It was said in the other thread on this topic that Lys/Satyr have a tendency to explode when they feel threatened, pumping the forum full of incoherence in terms of mass quotes. Its relevant apparently, in the sense of on topic, but isn’t even trolling properly, but rather qualifies a mass spam attack. There is a threshold for absorption of data, and it goes down when its not original data, they are clearly aware of this effect and so need to be banned for a while. I’m historically very pro free speech, always was for Satyr returning, not completely convinced Lys is even a real person… but yeah, mechanically flooding the site to the point people can’t read anymore is wrong, as its intentionally murdering the discussion for the protection of ego. Can a egoist engadge in a philosophical discussion? Yes, but the risk is this: Once it starts to hurt your security or sense of self, you can go close quarters or back off and quit, but you really don’t have the right to evade and make a mockery of discussion. You put your ego on the line, its fair game. Its why in the US the right of privacy doesn’t fully extend to public or famous figures, as free speech isn’t just about the exchange of ideas, but the worth of such ideas by examining the kind of individual who puts it forth. Saul had a hard time as Paul, convincing people he had a authentic experience, Hieddegar will never be accepted as a legitimate philosopher due to his Esoteric Nazi Theology role.
So yeah, reinstate them after a few months. Outside of Satyr, I’m probably the most banned member of this site (I recall I actually complied with the bans against me when Joker and I was banned roughly the same time, but Joker came back much earlier with a different account).
I and SIATD are about the only ones ironically who respected the bans, and the latter was permabanned. In my case, not a single ban was legitimate, yet I followed through.
Its obvious the ban system doesn’t work too well here. Yet, mechanical spamming does need to be countered, so short bans are appropriate.
And someone mentioned I was a KTS member… I have a whopping total of two posts over there. This Turd is Carleas’ Turd, homegrown and unflushable. Don’t go blaming me on another forum, I’m very much a phenomena of this site alone.
Honestly, the spam issue needs resolved. We can’t invite her back until that technical detail of her(his) goes away. That was the only real problem I recall Carleas/Only Humean had (outside a natural disgust and loathing for Satyr, which is very healthy, and sane, and hardly contradicts logic… there are rules to logic, but overwhelming loathing and disgust for a individual is an aspect of the A Priori Natural Law already existing, and needs not be formally stated, as far as community organization is concerned. It is natural to desire to exclude the sick headed twisted fucks, it is TOLERANCE- the philosophical virtue we adopted under Aristotle for accepting Philosophers come under unexpected and disorderly modes.
Satyr can be completely wretched, disgusting, fucked up… but the injunction to tolerance as philosophers, the requirement to open mindedness, only applies if they can show themselves to be philosophers. Diogenes was accepted because he was a great mind, who engaged and debated, inquired and sought less savory truths. Diogenes would of been rejected outright had all he done behaviorally was absurd and disgusting, without hint of a deeper motive of creed, much less intelligence.
The Spam they can put out sounds a lot like the latter. It is therefore not a contradiction of asserted A Priori structured Rules to act outside of the scope of logic, as Natural Law preexisted the rules in the first place. The extremes, demanding everyone falls under a single kind of comportment, accept virtually identical (and unnatural) logical fallacies is likewise equally invalid as its against the natural law, as only a subset of the population can fall under the sway of this thought, and most of the philosophers produced in history worth discussing would be excluded.
I don’t therefore, think they have to change that much. They do need to be more honest in how they approach the dialectic. Spamming is bullshit, its only valid as a military tactic, to block communications. Communications is vital in philosophy.
