Will there be war in Europe before 2050?

Orbie · August 6, 2015, 6:36am

You’r implying, Arminius, that the city of London, by seeingthings differently knew something, that London and England didn’t. And i am going siply from not presupposing anything else. Just a deduction from Your correspondence. Is there more, that i can look up somewhere, whre the fact of this exclusivity by the City of London, pretains , and how it pretains to
a different view of the what was coming?

Orbie · August 6, 2015, 6:37am

Sorry double posted.

Orbie · August 6, 2015, 6:46am

Arminius, all i could get on this, is, that Operation Sea-Lion’s intended target WAS the City of London.
I presume, it’s objective was to de-moralize the people living there, and being the Capital, major re-precussions would have surely followed, If -, and this
is tenious, the Luftwaffe had not been so severly devided, due to Goering’s fear of Hitler, then perhaps it could have gone done differently. But this
is still a very dubious If the air command did not do
much damage to Britain’s heavy industyn whatever, and Churchill was very good at speches, just like Hitler, with his rousing speeches, thereby canceling
the intended effect of a campaign of fear.

zinnat · August 7, 2015, 4:25am

Yesterday, I came through this, which again confirms my opinion about how Europeans think about Americans.

Glad you asked. I grew up in the States, and I have lived here in Europe for the past 14 years, so I think I might be able to answer your question.

First of all, if you are talking about GDP per capita, then the US clearly does not hold first place. That honor goes to Luxembourg, where I live (see List of countries by GDP (nominal) per capita ). The US ranks 10th in the world.

Furthermore, it’s not too hard to have the highest GDP in the world when you print the world’s reserve currency. This has more to do with winning WWII than it does with the average IQ of the nation.

Now, here are some reasons:

In the US, more than half the population (depending on the poll) rejects evolutionary theory in favor of the explanation offered by whatever religious group they happen to belong to. This number is higher by far than in any other industrialized nation. Likewise, climate change is still discussed as if the reality of it is an open question.

Most high school students can barely be called that, as they expend most of their energies socializing, attending pep rallies and sporting events, selecting the most qualified candidates for student government, and hanging out of their phones. Every college-bound European student, by contrast, must necessarily complete a BAC, a rigorous program that is equivalent to about two years of college in the US. School has no other function than to educate.

In Europe, it is acceptable to have a conversation about some aspect of philosophy, art, or history at a keg party. In the US, raising such a topic is more likely to elicit blank stares and derision.

Americans seem obsessed with making money. This might go some way to explaining the “highest GDP” claim, and it also explains the general lack of sophistication among Americans regarding non-lucrative subjects such as math, history, arts, culture… etc. In the US, the question of how this or that education will lead to more money is raised constantly. I suspect it won’t be long before the subjects above are simply cut from high school curricula.

Every European nation (save a few such as Luxembourg) is embarrassed to consider itself to be the worst at languages. By this they mean that they have difficulty expressing complex ideas in a foreign language. In the US, speaking only English (and just barely even that) is considered a point of pride.

The US seems like a cultural wasteland to Europeans, who are used to thousand-year-old cities, museums of art and history, and cultural events in the streets. When Europeans visit the US, they tend to ignore the cities (save New York) in favor of that natural splendor of Yosemite or the Grand Canyon.

The images projected by Americans brands overseas are generally devoid of any intellectual aspiration. Disney, Coke, McDonald’s, Marlboro, most Hollywood movies, much of pop music… all of them seem to cater to the lowest common denominator.

Europeans value careful deliberation and subtlety in thinking. Americans are perceived as being slow to think and quick to act.

Americans are seen as loud and proud. They can be obnoxious, and have a bizarre tendency to claim to be “the best country in the world” (viz. this question). The flagrant nationalism and frequent assertions of being “the best” strikes Europeans as conceited and undignified.

A vast majority of Americans (about 80%) have never traveled beyond their borders, and many don’t seem to care to.

