Clockwork Blue

Why do you torture yourself so, it weakens the mind.

Shieldmaiden, you crack me up.
Seldom I saw such a helpless creature.

I did not entirely expect this thread to be concluded in the favor of astrology this violently. Expected a bit more snags and resistance.

Well fuck.

HAIL JUPITER!

I would be much more impressed if Jacob had gotten the personality right of someone who just flew into ilp and gave his birth date…not someone whose personality and character might be easily intuited and gleaned as a result of so many posts.

Sorry, Jake, I’m a skeptic.

I’ve also had Chinese fortune cookies, which when opened, seemed to be on point for me.

Am I an arcturian, Jake? :mrgreen:

The thing is that we are all a process and we grow and transform into who we are - for a time anyway until that time comes when we shed our skin and transform again…an allegorical continuum as it were.

So Jake, at one time and who are we as we are written in the stars. (I don’t think I expressed that well) lol.
Do the stars know our individual personal history, all the decisions which we will make and all the thoughts which we shall have because of that personal history, all the patterns which are a part of us which will change and those which will remain the same?
One size seems to fit many when it comes to astrology. The stars do not seem to make many distinctions, do they, individually speaking.
I’m a libra by the way…Oct. 8th what does that say about me? Egypt and israel signed a “paper” under the stars.

rc, there is a common misunderstanding about what a skeptic is, vs an idealist believer. The former wishes to put things to the test. The latter just states opinions and think they carry weight.

I am the quintessential skeptic. I have doubted everything, have investigated all that made questions arise. Conformist religion that endures no burden of proof is what I am used to encountering precisely as a skeptic.

Look without expectations. Investigate what I did. Make judgments based on all the facts, not only the convenient ones.

Oh Value Ontology. How will you fare among nature, which after all likes to hide.

On your criteria, I did get the personality of the newbie MM right, it seems - as well seemingly as accurately reading the chart Magnus gave of this unknown person. These were the only offers I got to read people unknown to me. By your own criteria you ought to be impressed. But like most you are only skeptic where it does not concern your assumptions!
Very human.

If I my digress, and confess that this is turning out to be hilarious.
A magic user, with tricks, redirecting, telling the audience what it wishes to believe,
no more than the obvious
The best lie is not a fabrication but an exaggeration, hyperbole, inflating the minuscule into a monstrosity

Does not psychosomatic get inflated by a Christian into a miracle
so typical
The charlatan means to impress,
Flattering and remaining civil, telling them what applies to all, to some degree, only insulting when they reject his messiah complexity
Do not Christians condemn when a skeptics rejects their childish antics?
Useless they are to those who wish to evade detection and enjoy the fruits of their insanity

Revealed, and reveled, the nurturing effect inflated to overcome the dreaded naturally inherited
So desperate to accept the escape, that the slightest similarity is evidence enough to accept
A choir awaiting a maestro to sing his praise and to amaze

What is truly being said?
Nothing.
Still entertaining to observe crazy dealing with craziness in the asylum of Modernity
and those who crave power, cannot help but discover themselves through otherness
Idol-breaker made into idol, like Saul did to his own Christened one
He too, it is said, walked on water, and fed with bread the myriads
resurrecting their brain-deadness with a jolt of positive reinforcement

Little boys regressing to this…
dailywire.com/news/4780/deat … stigiacomo

Full of the bravado of adolescent energies, and minds of old ladies of a bygone era, wanting to be Napoleon, hand tucked comfortably in the breast concealed
out of sight
but only managing to rise to the level of Merlin the magician

All for fame and fortune…a king of men, and nothing more
How bold to have such low ambitions
same as all
Behold the coming of the Last Man
Fully adorned with regal investments and shiny ploys, pulling rabbits out of hats and other orifices
Impressing girls and little boys
desperate for fantastic toys

Mix up the cards, and pick one
Words applied with the careless ease of a charlatan
here in the loony bin
some of which with straight face have declared themselves deserving sex,
or knowing the answer to all, seeing into the mind of god in numbers
and all sorts of wonderful insane encounters
with profound detachments from reality
and what of the ones though MENSA
behave as no more than mediocrity?

What stars configurations must I need to see this right in front of me?

let him be king over this mess.

But oh, not of this world,
Did he reject both the most tempting offer of Rule,
And that he may keep out of the asylum.

Did he not declare lately,
The best minds of our generation
Go mad ,

So that all can be ‘sane’?

