this is a serious issue and should be handled by carleas
Making a death threat should be reason enough for being banned.
Mitigating circumstances… the context of Idiots good faith endeavors, clearly shows Ben was trolling, and not just Idiot, but everyone who replied to one of his traps.
What Ben has done is laid multiple Sadistic traps for people on this forum. Its something unexpected and akin to Munchausen Syndrome, but in reverse… he is falsely soliciting for help, luring unsuspecting posters in, and is then hurting them with deep verbal abuse so as to make them feel weaker, and him stronger. His reporting this only goes to feed this dark, sadistic phenomena… just like in Munchausen… he is seen as the victim, and everyone here comes out and supports him, while falsely banishing the real victim, Idiot.
He will do this, again and again and again, milking everyone here for pity.
My solution is simple. Recognize Ben for what he is, and warn Idiot to keep away for a while. Idiot tried the responsible thing in reaching out. He got hurt. Both have reasons to be off balanced. Neither should be banned, if anything, both should apply themselves to philosophy in more earnest.
By supporting Ben, you only feed his psychological disorder. We should instead, if we do anything, give him firm parameters and help him out of it, but NOT give into his games. His is a case where we all have to be grown up, or mature in the use of rhetoric at least. This will not be tolerated, certainly not to this degree. Ben has carried it so far he wants to get another forum member into legal trouble for his emotional cravings. This is scary and disturbing, and itself is illegal in both countries, as its filing a false police report. Your trolling is systematic and underlines the nature of your compulsion. You can feel good and confident about yourself through other ways, you don’t have to torment and twist others. This is in line with your self admitted history of animal abuse… torture is the word you used.
This is philosophy Ben… we gain merit and standing from our udeas, not from some Slave-Master pecking order. That shits for chickens, its too primitive of a impulse for a rational man to long dwell on or need.
Ben has a tendency to take things too personally which leads to exaggeration/dramatization of events. I don’t believe the death threats were literal, I see them mostly as an expression of a degree of frustration in dealing with Ben.
learning can happen here…at times you need to learn to keep your mouth shut…
… other times you gotta learn to come out of your shell.
not that way
He called me cruel for asking why he’d do this publicly when he already stated a reason why he wouldn’t.
You see what I mean? He’s got a control issue. Contra, I agree with you for once. The guy literally insults you, then posts a bunch of weird links, then acts like he’s above talking to everyone, then calls everyone cruel or insecure. It’s been blowing my mind for about a week or so now.
idioticidioms threatening to kill somebody again? 
. He did the same thing to me, seems like the guy just can’t maintain a conversation without threatening to kill the other person 
And all I did was have a different opinion than him and defend my opinion. idioticidioms seems to think that if you don’t agree with him, you deserve to die. He’s a naive fool who usually ends up humiliating and trolling HIMSELF. He gets angry and then when I try to calm him down, he just gets even angrier and more hostile. Eventually I gave up trying to reason with him and just reported him as well.
I do not exactly know what happened between him and Ben or if Ben is a manipulator. What I do know is that idioticidioms has a few screws loose in his head.
Everyone has loose screws. Some are just easy to notice.
FWIW, I see that Id was venting, I saw no real threat especially since the distance is so great and there is an ocean between them… Jeez, thats a tad bit much expense for just words and Id is not an idiot.
Here’s the thing… His ‘condition’ is all in his own head, reinforced by doctors and medicine that no longer serve the best interests of this planet. You can call it a serotonin deficiency, but it comes down to the fact that he can overcome it if he chooses to do so and he just refuses to put in the work to doing so because it has been marked as an incurable condition by these doctors and is given medication for it, I’m sure. If so; if he is taking that medication; then he should be acting and reacting as a sane and rational person instead of being petty and vindictive and seeking to do what he’s doing and has done. That’s not a serotonin deficiency… that’s just being an ass for the sake of being an ass.
And here’s the other thing: If I truly felt it was worth it to track him down and kill him; you bet your ass I’m smart enough and capable enough to do it. I did not threaten him idly. If you look at the entirety of the messages; he posted all of them except the one that would ruin his case; you will see this:
Now, I stated a time and date, which means he has nothing to fear from me until that happens; if it happens. It’s not set in stone that it will. Obviously, I am not going to go out of my way for this and obviously I might re-estimate the worthiness of such a cause if the situation changes between then and now. The whole point is that I have never been unreasonable and even this is a crock of shit.
He beat me to the punch; I was going to report myself for those posts because I am truly sick and tired of his shit and people like him. It’s entirely their own contrivance and everybody else supports it instead of actually helping them get through it. It’s bullshit and this just proves it. He has the mental facilities to hang me up and try to get rid of me by bringing this all together and purposefully overlooking the crucial factor of it all; just as he has been doing all along to fuel his own sickness; and yet he can’t even rise above his sickness, which is all in his head. Complete bullshit.
