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Can economics explain more than sociology or/and psychology?

Economics can explain more than sociology and more than psychology.
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Economics can explain more than psychology but not more than sociology.
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Economics can explain more than sociology but not more than psychology.
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Economics can explain just as much as sociology and psychology.
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Economics can explain just as much as sociology.
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Economics can explain just as much as psychology.
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Economics can merely explain less than sociology and less than psychology.
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Can economics explain more than sociology or/and psychology?

Postby Arminius » Fri Jun 19, 2015 9:42 pm

Can economics explain more than sociology or/and psychology?

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Re: Can economics explain more than sociology or/and psychol

Postby Peripheral » Sat Jun 20, 2015 3:24 am

Arminius wrote:Can economics explain more than sociology or/and psychology?

Please vote!

It depends on your definition of "explain." If you mean it can completely explain something, then it can't explain anything. If you mean explain something to a substantial degree, then it can explain many more things than sociology or/and psychology.
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Re: Can economics explain more than sociology or/and psychol

Postby Arminius » Mon Aug 10, 2015 5:35 pm

Arminius wrote:
James S Saint wrote:
Arminius wrote:
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Seems odd that in that picture biology and economics are on the same level. :confusion-scratchheadblue:

And where is Governance? :-k

Yes, but it merely seems so. I had to decide whether I name that system "economics" or "politics" or "sociology", and I decided to name it "economics". The word "economics" has its roots in the Ancient Greek words "oikos" ("house", "flat", "home") and "nomos" ("law"). This is close to "SAM", isn't it? :)

So the governance is in the system "economics".
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Re: Can economics explain more than sociology or/and psychol

Postby Arminius » Mon Aug 10, 2015 5:45 pm

Arminius wrote:And biology and economics are on the same level (2) and also not on the same level (II and III):

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Physics: 1a and Ib.
Chemistry: 1b and IIa.
Biology: 2a and IIb.
Economics: 2b and IIIa.
Semiotics: 3a and IIIb.
Linguistics: 3b and IVa.
Philosophy: 4a and IVb.
Mathematics: 4b and Ia.

1) Anorganic.
2) Organic.
3) Mental.
4) Spriritual.
I) Order (means mainly ordinary mode of being).
II) Matter (means mainly material mode of being).
III) Function (means mainly functional mode of being).
IV) Consciousness (means mainly conscious or phenomenal mode of being).
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Re: Can economics explain more than sociology or/and psychol

Postby Peter Kropotkin » Mon Aug 10, 2015 5:59 pm

It is of interest that two of our greatest ideologist believed that economics
were the basis of humanity. both Adam Smith (capitalism) and Karl Marx (communism)
believed that the key aspect of life was economics. Ideology means story or narrative.

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Re: Can economics explain more than sociology or/and psychol

Postby AutSider » Mon Aug 10, 2015 6:06 pm

Economics can be explained by referring back to human nature, and what is it that explores human nature?

Sounds like a typical reversal of hierarchy, looking at nature from the perspective of human social norms, instead of observing nature and how social norms emerge within it.

Unsurprisingly, appears it was employed by Marxism.
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Can economics explain more than sociology or/and psychol

Postby Arminius » Tue Aug 11, 2015 1:45 pm

Maybe it would have been better, if I had not used the word "explain" in my opening post. Economics, sociology, and pschology can and do not explain, ... they show, and they show what the common sense already knows (or at least: should know). Economics can show more than sociology and psychology together.
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Re: Can economics explain more than sociology or/and psychol

Postby James S Saint » Tue Aug 11, 2015 2:25 pm

Arminius wrote:Maybe it would have been better, if I had not used the word "explain" in my opening post. Economics, sociology, and pschology can and do not explain, ... they show, and they show what the common sense already knows (or at least: should know). Economics can show more than sociology and psychology together.

Well, that would depend on who you are talking to.

With RM:AO, Affectance explains all of physics, economics, psychology, and sociology. But it doesn't explain any of it in terms that are common today. Each of those fields can be organized in the exact same manner to include all of the exact same relationships within every field.

I see it as asking, "Which number system best explains the number 8, binary or octal?"

Of course when dealing with contemporary terminology, any field that has numbers associated with it will "explain" more than the others. None of the mentioned fields have a complete explanation for their field. Knowing WHY anything happens is essential and none of them are very good at that.