The virulent religiosity that is pervasive in society. Europeans think it’s weird the way we write “In God we Trust” on our money… and now, on police vehicles.

The food, which is perceived as utterly unsophisticated, if not total junk. This may largely be due to the fact that international brands like McDonald’s and Pizza Hut are the only exposure many Europeans have to American dining habits, but I think there is some truth to it.

Guns. While I will reserve my opinion on this topic, I can say that that most Europeans unequivocally see no purpose in allowing citizens to carry guns. They see the US as a gun-crazed, violent place where gangs and deranged high schoolers shoot at random people for fun. Huh, blame Hollywood, I suppose.

Individualism is central to the prototypical American value system. In many parts of Europe, this word is conflated with egocentrism and antisocial behavior. (This observation isn’t so much about perceptions of American stupidity, but it bears mentioning just because it is such a fundamental difference in culture.)

Yes, I’ve been tremendously unfair, and I know it. Stupidity is about evenly distributed in the world, and to be sure, we have our share here, too. To be fair, one could easily make an equally long list of American perceptions of European stupidity.
But Americans have their own special brand of it.

One could also just as well make an equally long list of perceived traits that Europeans respect and admire about the US. Maybe I’ll get to that later.

One more thing:
It’s been noted that it would be impossible to include all of Europe in any such analysis. My experience is mostly with Western Europe, mainly Luxembourg and the countries surrounding it: France, Germany, and Belgium. I’ve also known quite a few Spanish people here.

I’ve counted a fair number of Brits among my friends and acquaintances, too, but I don’t include them as part of “Europe” for this exercise. I consider their culture to be situated somewhere between the US and continental Europe.
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For the record, whatever this gentleman has said above, is not my opinion. I am just quoting him to explain how an average or at least some Europeans think about US.

With love,
Sanjay

zinnat · August 7, 2015, 4:42am

But, I will certainly agree with this person about the understanding and the use of the English language by Americans.

During my interactions at ILP and some other similar sites, I think that most Americans tend to use very intruded and confused English, though they think they are doing it perfectly.

I am not an expert of English either, but I never feel any problem in understanding what is being said by others, except when I come across to American English at fourms.

With love,
Sanjay

Orbie · August 7, 2015, 6:55am

But to defend them by way of some latitude, Americans are throroughly wholesome, and modern at the same time. They invented jazz, and the American in Paris may turn ugly American, but there is a sad detachment about them from the world stage, they inscibe themselves within their own psyche, and go out of their way to reaffirm their own sense of social reality , as a function of ther ‘being in the world’ They can boast of theor territory as extending from sea to shining sea, and of ushering revolution into a unsupportable regal world. Their lack of depth, is commesurate with modernism, their art reflects it, and there is a freshness, a naivety that is at once signifies the perfrct idiom of the self made man, while at the same time, constructing a pathos within the kernel of their edifices. This includes the psychic ones, and here, the meaning is justifyably one, with the idea of prefab, and pre-planned obsolescence. To justify it, they point to the tremendous lack of cost effectiveness in keeping up the appearance of edifices, long ago devalued, and prostituted by vulgar tourism.

Innovice · August 7, 2015, 7:17am

Sometimes it seems like I have correctly predicted the future. Other times, it seems like I got it wrong.

I have no idea

Arminius · August 7, 2015, 7:33am

@ Orbie.

The City of London was a a very special target during the Second World War.

Orbie · August 7, 2015, 10:41am

agreed. But it was too bold of a strike. It’s like striking Berlin in the beginning of the struggle. Doesen’t make much sense, cause the Ruhr was much more strategic. The political elite were all in underground bunkers, anyway. There would have been only human, civilian casualty. The fear factor, tht’s it. To make civilians shudder, and somehow make them tremble, but the same went for the Royal Family. They were nowhere near danger.

Arminius · August 7, 2015, 12:24pm

The royal family was no target.