But they are not born mad
as their inheritance

they become so when dealing with insane maidens like those
who are taken by these games of the mind,
and verbal acrobatics with no frontiers to leave them behind to their deserved fate

No way out, means sanity must pretend to be crazy
suffering the price
for madness deserves sex, and love and yes, a VOTE!!!
madness deserves is fate
but protected it is from itself,
and this is too much to take

These minds determining the fate of mankind?
now that is so sad,
it is likely to make a man mad

Yes yes, such as those more than deserve it,
The world owes them encounters, even if clockwork be mere metaphors, a pan autofocus of an shift from blue to orange, under and through a lens of ultra violet and red, night vision in absurdly cast theatres of simulation, xxx rated and in the dark,
Where their fear of last call is negatived by this last
Stage of illusive sensation,

Don’t worry if you can change reality by the compensating ethos of preception’s obscurity,
Where you are able to change reality by simply telephoto tricks, and after all did not they say of the impression,
Esse est percipii?

Nothing is deserving hack
all is determined by the outcome

Boring you’ve become
stagnate
the same bullshit
to grow new flowers
with powers you do not have
but dream of

You take yourself as example
and think the other
is flattering self
when he speaks
and this is where you expose
and I see
you already told me this is what you do
and I simply read you
exposing yourself
to me
It’s damn easy

as if to speak of beauty one must be a model
and to speak of strength one must be Hercules
poor hag
with a magic bag, of words
words like the liars she falls for
hook-line and sinker
poor thinker
works she cannot define, but only wine
insinuating using them, as if it were enough
except for a simple duff

Simple yet profound through experience says Marcus Aurelius: an untested wisdom is nought.

Tested it is

And continues to be.
I’ve met all my major goals
Dear spinster dame

Everyday I watch and test…and this is why ILP is the best
A den of crazies all in one asylum
Openly displaying their insanity

a perfect place to observe and test

Bravo, I applaud you, the test is best,
Now we can drop all facade, well some,
&con tune you to the quest.

The facade was yours, not mine
and now you pretend, again
But I saw
Nothing like first impressions
a covenant of witches, bitches

You beckoned and when I finally heard your feeble whispering
gossipy gossips with your sisters
I came to cum and then some

and now you run,
as if you can redo and reboot

Dear spinster
patterns, not stars and clusters
are my guide
Patterns accessible to all,
readable by all
usable by all
the Devil is in the details

no preachers, no leaders
I seek men not wenches addicted to pretty words from ugly boys

be or-bie not

There ain’t no crossover between Real men and hopeless romantics say you ? I could’ve proved with bravado, some, sorrily reception is sorely filled with static. But that’s the limit of unkindness I would opt for at this time. Wench , sphincter or whatever, I still think amid the confusing inanities therein You a webful if not chalk full of possibilities.

By by blackbird, how many ways could you look at them

EE Cum in gs.

Jakob

I prefer the ad, Jake. The other takes on a different connotation.
I am a skeptic now where before I was far less of one. I think that like everything else, it’s a process of active consciousness and realizations.
Much of what goes on in this forum is based on opinion. How could this thread be based on anything but that unless you give me evidence to the contrary.

Well, I can’t say that I am the quintessential skeptic and would I even want to be. Not sure what you mean by "doubted everything. That could also explain a highly scrupulous person. But since coming to ilp and even before that, I have come to question many things which others take for granted.

Well, not sure if one could call astrology a religion, but again, where is the proof of its validity?
Perhaps astrology is like prayer in some ways. The belief of how one is written in the stars is the momentum which someone needs to re-order their life to make something happen - just as prayer is the momentum which people sometimes need in order to make something happen. Just that little push of belief and faith in one’s self and in a god… Does that mean that god answered the prayers? I don’t think we could even show evidence of that.

When I was a practicing catholic, I would at times agonize over the divinity of Christ. I believed in god but i just couldn’t grasp how that could be - so I fluctuated from belief to questioning to disbelief and back again. lol It’s always a good thing to have proof of something - the bible isn’t it and others’ word of mouth isn’t it and simply believing it, letting it go and believing in something, isn’t it. Where is the integrity for truth there?

Which facts are you speaking about - how close you appeared to have come in evaluating what the stars have said about the posters or the facts of how astrology can really point to an individual’s fate or destiny?

No, you’re wrong. But I will re-think the later. I realize though that we all have biases and assumptions and I’m quite aware when I am making them - I begin to intuit when I am making them since i know from my past history how easy it is to believe something based on a desire to ble happy, to be safe and secure, based on lazy thinking, not wanting to question and muse about things. We are all in that place at times.
Answer a question for me - do you not think that it would serve me far better to simply assume without any doubts that astrology is based in fact and “reality” ? Just like it would serve me far better to “believe” in some god as people do, even if simply as a deist, rather than being an agnostic and withholding judgment?