Psychology is harder to ontologically define and experiment on than the others. Then sociology. Then economics.
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Re: Can economics explain more than sociology or/and psychol

Postby Orbie » Tue Aug 11, 2015 3:30 pm

There are two types of economics, the well known kind, which pretains to the control of the materials used to feed, house, and support humanity, and the hidden one of Freudian economics, which deals with
the nexus of spatially determinitve and mathematically represented topicality of the incursion of the ID into the vestiges of the self. Since that type of economy is also as determinative and is classified as a psychological derivitive, it's safe to say, that the social-psychological factoring into the former type of economy is a matter of priority and focus. So the cosclusion in this way can be safely a mixture of aggregates of the above classificatios, with overlap, and focus upon the pre-pondrence of qualifiers within that particular assessment. That there are no clear separators between the groups, is a matter of conecture, depending on, the one which needs critical appraisal. That the groups are not at all absolutely exclusive, there is no doubt.

The same can not be said about the others: vis, psychology and sociology, since their appearant exclusivity has been pretty well estabished, although social psychology is a pretty well established study, it is not based on a double formulation, only a hybrid one.

Arminius You will surely find fault with this, but i assure You to Your merit in that case, that Freud was vague about this, as was Levin, in his topical assesment, based on a mathematical formulae. However, as theortical as it is, the intro into types of economies issuggestive. Nevertheless, it doesen't effec the vote, and is introduced as a way of reinforcement into the obvious explanation.
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Re: Can economics explain more than sociology or/and psychol

Postby Orbie » Tue Aug 11, 2015 3:30 pm

There are two types of economics, the well known kind, which pretains to the control of the materials used to feed, house, and support humanity, and the hidden one of Freudian economics, which deals with
the nexus of spatially determinitve and mathematically represented topicality of the incursion of the ID into the vestiges of the self. Since that type of economy is also as determinative and is classified as a psychological derivitive, it's safe to say, that the social-psychological factoring into the former type of economy is a matter of priority and focus. So the cosclusion in this way can be safely a mixture of aggregates of the above classificatios, with overlap, and focus upon the pre-pondrence of qualifiers within that particular assessment. That there are no clear separators between the groups, is a matter of conecture, depending on, the one which needs critical appraisal. That the groups are not at all absolutely exclusive, there is no doubt.

The same can not be said about the others: vis, psychology and sociology, since their appearant exclusivity has been pretty well estabished, although social psychology is a pretty well established study, it is not based on a double formulation, only a hybrid one.

Arminius You will surely find fault with this, but i assure You to Your merit in that case, that Freud was vague about this, as was Levin, in his topical assesment, based on a mathematical formulae. However, as theortical as it is, the intro into types of economies issuggestive. Nevertheless, it doesen't effec the vote, and is introduced as a way of reinforcement into the obvious explanation.
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Re: Can economics explain more than sociology or/and psychol

Postby Arminius » Tue Aug 11, 2015 5:20 pm

Mathematical formulae do not show and prove or disprove anything and everything. But mathematical formulae are very suited for economics, despite the fact that some of them are completely redundant.
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Re: Can economics explain more than sociology or/and psychol

Postby Arminius » Mon Aug 17, 2015 10:52 pm

Economic is both natural and cultural.
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Re: Can economics explain more than sociology or/and psychol

Postby LaughingMan » Tue Aug 18, 2015 3:03 am

Accurate economic models follow sociological and psychological models.

Why do you think there are entire advertisement firms that have departments dedicated to that stuff?

Of course any psychological or sociological forms of thinking that don't address socio economic pressures are flawed from the get go. That's practically a given.
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Re: Can economics explain more than sociology or/and psychol

Postby Arminius » Tue Aug 18, 2015 10:54 pm

It is the economic reality that dictates, for example the part of reality that money causes.
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Re: Can economics explain more than sociology or/and psychol

Postby Arminius » Wed Sep 23, 2015 4:20 am

The societies with the lowest fertility are not the wealthiest societies:

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Re: Can economics explain more than sociology or/and psychol

Postby Lev Muishkin » Wed Sep 23, 2015 11:02 am

Economics explains nothing. It is descriptive only.

It is a poor attempt to describe the relationship between money and resources in human society.
It is classes as pseudo-science as it has the appearance of science but is fraught through with ideological assumptions that are mobilised by politics to favour the sectional interests of the elites that wield them. It barely touches on sociology and psychology, but some of its data can assist in those disciplines.

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Re: Can economics explain more than sociology or/and psychol

Postby Arminius » Thu Jan 14, 2016 12:37 am

James S Saint wrote:
Arminius wrote:The societies with the lowest fertility are not the wealthiest societies:

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That highest fertility rate country is Niger (approximately 7 children every per woman). The USA has been very actively importing vast numbers of their people into the USA, giving them homes and jobs (can't image why :icon-rolleyes: ).

When was it?
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Re: Can economics explain more than sociology or/and psychol

Postby James S Saint » Thu Jan 14, 2016 12:46 am

Arminius wrote:When was it?

