Can economics explain more than sociology or/and psychology?

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Economics is not the number one. Economicis is subordinated but also superordinated. It depends on to what and whom.

The spatial determinants of the economy, later becoming the economy of the id, has the closest relationship to almost pre verbal - perceptual approach to the utilization of space, value, and social relativism. Migrant society on constant move, then settling down into a bartered society, is parallel to the post analysis phase of behaviorism.

Analysis- psychology- has failed to account for large defective shifts in the accomoditative aspects of analysis,primarily, because of the increasing rate of change of the perimeters of the accelerating social change.

Therefore, the behavioris connected Skinnerian revolution as effected by a shift toward utilitarian principles, developed a causal ambiguity, as t whether which caused which? Did the use and utility go hand in hand in the developmental shift toward a calculus of inter-casual relationship between principles and their social-psychological effects? Or, I’d the principles of the deterministic relationships of societal-psychological movements cause the emergence of utility, use and spatial determinants? (Per Freud, Levin)

The fact that behaviorism displaced an unsuccessful psych-analysis, shows that the defensive posture of a displacement- failed to account for the shift as a socially determined movement, therefore the model of dynamic economy behind it makes much more sense.

Within the complex of defenses, denial is a cousin of displacement, as that which is placed elsewhere, (to the less then conscious) , becomes targeted at places of the weakest territory. Th weakness in the model of economic accountability as the major mover of social change, thus denies it first, because of institutionalized preference and prejudice, then such denial undermines the models-mathematical and spatial, protecting itself while destroying their underlying models.

Functional shifts are replaced by pragmatic ones, as a matter of effective political world view, and the last defensive program leads to rationalism per se.

Hence the circle is complete, the failure of analysis is prone to the charge of lack of insight, and the bypass from pre-figurative modeling to post modern spatial relationship is are accounted for in other ways.

Lack of effect brought analysis is replaced by lack of affect and although tree are certain credible notions connecting gross societal changes such as alienation-
for instance ‘The Otsider’, is a cultural phenomenon, displacement, fails to account for it in other than peripheral, patent ways, the culminative effect , is a discontinuing relationship with the cause. The total effect is the trend toward the failure of defensive structures, and the reductive shift toward the more primary defenses tending to displacement, within the literal , economic meaning of the word.

This is why mass exodus from places like Syria can be interpreted as the regressive psychological economical movements, based on anti-analytical, anti-psychological movements. The shift away from the person, the identity, the nation-hood, is the result.

It is at once, an individual flight away from its own raisin d’etre, the flight from the self, which analysis can not resolve. Therefore, the reversion to spatial determinants in economy, and utalization, can no longer be micro managed, it has lost its contact with structural basis,and social programs of control become the only way to deal with them.

This loss of traditional seem, does lead to occasional anarchic examples of outburst, and unfounded realizations of what behind the disassociated analysis, the vagrant always escaping from himself, does not understand why he is always on the move, from place to place, he leaves to leave himself behind, fearful to stay, lest his displacements ill ventually sink in the fact that he had lost control f himself to manipulation of the virtual of the real.

This is why, economy is moving a primary, regressed view of a basic, economic , spatially and literally determined social-psychology.

And explains more than philosophy by the same token. IMHO

YES… it is kinda frightening to see people follow the money, competing for the doom of mankind… and who are unable to take responsibility for it. There is nothing more irrational than repeating the same mistakes over and over and expecting different results. Competing to death eventually leads to the death of competition, and exposes the hoax that is psychology.

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The following problem can also be better explained and better solved by economics:

Money is the result of the effort to quantize, document, and manipulate power.
Economics is the study of social influence via money.

The affectance underlying all economics is the psychology of PHT - Perception of Hope and Threat (positive and negative charged influence/affectance).

Economicis is both subordinated and superordinated. It depends on to what and whom. Economics can both affect and be affected.

Economics is the study of the use of scarce resources. If you do not have a scarcity, Economics does not have anything to say about it. (Adam and Eve in the Garden of Eden had no reason to understand Economics.) Everything else falls form that. It does not explain sociology, nor psychology, instead it looks at reality from a different angle. Like a set of glasses that make the view clearer, but at times can make it more difficult, like wearing someone else’s glasses, or attempting to see a cell with a telescope. It is connected to Sociology and Psychology, because our society and our minds grew in a scarce environment.

As a person who is studying Economics in College, but who started out looking at a lot of chemistry books, there is a scary amount of parallels between Microeconomics, and Chemistry.

Now, Witchcraft, or Macroeconomics as some call it, was created by a mathematician, who at most had two economics classes in his whole life. It shows. Macro is amazingly mathematical, and in the same sense very separated from reality (note, all economic arguments for communism and socialism are macro arguments).

Economics attempts to use math to understand not just humans (which is simply its most common application) but nature and reality. Economic physics, Economic Biology, Economic Psychology are slowly becoming focuses because, they are a specific application of the two things. Expect more of this.

Econometrics is a hell of a lot of fun, and what every fucking sociologist and psychologist uses for any broad social trend.

The people we should all hate is political scientists… The bastards… ;-p (Note: no reason given, nor will any be provided.)

good, but do you see the problem with Keynesianism, the model of world banking destroying the planet and billionaires being just fine about it.

By a continuing process of inflation, government can confiscate, secretly and unobserved, an important part of the wealth of their citizens. By this method they not only confiscate, but they confiscate arbitrarily; and, while the process impoverishes many, it actually enriches some. The process engages all the hidden forces of economic law on the side of destruction, and does it in a manner which not one man in a million is able to diagnose."
John Maynard Keynes

Economics is the prime mover of society where psychology and sociology merely explains the behavioral implications of its effects.

I can agree with that.

And an environment of scarcity has behavior consequences and effects.

I see many problems with Keynesian Economics, but I’ll point out that even the Keynesians don’t go along with everything he said any more… “We are none of us Keynesian any more.” -Milton Friedman.

Inflation is one of the easiest ways to raise taxes without having to ask for permission… And that is just the tip…

True.

refreshing to see somebody on here who can understand the pitfalls of Keynesianism. On here or elsewhere. I find discussing economics with people who cannot comprehend ‘inflation’ (hidden tax, sure) nerve raking, to be honest, and considering what awaits the planet around the corner.

Never read friedman, just aware of his reputation, but von mise, hayek, rothbard,

I can agree with that.

:slight_smile:

Yes, but I remind you of the historical fact that Keynes was not the absolute winner of the Bretton Woods monetary conference. So the Bretton Woods system does not merely mean Keynesianism.

planet broken beyond repair… stable financial system??

If you ask me, then I answer you that the said financial system of Bretton Woods ended 1971, exactly on 15 August 1971 when Nixon relinquished the gold backing of the US Dollar. (And by the way: Keynes said during the Bretton Woods monetary conference that he wanted to relinquish the gold backing, but he meant the gold backing of the British Pound [ :laughing: ], and had no success, because the USA dominated the Bretton Woods monetary conference, so the gold standard was set at $ 35.00 an ounce, as you can see it on the table above.) Since the 15th of August 1971 the gold price and a phantom system of expectations of expectations have been exploding. Of course: it is an instable financial system, probably the most instable financial system of all times.

[size=85]Note: The 15th of August is also a Christian holiday, a Christian holy day: Assumption of Mary. :wink: [/size]

Richard Nixon in 1971 (!):

I’ve quite enjoyed the Hayek reading I’ve done, the fatal conceit being my favorite, and I need to do more Mises, and Rothbard. Friedman is sorta a student of them, though in a “idea whos time has come” sorta way. His papers destroying the theories of the great depression being fixed by the new deal are great… Mostly, though, I like his “Free to Choose” TV show. You can find examples of it on the Youtube. Its fun to watch (if you like that sort of thing).

Sure, many things are given to “his system” that he would never actually go along with. There are even interviews with Hayek, were he mentions that Keynes was “coming over to the other side of thinking.” Either way, it is the Keynesian system by terminology, though I suppose neo-classicists is the new name…

I stand with much of the problems with Keynesian Economics comes from a math basis. Things that work well on paper, theoretically, but don’t make much sense when put into practice empirically. It takes training in Economics to beat this into a persons head. (Or at least some good critical thinking classes, if I’m being generous to other fields.)

Also, a gold standard is stupid. (Simply put, it is an arbitrary set value that accomplishes little.) Note that the 35 an ounce has long sense been blown out of the water…

Bottom line: Government cannot mandate success, it can only mandate failure, all the little economic tricks people pretend are going to accomplish something come down to passing the failure to someone they don’t like politically.