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Proposition (1)

Postby waechter418 » Sun Dec 20, 2015 7:13 pm

All our deeds, emotions, thoughts, creeds – and whatever else we are trying to relate ourselves with – are expression of consciousness which thus exercises its possibilities in order to realize itself
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Re: Proposition (1)

Postby Zoot Allures » Tue Dec 22, 2015 5:56 pm

go on.
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Re: Proposition (1)

Postby Arcturus Descending » Wed Dec 23, 2015 7:32 pm

waechter418 wrote:All our deeds, emotions, thoughts, creeds – and whatever else we are trying to relate ourselves with – are expression of consciousness which thus exercises its possibilities in order to realize itself


Are you saying that they all take place on the CONSCIOUS level?
They are far more complicated than that, to my way of thinking.
What you seem to be saying is equivalent to trying to put the whole ocean into a paper cup or something like that.
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What we take ourselves to be doing when we think about what is the case or how we should act is something that cannot be reconciled with a reductive naturalism, for reasons distinct from those that entail the irreducibility of consciousness. It is not merely the subjectivity of thought but its capacity to transcend subjectivity and to discover what is objectively the case that presents a problem....Thought and reasoning are correct or incorrect in virtue of something independent of the thinker's beliefs, and even independent of the community of thinkers to which he belongs.

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Re: Proposition (1)

Postby Meno_ » Wed Dec 23, 2015 8:01 pm

The idea of making things very small, is a cosmological truism. Isn't it a fact that singularities ARE formed periodically, all over the universe? Therefore, all consciousness may be only a tip of the iceberg of subliminal stuff, which is HUGE!
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Re: Proposition (1)

Postby The Golden Turd » Wed Dec 23, 2015 11:10 pm

So possibilities are the subconscious? The logical unity of all we do is the conscious?

So.... where is the Why? Why is this so, How is it so?
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Re: Proposition (1)

Postby Arcturus Descending » Wed Dec 23, 2015 11:38 pm

Turd Ferguson wrote:So possibilities are the subconscious? The logical unity of all we do is the conscious?

So.... where is the Why? Why is this so, How is it so?


THIS is what he said:

All our deeds, emotions, thoughts, creeds – and whatever else we are trying to relate ourselves with – are expression of consciousness which thus exercises its possibilities in order to realize itself...


That's what I was referring to. You of all people realize that so much of our deeds, emotions, thoughts creeds can be more a product of our unconscious minds, driven by what we don't know or see, as opposed to our conscious minds because we do not take the time to reflect, think, doubt and question.

Exacty! Where is the Why, what is the root of it, where did it come from? Why do I think and believe this way?
That's not to say that we can't experience these things also on a conscious level but the question is how truly conscious of them are we?
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What we take ourselves to be doing when we think about what is the case or how we should act is something that cannot be reconciled with a reductive naturalism, for reasons distinct from those that entail the irreducibility of consciousness. It is not merely the subjectivity of thought but its capacity to transcend subjectivity and to discover what is objectively the case that presents a problem....Thought and reasoning are correct or incorrect in virtue of something independent of the thinker's beliefs, and even independent of the community of thinkers to which he belongs.

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Re: Proposition (1)

Postby The Golden Turd » Thu Dec 24, 2015 1:39 am

Read carefully, he Freudian slipped (since you know that term) and wrote out a cognitive feedback loop between his conscious and unconscious figuring, it identifies his most active aspect of the mind right off the bat.

In those books I sent you, what parts of the mind calculates possibilities, and what part makes and assets connective unity in things?

How man this person assert a sense of self from putting everything through possibilities?

Look it up Arc, work through this one. Why would my emphasizing "Why" matter here? It is a big hint in and of itself.
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Re: Proposition (1)

Postby waechter418 » Sun Jul 02, 2017 5:48 pm

Recommend reading: The discourse on Prajna (Mind essence) - by Hui-Neng

https://terebess.hu/zen/HuinengCleary.pdf
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Re: Proposition (1)

Postby waechter418 » Mon Jul 17, 2017 6:59 pm

Arcturus Descending wrote:
waechter418 wrote:All our deeds, emotions, thoughts, creeds – and whatever else we are trying to relate ourselves with – are expression of consciousness which thus exercises its possibilities in order to realize itself


Are you saying that they all take place on the CONSCIOUS level?
They are far more complicated than that, to my way of thinking.
What you seem to be saying is equivalent to trying to put the whole ocean into a paper cup or something like that.


It might help to understand oneself
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