He could; he just doesn’t want to, because everything is going so much better for HIM when he can treat people however the fuck he wants and get away with it. I am still expecting a ban, but even I can see the reason in this that would stop people from banning me. Obviously, since I’m sitting here and pointing it out to you and hating myself for it because of what people could assume me to be doing. It’s just fucking ridiculous, man. There have been no laws broken even among men here. I didn’t threaten, I made a promise of what would happen and it only remains a promise if certain factors come into play. Factors that I’ve placed on it myself because I’d really rather not have it get to that point. I’m more than willing to face it if it comes, but if it can be avoided, I’d rather do that.
but I’m still not going to sit idly by and watch people like him destroy this world, no matter how much doctors may claim them to be retarded. If they are that bad, they need to be locked away and kept from the rest of the world; not set loose to infect it with their bullshit.
Have you ever killed a person before?
Only in my sweet dreams and beautiful nightmares. I know full well what I’m capable of. I’d just really rather not.
Also, another thing… if he reported every single message I made in that strain, then what really is the point of this thread, especially without the inclusion of that one tidbit that might actually speak against him? Here I am; do what you will. Where is he?
Not to get involved in the debate here, but you may be underestimating how seriously some people will take the kind of language you’re using. Particularly, the part about killing the guy. It’s like being charged with child raping. Half the population wont listen to the facts once those charges are levied, they’ll just call for your head right or wrong. Thank god Ben has the track record that he does. If it’d been a random person then people might actually think he was the victim.
Good, I hope they do take it seriously. I really hope all people begin to take this seriously, because that is how I’ve been handling each attack as it has come at me. There needs to be more rationality and more firmness in that rationality as a flexible thing. I know how bad society has gotten and the fact is that it is because you know each other here that I’m not being made to walk the plank quite yet. You can see where it is important to know your neighbors and to keep in touch with them; important to know the people you surround your self with so that you can be reasonable. You can then see that the reason half the population won’t listen to reason is because of this or because they ran from this.
I’m well aware of what humanity is; always have been; and am more than well aware of what it could be if it sticks with it. And… I thank God as much as possible for everything he gives me, because the more I have faith in him, the more he delivers me unto moments like this one in particular. He gives me justification of my faith when I have it; though not until I earn it. And for that, he has my undying loyalty and respect.
Theists promising individuals that they are going to kill them need to look at their own distrust of God or God’s power.
Id, No doubt the world would be better off without scum. But, do it legally, get a job where you can be legally doing it. Wanton slaughter just gives scum strength. Hell there has been a few that I wanted to remove. But, the scum screwed up as usual and did it for me. One is in prison for life without a chance for parole. I don’t believe in god but, I do believe crap happens for reasons of evolution. So take this for what it is worth: Chill out, have faith and stop letting moronic scum get your goat. You can do more with an even temperament .
Then you have not understood the full of what I have done. The system was corrupt. Any amount of working within it would not have worked for it currently undermines the natural order of the world and yet worked within it I have to undo it. The battle that was fought was never physical and has just been won. Tomorrow will be a much brighter day. I have just won the ultimate battle and it was worth every moment.
A member suggested Idioms would benefit from anger management courses.
I agree with this sentiment.
Whilst many here are dismissive of Idioms’ words, they are a form of violence that shouldn’t be ignored.
I still want Carleas, or another mod, to report this.
I am awaiting a response.
Anger is a form of expression, Ben. It is an extreme sadness and hurting of the soul that comes from being repressed and denied for too long. It’s never what the soul has wanted to be, nor what it ever shall be again. The soul is love, Ben; pure and simple. Love for all things because all things are you and you are all things. Respect the sacrifice; respect the give and take, the balance of it all. To deny any emotion is to deny yourself and become something you never wanted to be. To avoid punishment only further drives you to a path of madness and insanity as you think everyone is out to get you.
To come to full self-realization is to set your self free; which is the entire concept of God and the entire concept of the universe and the entire point of what we’re here for. This entire thing is ran upon pure intentions of life and to sustain life even through all of the pain and suffering because it’s simply worth it to do so; you can breathe a great sigh of relief after your years of hard work just knowing you’ve accomplished something with it that is noble and pure.
And that is worth the fight, no matter how hard it is and no matter how lost you get while your vision is clouded with narrow-mindedness. I have never claimed to be perfect; I have only ever claimed to be trying to get better. I am now completely myself, for all that it’s worth and I don’t hold a grudge against you one bit. By that same token; if you ever make a move against me like that again, I’m not going to be afraid to put you in your fucking place. Just so we’re clear on that.
Every single person I’ve ever come in contact with is partially responsible for making me who I am. I forgive them all. It was never their initial intentions, no matter how distorted they became over time. I sympathize with each and every person because I know where they have been and how they have struggled. I lift my head up and call myself a liar in full for believing I had reached this point before this moment. I take no shame in that, for it was never me or who I wanted to be.
And all you have to do is realize that deep down inside of you… you’re just the same as me. I love you.