book.

Yes, in the real world, I have had entanglements like your image. Try as I might, I just couldn’t untangle it. Then I would put it aside until my breath lol returned along with my patience - and very often I then succeeded. Detachment works wonders.

I would tend to agree with putting things aside until we have a fresh perspective on things.

I am a mother too.

Really, are you Trixie? I didn’t know that you had children OR is it that you just didn’t complete your sentence, period or no period? :wink: