Arc.

Emmm… no. Not at this site.

As much as I abhor bad moderating and presumptuous judging, I have found very little “no excuse banning” here (none in fact). The reasons might not always be just, but to say that they just suddenly ban someone without any notice or reasoning, is either getting ridiculous or proclaiming that they are FAR more clever about it than I see. Granted I am not omniscient, but then again, neither are they omnipotent.

Hell, Carleas would have banned me years ago if he didn’t feel an urge to be just to at least a minimal degree. I certainly tempted him.

I wasn’t banned, CN. But i did learn a little bit more about myself - I have to become a bit more flexible at times.
Then to top it all off, I was locked out of my yahoo account. Trying to get back in there and proving you are who you say you are is almost like fighting city hall. If I didn’t know better, I’d say the universe is trying to send me a message. But I do know better.

Victim?: I choose not to consider myself one. When we feel that we’re victimized, we usually want to lash out and try to victimize others. The thing to do? - become the Phoenix.

Thanks Carleas. It took me awhile before I got your message but that wasn’t your fault - it was mine and yahoo’s.
By the way, good luck - though not much of that is needed but a lot of time and energy…

Arc

In your dreams.

I ban the least out of all the mods, you dick.

That hurt my feelings, I’m reporting you to Satyr.

Magsj, I must say that is true.
But, i would not say that it is the wisest thing to do all the times for any mod/authority.

[b]Not exercising one’s authority at the right moment and in the right way also is not the lesser mistake than exercising one’s authority at the wrong time and in the wrong way too. The only exception is allowed when it comes stictly to point when the judge is not sure about the accused in either way. Only then, the accused may be given the benifit of the doubt. That is how it should be.

Being fair simply means being fair and right in judgement all the time, not being liberal or ignoring lesser crimes/mistakes.[/b]

And Magsj, i am saying this keeping you or any other mod in the mind but in general.

with love,
sanjay

That is true and i must say that the moderation at ILP is better than its many counterparts.
The only objection i have that ILP does not care much about the civility in the language and allows many such terms/words which should not be allowed in philosophy.

Perhaps, the reason is that majority of its members are from US, where such words have been become the essential part of public discourse, thus this phenomenon does not pinch in their eyes.

with love,
sanjay

What terms/words would you have stopped?

Dick, asshole, what a fuck, fucking argument, bitch, whores etc.

I think that is enough.

with love,
sanjay

You know I didn’t mean it really

Sanjay, those are fairly mild.
What would you substitute?
Also do keep in mind the masks humans wear.

Have you thought about how this relates to you mind thread in the psychology department, sanjay? If we were to do a unfortunate thing, and cut out cursing, we would lose the apparatus in the mind that governs cursing, and the segway it allows to other forms of rhetoric, and therefor other forms of logic never easily approached using more mundane, off topic, yet polite forms of speech.

Take the accidental ass licking quote… where did it lead? It lead to deadlock by the very user who posted it, causing him to give up and reassert himself more indepth in another thread… the entire two threads were designed to elicit a certain kind of response, presented by user A to user B, but user B counterintuitively wholly accepted everything at face value, user A couldn’t adapt and turned inwards for a explanation and justification.

Look at the very meaning of the title for that thread you quoted from, and see how it evolved in the next thread he continued in… it ironically was fulfilled, on his end. We never would of hit this level of catharsis and honesty had we stuck to orthodox use of syllogisms.

And there is no underlining dharma for moderators, other than spambots. It’s what they make of it, and the population. If this was a childrens website… yes, as protection of children is valued, but protecting philosophers from dialectics is usually unwise… though even I could see exceptions being made, case by case… if it ceased being philosophical and turned into pure trauma.

The rhetorical forms are not fixed in the west, and there isn’t a overvalued, sacrosant core to debate. Many tried to institute them… church enforced orthodoxy, academics logical fallacies, the courts an impersonal empiricism… but nothing really dominates, each has obvious weaknesses, and we collectively rip at them. It’s because, we know they aren’t full systems, and have a largely bullshit basis when evading others forms of thought, affirming itself without justification.

Kris,

That is exactly what i was saying.
Ideally, what should be considered as indecent and vulgar, is defined as fairly mild by you.

See. Enviornment has been changed the definitions.

And, you know the substitute. It is obvious and quite simple to implement but it would attract a lot of resistence.
Habits die hard, whether good or bad.

with love,
sanjay

Its not a habit we are considering, but the paradoxical foundations of a pleasant and mild manner philosophy in seeking out its opposite unconsciously. Take the high and noble speech used on Satyrs site… he emphasizes Epicurean ideals, and all we get from the aesthetics of such pleasantries is pure shit, in its rawest form.

This has deep roots in Epicurean philosophy itself, when they first founded the garden school, all they could do was bitch and gripe about others, and take a increasingly nihilistic outlook on life… to the point of attracting the prostitute Leontium to lead them intellectually in such Vulgar taunts, right in what we consider the height of greek philosophy at that!

It is, a fundamental aspect of philosophy, and always been part of the discourse. I’d be a rich man if I got a dollar for everytime I’ve heard a vedantic preaching and at the same time denouncing absurd the Buddha… don’t even get me started with the fictional absurdities of the Nietzscheans and Christ and Christianity.

There is something much different, and hidden going on here, something philosophy hasn’t fully charted yet. If you try to exile it, we will all in time have to seek asylum with it. Thats how deeply integrated it is.

Got that fucker?

You forgot about the masks we wear.
In front of parents we speak and behave one way, in front of employers another way, etc. Here we are anonymous friends and enemies. Emotions are not held in so tight. Most have jobs, family etc. where we control our emotions. Here it is a slight freedom. And considering there are far far worse vulgarities known to all, I think over all it is mild. I could make a sailor look like a nun. And there is English, Canadians, South American, Australians, that out number the US participants. Those Ausies and Brits can be crude.

CN,

You failed to get to the bottom of the issue.

I am not asking to curb all the feeling and become a machine.
There are always valid and invalid ways of doing things. If the same target can be achieved by remaningin the limits, why break those?

Look at this conversation-

One of our friend said this-

This is certainly demeaning and insultive to half of the mankind. Having said that, it is still certainly neither vulgar nor cross the limit of the decency, as fas as the language is concerned.

And, i replied to him by this -

See, i hit back equally hard, if not more. And, he cannot cry foul either because i was playing the game by the norms set by him.

CN, [b]that is the way how it should be. I understand that things can happen during heated discusion and i do not mind that much either. But, the limit of decency should not be crossed.

Actually, it needs a lot of intelligence to hit without being vulgar. Abusing using verlgur terms is quite easy but one has to translate his anger into art. That is philosophy.

Some difference should be maintained between a social forum and a philosophical one[/b].

with love,
sanjay

Now, you are taking the excuse of the history.
Do you still practice all those values?
If not, then why only this?

It is nothing but to hide your bad habit or practice in the name of history.

CN,

Stop these childish attempts.
You are not smart enough to provoke me.
I am well aware of the fact when to react and when not.

with love,
sanjay

That is true. People use to have to faces generally.
But, if that is true, it is given they have to lie about either one of those.

Freedom is there to be used for the betterment, not misused.

Secondly, i found Canadians and Britishers behind in the race of being indecent, thoug they are trying hard to catch up their US counterparts. And, Aussies are clear world winners. Even Americans cannot mach their skills.

with love,
sanjay