Peak oil and the end of modern industrial society.

The problem is merely, that we don’t have enough power to decide whether there is enough oil or other sources of energy, and to decide to inform the mass of the people about that.

So the problem is more a question of power and less a problem of having enough ernergy for the mass of the people. If the rulers don’t want the mass of the people to have enough energy, then the mass of the people doesn’t have enough ernergy - and that’s it. The power ist the first thing and the availability of energy for the mass of the people merely the second or third or …

Until that runs out and we are left drinking poisonous water.

This is not how it works.
The world is not all just a big conspiracy theory scenario.

It’s not just about deciding what to do. It’s also about just plain running out. In such a case it does not matter a dingo’s kidney what they tell the masses, or how much they think the people ought to have; When its gone, its gone: and there are few in power that want to believe this is in fact going to happen.

Um…we have bottled water.

Trouble is that the plastic is made from oil of which we will have run out!

YOU have and will have NOTHING because YOU have and will have NO POWER.

Arm, what the fuck are you talking about?

Try to think.

As Arminius said, the nation will have energy when it wants to have energy. Until then, the urgent need for energy is an excuse.

And what the fuck are YOU talking about?

“When’s are you two going to get a room?”

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Don’t be a creep arm.

What about cold fusion, and solar energy, wind turbines, power derived from river dams ? Technological leaps may increasingly utilize these with lessening loss of energy.

Well what about them??

  1. Cold Fusion: does not work.
  2. Solar energy: okay on a sunny day, but what about the rest of the world?
  3. Wind Turbines: the most expensive form of energy. So calculations have them never replacing the energy devoted to their manufacture and maintenance. What happens when the oli runs out, and the plastics, resins and carbon fibres from OIL are no longer available?
  4. River damns work really well. They also flood millions of acres of land, and tend to desiccate the lowlands.

The Cold fusion story is an interesting one. At first it was derided as ridiculous and generally not simply dismissed but ridiculed by the scientific Community. But the Navy, who had worked with Fleishman (I Think that’s his name), one of the two original scientists, continued the research because they knew the guy was not a flake. It turns out that positive results have been found using processes like or similar to the original ones. Nothing dramatic and it is not clear even if heat Changes took Place, though some did get excess temperatures. But it is now utterly clear that nuclear processes were being created at room temperature. They know this because they put plastic slices in with the deuterium loaded palladium and they found that they were getting particle scattering just like in other kinds of nuclear reactions. This is astounding, new and of unclear potential as an energy source. Still people are researching it as an energy source, and are absolutely trying to understand and then Control how nuclear type reactions are being created through chemical means at low termperatures. Reading about the history of this I noted several things: scientists who did find they got excess heat had their careers destroyed - iow if some of their results confirmed the original experiments they were considered quacks along withe the original researchers, two MIT actually removed from their results the fact that they found surplus heat production because it was not sudden enough, according to them. But still it supported the original research and MIT was one of Three orgs that basically nailed the coffin shut on Cold fusion. They also do not call it Cold fusion these Days, being much more cautious, but it should be stressed something remarkable was found.

Free energy is not allowed, else golden hand-cuffs won’t bind.

Have you any reference to support this - there is so much rubbish in the Internet.

No one is claiming this involves free energy. Poor read, James, best keep you on ignore. Ironically here James you are running along with the mainstream - which has not reported accurately at all on the original research and has not mentioned at all the continuation of the research by the navy and others. A number of the people doing this research had their careers destroyed, one guy, with hundreds of peer reviewed publications to his credit, simply for finding, in his repetition of the original research some excess heat. MIT even lied about their results and this was used to disprove the phenomenon. None of the current people - or really even the original researchers - were claiming it was free energy. Just as using oil as a source of energy is not free energy, though it can function like cheap energy - locally, and locally in time - as long as it lasts. The energy being locked in there, so to speak, and not put there by humans, who can, on the other hand, release it somewhat easily. Here however we seem to be dealing with chemical reactions leading to nuclear events, though very, very modest ones.

I got the information here…

13 Things that Don’t Make Sense: The Most Baffling Scientific Mysteries of Our Time by Michael Brooks

he gives references to specific researchers/research in the book.

There could be other possible reasons to not allow free energy. I’ve heard multiple people present the argument that the moment it is found is the moment we blow our selves up. Many Scientists worry about being the next creators of a nuclear bomb like device. One with unlimited energy instead of just a lot…

I enjoyed that book.

Free energy devices have been around for decades. The device that “blows everyone up” is the black-hole devices created for power, not energy (power being the concentration of the energy).