When was what? :-s
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You are always more insecure than you think, just not by what you think.
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It is not merely "do what works", but "to accomplish what purpose in what time frame at what cost".
As long as the authority is secretive, the population will be subjugated.

Amid the lack of certainty, put faith in the wiser to believe.
Devil's Motto: Make it look good, safe, innocent, and wise.. until it is too late to choose otherwise.

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Re: Can economics explain more than sociology or/and psychol

Postby Lev Muishkin » Thu Jan 14, 2016 12:21 pm

Economics, aka THe Dark Arts, is at the Arse End of pseudo-science. Sociology and psychology can help explain economic. Economics has NO explanatory power at all.
Economics is a process of data gathering and guess work that attempts to retrodict how these data change, but when it comes to prediction economics is worse than weather prediction.
A single human is less predictable than the causes of the weather, and since economics tries to predict the ativities of millions of humans and many other factors is the reason it fails against and again.

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Re: Can economics explain more than sociology or/and psychol

Postby Arminius » Thu Jan 14, 2016 12:34 pm

James S Saint wrote:
Arminius wrote:When was it?

When was what? :-s

When did the USA start to import vast numbers of people from Niger?

And by the way: How many have they imported till now?
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Re: Can economics explain more than sociology or/and psychol

Postby James S Saint » Thu Jan 14, 2016 12:51 pm

Arminius wrote:
James S Saint wrote:
Arminius wrote:When was it?

When was what? :-s

When did the USA start to import vast numbers of people from Niger?

And by the way: How many have they imported till now?

They were heavily importing during the 80-90's, providing $100k homes, jobs, and [liberal] voting tickets with instructions. I don't know when they started nor do I keep track of the numbers. In California, the Mexicans migrate in huge numbers to the point that in Oregon, even further North, rather than teaching Canadian French (a close neighbor), the schools teach Spanish as a mandatory second language for the children.
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You are always more insecure than you think, just not by what you think.
The only absolute certainty is formed by the absolute lack of alternatives.
It is not merely "do what works", but "to accomplish what purpose in what time frame at what cost".
As long as the authority is secretive, the population will be subjugated.

Amid the lack of certainty, put faith in the wiser to believe.
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Re: Can economics explain more than sociology or/and psychol

Postby Arminius » Thu Jan 14, 2016 1:30 pm

The Spanish speakers are more than the French speakers, and French is merely a second language, whereas Spanish is a first language.
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Re: Can economics explain more than sociology or/and psychol

Postby Moreno » Thu Jan 14, 2016 2:21 pm

Arminius wrote:Can economics explain more than sociology or/and psychology?

Please vote!

If I look at economics vs. psychology, it feels like apples bicycles to me. With sociology vs. economics I can see one swallowing the other more easily, sociological economics or economic sociology.

But with psychology vs. economics it seems we are coming at different phenomena, with overlaps of course.

If I want to know why Joe did something and not something else, in many situations I will get no answers from economics. Perhaps the category of people Joe is in, low income white guys with college degrees, will then give me statistical probabilities, though here sociology seems dragged in. But Joe as an individual, no. Then also all that Joe experiences, the sujective end of psychology, the interior side, would also not be covered by economics which is necessarily Behaviorist, or?

The same issues come up around interpersonal dynamics. Yes, explanations for category interactions - single working class guy exchanges smile with blah, blah women at bar....but again this is statistical. What Joe experiences and even does when encountering the woman at the bar can be guessed at, perhaps bet on fairly well - as long as one is a carefully better, has great statistics and uses a large sample - but it does not help me zero in on Joe.

Pscyhology also can do little to help with many of the patterns economics is focused on.
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Re: Can economics explain more than sociology or/and psychol

Postby Arminius » Sun Feb 07, 2016 12:10 am

If we hold mathematics up as an example of measuring how much can be explained, then we can say: economics means much mathematics with many formulas and not merely statistics, whereas psychology and especially sociology mean almost no mathematics except merely some formulas and statistics.
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Re: Can economics explain more than sociology or/and psychol

Postby Mictlantecuhtli » Sun Feb 07, 2016 1:16 am

Arbiter of Change wrote:Economics can be explained by referring back to human nature, and what is it that explores human nature?

Sounds like a typical reversal of hierarchy, looking at nature from the perspective of human social norms, instead of observing nature and how social norms emerge within it.

Unsurprisingly, appears it was employed by Marxism.


Market economics is a complete fiction and construct especially concerning traditional social hierarchy. There is nothing natural about it and it is all built upon bullshit obfuscations or assumptions of human nature.
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