Arminius · August 16, 2015, 8:57pm

[size=109]GDP density (GDP per km²):[/size]

[size=109]GNI per capita based on PPP:[/size]

[size=109]For comparison:
The per capita income in the provinces of the Roman empire in 14 AD:[/size]

Arminius · September 7, 2015, 11:32pm

I want to give you some links, because they may be interesting for this thread too:

Orbie · September 8, 2015, 2:51am

They may or may not have been, however, hitting them would have caused enormous psychological and political damage. The same way, that HitlerWAS definitely a target. He was even a target of his own inside military group.

monad · September 11, 2015, 12:15am

Re OP

That depends what the Muslim majority in Europe, especially the future Germanistan, eventually decide . Therefore, I would have to say, extremely likely.

Arminius · September 20, 2015, 2:55am

Some geographical facts and data and also some statistical data referring to the muslim Immigration to Europe (basic year: 2010).

Northern Europe includes 13 countries and territories: Channel Islands, Denmark, Estonia, Faeroe Islands, Finland, Iceland, Ireland, Latvia, Lithuania, Isle of Man, Norway, Sweden and United Kingdom. Western Europe includes nine countries and territories: Austria, Belgium, France, Germany, Liechtenstein, Luxembourg, Monaco, Netherlands and Switzerland. Southern Europe includes 17 countries and territories: Albania, Andorra, Bosnia-Herzegovina, Croatia, Gibraltar, Greece, Italy, Kosovo, Malta, Montenegro, Portugal, Republic of Macedonia, San Marino, Serbia, Slovenia, Spain and Vatican City. Eastern Europe includes 11 countries and territories: Belarus, Bulgaria, Czech Republic, Georgia, Hungary, Moldova, Poland, Romania, Russia, Slovakia and Ukraine.

France’s Muslim population is expected to climb from 4.7 million in 2010 to 6.9 million in 2030. Germany’s Muslim population is expected to increase from 4.1 million to 5.5 million during this period. Although Italy, Sweden, Spain, Belgium and Austria have smaller numbers of Muslims than the U.K., Germany and France, their Muslim populations are forecast to grow significantly in the next 20 years. The Muslim populations in Italy and Sweden are projected to more than double in size, while those in Spain, Belgium and Austria will likely increase significantly.

Though Ireland has a relatively small Muslim population, it is expected to have the largest percentage increase in Europe in the number of Muslims. Its Muslim population is projected to increase by almost 188%. Other European countries expected to have percentage increases of more than 100% include Finland, Norway, Sweden and Italy. Countries projected to have percentage increases of 50-100% include the United Kingdom, Spain, Belgium, Austria and Switzerland. The Republic of Macedonia is projected to have the largest increase in the portion of its population that is Muslim. By 2030, Muslims are expected to make up 40.3% of Macedonia’s population, up 5.4 percentage points from 2010 (34.9% Muslim). In Sweden, the Muslim share of the population is projected to increase by five percentage points, from 4.9% in 2010 to 9.9% in 2030.

Muslim populations in Europe today are more youthful than their non- Muslim counterparts:

See also: pewforum.org/interactives/mu … n-graphic/ .

Source: pewforum.org/2011/01/27/futu … nal-europe .

Arminius · September 23, 2015, 3:16am

The societies with the lowest fertility are not the wealthiest societies:

Red_Skull · November 12, 2015, 1:08pm

Yes, and the United States through NATO will be the direct cause of it.

Arminius · January 8, 2016, 11:56pm

Did the US or the EU or the communist Merkel (CDU = Communistic Dictatorship Union) herself already bring the war to Europe by letting the islam-fascistic conquerers in?

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James_S_Saint · January 9, 2016, 8:12am

The question isn’t whether there will be a war or when. There is always a war in Europe. The real question is WHAT KIND of war. Modern war isn’t what it used to be. I don’t think Europe could fight a modern military war (which might be a good thing).

Arminius · January 9, 2016, 11:50am

The European fight modern military wars all around the world, but they do it not on their own but in function of the USA as the leader of the NATO. And the Europeans have been forgetting to defend Europe for so long (too long?).