How easy is it when we’ve read our horoscopes about who we are to be impressed and happy with the positive things which are said about us. But in a sense even the negative things can be used for the good, if we’re honest enough to see them in ourselves.
But really when you think about it, I can see parts of myself, both the positive and the negative, in all the signs. I’m a libra, yes, and librans search for seek balance in their lives which I do. But what came first, my reading that sign and becoming impressed by it and trying to transform my life around it? Librans also have a great sense of beauty but are librans the only ones who value beauty and couldn’t any other sign if they are capable of it, value the same art, poetry, landscapes in nature that I do? We have to be able to see just as much as we can - all we can before making a decision or not deciding at all.

The end. lol

I think astrology works because of the same reason people criticize it: that it “gives you (only) what you already expect and want”, as people say we just psychologically validate and confirmation bias our way to whatever outcomes we end up seeing as meaningful… Yes exactly. Astrology is a highly sophisticated system for allowing us to mirror ourselves and “see what we want to see”, which isn’t a weakness but is actually a strength.

What do we “want” and “expect” to see? What we already are. Desires form far beyond what we are possible to think about or assume; we always know far more that we know we know. Astrology is a way of waking us up to this fact.

Derivative linear causal reductive logic might be all fine and good for the science of how to build a space shuttle, but we see all around us the disastrous effects of that kind of logic being applied to human beings. We aren’t simply somewhat more complex space shuttles, we have entirely different logical rules, different realities entirely. The power of the mind and emotions to influence reality directly is beyond dispute.

As with self-valuing, one must have faith to make use of logic that deviates from the standard positivistic utilitarian scientific approach, whether as astrology or philosophy or meditation or some other kind of “direct reality contact”.

Excellent analysis.
The hypnotizer has no magical powers. He convinces the “victim” that he is magical, that he has powers he cannot comprehend.
The victim places himself under his spell.

The method is one manipulating needs/desires.
The magician/priest seduces the other. A form of madness, such is lust/love.
The magician triggers in the victim what is present.
Exploits its presence.
Then allows the victim to believe it was he who placed it there.

Magic refers to the usage of words to trigger/direct/exploit internal patterns.

Nervous system directs stimulations from external sources (exoteric) and internal ones (esoteric) towards the processing organ, the brain.
Magic, as it is practiced by most, overemphasizes the internal producing a psychosomatic effect.
The external is selectively samples, to add to the method validity.
The external is the redirection of the sleight of hand magician.
The mind focuses on this external as the internal is manipulated.
Manipulation using words.
Inserting words as suggestions, stimulates these internal sources based on cellular activity, metabolic systolic diastolic rates, but on a shallower level it manipulates memories, emotions, sensations, feelings.
The words trigger these, and they come bubbling up to consciousness in a confused mix.
Unable to make sense of them the magician gives them meaning.
The mind grabs onto this, to save itself from the stress these sensations are producing in him.

Usually what has been repressed is what the mind could not process, could not order.
It is a source of anxiety/fear needing to be dealt with, or pushed back inside, repressed, pushed under the level of consciousness.
This may come forth in sleep, as dream, or express itself in obsession, sexual fantasies.

Magician throws words around, metaphors, insinuations, and one will trigger an internal distress, releasing these repressed sensations and the imagery attached to them by the individual himself.

Barnum Effect

Pathos,

Tell you a curious story, and it is not made up or anything but there is something to magick.

I was despairing of relating, and after 3 breakups and 2 engagements, headed into the bosom of the Wild West, away away from the constrains of the vast Midwestern plains. Was transferred from the military was one excuse to one in LaLa land, and to skip foreward a bit, found myself in prison. There, writhing over lost love, between heaven and hell and life and death, I asked deliverance, and in 1 month, was engaged and married. My birthday is 8/4, hers : 4/8. If that is enough, my badge of courage also consisted of eights and fours, with an occasional two slipping in.

Now numerology and astrology are kissing cousins and various schools of thought attest to this phenomena.

The scenario of infinity in terms of a psychic consciousness evolving over infinite duration, unfo strained by perceived limitations placed on travel through space, increase the odds of a satori like imminence all around the place, with no sense of discontinuity in the space between birth and death.

Here the karmic laws pervade, in the degree of association, disassociation, consciousness. That these forces do not intervene in the appearent, phenomenal world become of no surprise, since,
appearance and reality became fused and conflated, simply as the outcome of the merging , the construction of effects.

The cosmic color shifts in the hands of master craftsmen, natural artists, are too grounded in the phenomenon of color shifts, as they are the only vehicles by which the shifting large scale entities of galaxies can be apprehended and measured. For the colors to shift from red/orange to blue, there develops a method in the madness of becoming cosmically aware of how the shifts manifest gradual and not sudden detachment. Our awareness, loaded with archetypical perception, could not validate shifts, before this, and the logic of-philosophy mind saw Parmenedies as the winner in the contest with Heraclitus. This went on, until the reversal of types of logic of which the famous Renee Descartes expressed, and the new quantum world us of.