Islam = Discipline & Beauty

The formidable Angela Merkel has good things to say for our continents future.
We will all tolerate everything Islam does - we are after all strong, and this is what strong people do. We arent bothered when our citizens are axed - we invite more people with axes.

theguardian.com/world/2016/ … er-attacks

To create difficult conditions, this is the Nietzschean way.

Yoga” means Union.
Islam” means Submission.
Christ” means Anointed One.

What can we learn?

Humanity is to be United in Submission and thereby, as a whole, Anointed.

—Wash after reading----

[tab]A Holy Fuck if ever one was given.[/tab]

A Parable of Allah the Merciful.

I left the house and went down the stairs and saw that the gate to the garden of the neighbors was open and the container used for stripping the house empty so I climbed the fence from the halfway plateau and walked onto the containers edge. Then I saw a squirrel inside, trapped. It was trying to gain momentum by running through the filthy water on most of the slightly sloped bottom and jumping, at most two thirds of the way up to the slippery edge. I grabbed the nearest beam and placed it, and stood back so that the animal could find its freedom. [Nothing happens faster and more certainly and definitively than a creature of god rushing from captivity when given the chance. When a creature does not, it is not of god, but only contingent on creation]

I love squirrels because they are in my opinion the freeest animals, just like God loves man has his favorite animal. When I see a squirrel despair, I despair. So I reckon God feels for man - and in the same way that man possesses more resources than the squirrel, and the squirrel an get trapped in the ways of man, so Allah possess more resources to me merciful to man than man possesses for himself, and man can be trapped in the vast world of God when he enters places of it that he hasn’t been introduced to by his fellows. But God will still rescue him if he becomes aware of his entrapment.

But did the anguish of the squirrel reach my mind, prompting me to climb the fence, or was it god who put the impulse in my mind?

[tab][/tab]

Islam is the remedy for the undead god that has settled in the Socialist heart.

USA… USA… USA!

You, sir, are a genius.

Dumbing down your comments for the masses does not make me a genius.

No.

Like most religions, Islam do expect discipline from its believers otherwise the autocratic Allah [rather Muhammad] will not be pleased which is explicitly stated in the immutable Quran.
Muslims as believers by default MUST be biased, thus they obviously think their Islam is beautiful regardless of whatever good or evil Islam inspired them to do.
However in reality within humanity there is no real beauty from Islam. Rather what oozes from Islam [in part, not whole] is its significant malignant evil as represented by the following very glaring evidence; [29,106]

The above is merely one set of incidents inspired by Islam that involve deaths. There are many other sets of evils and violence in the sphere of social, cultural, educations, etc. committed by SOME evil prone Muslims where there are no deaths.

Btw, I am not blaming Muslims per-se.

If there is any beauty in relation to Islam, that is only apparent. In reality the beauty of architecture or whatever are due to Muslims who happened to be good human beings and are indifferent to the evil laden elements within the Quran [Ahadith and Sira] and the martial ethos of Islam.

Therefore that is no beauty per se in Islam. There is only a malignant evil potential within Islam [in part, not whole] that humanity must give serious attention to instead of being an ostrich to this evil potential as in the present.

In 2012 an estimated 56 million people died world wide (World Health Organisation) and so 29,106 deadly terror attacks since 2001 hardly presents itself as a major issue.

What kind of deflection and dilution is that??
You have a very low and bad moral sense.
Morally the killing of one human being is a serious issue.

Point is all killings [legal or not] and premature deaths must be addressed by humanity.
There are some killings we may have to bear with at present, but in the future humanity must strive to prevent killings to a minimum and if possible to zero.

Since this is a forum related to religions and this thread is on ‘Islam’ thus to topic we should only deal with killings related to Islam only.
What is pathetic is these killings are ultimately grounded on an illusory being [nonsensical thing] which cannot be proven to exists and is exhorting its believers to kill non-Muslims.

Oh, you mean this is a Muslim bashing thread and thus it gives us permission to quote figures that are meaningless and one sided in order to justify Muslim bashing.

They also kill Muslims as well so do not discriminate between the two

And non-Muslims also kill Muslim civilians.

This thread wasnt meant to be about killing, but about cultivating and building.

Yes, that is a somewhat novel and bizarre idea considering what Islam has been doing. But I base my optimism on a tremendously long term view, and some examples, rare, of Islam producing powerful art.

Art is literally the only thing that can redeem organized religion. And it needs redemption; bowing on a mat to give away your will is already a suicide attack. Its dreadful in the extreme. But Im trying, Ringo…

That knowledge requires the person to see architecture through their own eyes rather than through a photo (a travelled person).

Note I stated very clearly in my post earlier;
Btw, I am not blaming Muslims per-se.

I don’t bash Muslims and I do not blame Muslims directly for the atrocities committed by SOME Muslims. I do not even blame those evil prone Muslims who committed the evils and violence because they were unfortunately born with an active evil tendencies.
The critical root cause and blame are the evil laden elements in the Quran and within the ethos of Islam that catalyze and trigger the evil prone Muslims to perform their duty as good Muslims but those acts out in reality turned out to be evil and violent.

What I am criticizing is Islam in part, not wholly, i.e. the part that is malignant that trigger the evil prone Muslims to commit evils and violence around the world.

Why do you say the figures quoted are one-sided and meaningless?
Where are your arguments to justify your point.
Have you researched into those figures at all?

You stated in the OP

Re: Islam = Discipline & Beauty

It is rational for me to counter your point on its relation to ‘beauty’ and I am highlighting there are malignant elements in Islam that do not promote nor appreciate the ‘beauty’ you’re highlighting.
I have to highlight this point because your OP is not fully truthful in one way.

Note the cultural genocides committed by the Muslims of ISIS and other terror group.
My argument is the members of ISIS and terror group are more truer Muslims than the so-called moderate Muslims.

The difference is while the members of ISIS are good Muslims they are bad humans and while the moderates are not so good Muslims they are good human being where their basic human values to override the evil elements of Islam.

Thus I don’t think I am out of point in this case as in any discussion it is necessary to bring in other perspectives to the topic.
What I have done is to highlight various perspective to the topic but I am not going to keep drumming on the evils committed by SOME evil prone Muslims in this thread. [other than some side points with one-liner which is off topic].

In any case, if Muslims every produced anything of higher aesthetic values, it is not because of Islam per se, rather such higher good qualities of creativeness are oozing from their progressive human_ness that escape from the straight-jacketed constrictions of Islam itself.

What I was trying to do is offer Islam a way forward, by exulting its most significant virtue.
To take this path, this way forward, it would have to humbly focus on this most significant virtue, and at the same time try to rid itself of its vices.

With a similar mindset I responded to the murder by an Islamic man of filmmaker Theo Van Gogh in 2004, addressing the Dutch Islamic community with values that I figured back then would be compatible with Islam and also help it forward, in its struggle to assimilate to European culture.

This was the first result of that struggle.
vimeo.com/184585134

It wasn’t a success all-round. I did manage to infuse some of islam with some more Greek like thinking, but only marginally.
In the end, all that Islam has produced, in its short heyday from 800AD to 1000AD or so in terms of culture was a continuation of what the Arab and Persian worlds received from Alexander. It had literally nothing to do with the religion, all this mathematics and astronomy and chemistry, but only with Aristotelean and general Hellene wisdom that it received from the GREAT RAM but had to mask in terms of the religion.

“The ink of the sage is more valuable than the blood of the martyr” – Mohammed

conclude for yourself.