Men treat one another in a similar way that they do women, except it’s only the feminists that make this big thing about it that’s all about them and gender opposition, and if they feel like objects it’s because that’s how men want them to feel - instead of because men are just being men.
What is it to be a womaniser?
Surely this term is an interpretation by others, rather than an intentional role adopted by males themselves. Thus it makes much more sense to analyse those judging than those judged.
Thus the analysis of womanisers is of judging women, not of the men (the objects of their judgment).
Women who judge men as womanisers are those dissatisfied with the behaviours of men and how contrary they run to their own ideals about life. What causes women to come to judge in this way? I think a sense of negative liberty and equality is needed, maybe higher levels of testosterone and competitivity, creating a less harmonious and consentual power imbalance routed (as all things are) in physical power (sexual dimorphism). This along with the reproductive limits on a woman’s body that have been mentioned already, relative to the far lesser strain on the male body - it demands commitment and relationship stability. Promiscuous men are not valuing such female imperatives, and the undervalued female therefore feels less human and more like an object. Her more devoted emotions are not matched, and this is blamed on the male.
So why not instead blame the female for the creation of “womanisers”?
I like almost all of them, so long as they’re clean and fresh. And of course I like things besides vaginas. I like pretty much the whole naked chick. I also enjoy watching the news, cooking, riding motorcycles and shopping.
I never thought of the word womanizer as bad… it’s someone who enjoys a variety of female company and since he’s also interested in sex, there will be lots of it. In my experience men and woman like to have sex with each other in general, so if a man likes women and women like him there will have to be a lot of restraint to keep it non physical. And nobody wants to force anything when it’s not necessary.
I’d propose that the word “slut” gets a classier alternative… A slut is usually a girl who likes male company and is also physically attractive. Most people prefer to hang out with their own gender and/or aren’t as attractive so they can never be sluts or womanizers.
Smears, you’re dehumanizing sex. (Why?) It’s like you are living in a porn movie. Do you have to reduce it all to body parts?
Just good (promiscuous) sex? Are you considering all contexts? Let me ask you this: if you found yourself to be a married man, just hypothetically speaking, would you cheat on your wife? Would you hide your affairs, and lie to her, just so you can keep sampling different vaginas on the side?
The disagreement here is that the promiscuous sex is/not about sampling body parts. I am claiming that the motivation is psychological/emotional at the source, not just physical.
I am not talking about these things but only about women and sex.
Here are two questions.
If only cleanness and freshness in important, then does it makes any difference to you whether it is of 25 year old women or 60 years?
And again, why? Answer this why and do not avoid it as you did in the last post.
The same question stands. Why do you like whole naked women?
What do you find attractive particulary in a woman’s body? And why?
Because the stimulation of the nerves on my penis, by a vagina, is pleasant. I’m not sure how to really explain this one but I certainly hope you understand.
Aside from those which you said, it may be a bit simplistic here but one reason may be because he so loves his mommy that it’s an unconscious need to NOT be committed to any one woman.
Also, I think there are women, mothers, who are also to blame. On the other side of your coin of a lack of mother’s love, there is the man who was raised by a pampering needy woman who put her whole sexuality into raising him to feel that he is the most important thing in the universe. Thus, he acts accordingly.
A womanizer may also be a man who feels extremely lonely and incomcomplete and unable to live from his emptiness so he is forever trying to fill that deep hole within him. Little does he know that in running from that, he creates a hole which is too large to ever get away from and he must fill and refill that with women. Yet despite the many women who are within that “hole”, the womanizer is always alone. Sadly, as a child, something most valuable to his core and psyche was not given to him. I suppose that it is not like this with every child who grows into a womanizer, but then there are probably other aspects to this one particular kind of womanizer. This is one who we can feel compassion for and one who can be saved.
Sorry to other posters who may have addressed this already (I read the OP, skipped the middle, and read Arc’s last post). When you’re slacking off at work, you don’t have time!
I think we need to define “womanizer”–to me, that’s a man who manipulates women into sleeping with him (compare this to a man who sleeps around with a lot of women but does so while being honest and upfront and making sure there is mutual consent).
That said, I think what makes a womanizer is just selfishness–a disregard for the feelings and humanity of others (or at least the women he sleeps with), or perhaps an overly inflated sense of confidence that he can spare hurting her feelings or making her feel used with his master-mind intelligence and manipulative abilities.
i don’t think i can enumerate everything that can be encapsulated by ‘bullshit’, but Smears’ answer is included
here’s some examples:
tests → bullshit
tests you pass but still don’t get sex → bullshit
sex used as a bartering chip → bullshit
sex used a a ‘reward’ for good behavior → bullshit
promises of sex that never happen → bullshit
sex that never happens → bullshit
saying you want something, i don’t do it, you complain, i don’t get sex → bullshit
saying you want something, i do it, you still complain, i don’t get sex → bullshit
saying you want something, i do it, you don’t complain, i don’t get sex → bullshit
saying you want something, i don’t do it, you don’t complain, i don’t get sex → bullshit
you trying to make me jealous → bullshit
me going hours, days, weeks, out of my way to give you the romance you want and deserve, and not getting sex → bullshit
you being more attracted to my bullshit than my honesty → bullshit
me telling you the truth because you say its what you want, and then you are upset → bullshit
subtle hints at what you want → bullshit
really fucking obvious hints at what you want → bullshit
thinking i can read your mind for whatever reason → bullshit
heavy flirting to the point of sexual tension but climax is denied → bullshit
you not understanding that a man’s desire to sleep with you all the time doesn’t mean he ‘only’ interested in sex → bullshit
not being honest and sincere in a relationship → bullshit
you hypocritically doing anything/everything you can criticize a man for doing in a relationship that drives you nuts → bullshit
playing both ends of the feminism spectrum (wanting equal treatment at sometimes, then playing “oh poor me i’m a woman” at others) → bullshit
playing men against each other for your enjoyment → bullshit
playing men against each other for you to pick your favorite → bullshit
playing men against each other as some test → bullshit
attaching sex to winning some meaningless competition → bullshit
picking pointless arguments with random people to solicit your man defending you → bullshit
doing something immoral to begin with in order to judge a man’s reaction → bullshit
you ceasing to shut the fuck up about shit that doesn’t matter → bullshit
playing hard to get after you have been “obtained” (for lack of a better word) → bullshit
he forgot sex used as a weapon of course and BDSM, and the most obvious ones women only compete with other women, set a thief et al and a few others which are also bs.
the fact is if a women does not want to sleep with me by definition she is a lesbian. Fact.
Okay. I admit that most men are not as forthcoming in expressing and sharing their feelings, something that maybe more important to women.
(that doesn’t mean men don’t have ANY feelings)
Thank you, arc. I was thinking the answer may lie somewhere along these lines, as I believe that children’s early experiences with primary caregivers (role models) are likely to have a strong and invisible influence on their adult behavior patterns. However, to be on a conservative side, it may require years of experience in dealing with people to be even somewhat confident in this analysis, perhaps someone like a therapist/counselor, who over the years, may be able to see certain patterns. Psychological studies/research (at least over decades long) on the causes of this behavior may also shed some light. There may also be a need to consider cultural differences/expectations of gender roles. In any case, I think it would be worthwhile to look into this type of research.
By ‘womanizer’ I meant those who use charm and deception to hook and drag a woman along - the players, the Casanovas, the machos, the lady-killers, etc. Those types. The pretenders.
Obviously men and women have different needs. But this is where lies and deception come in (or ‘the game’ as all you playas call it). Men want sex. Women want a relationship based on emotional reciprocity/involvement. You can’t really lie in sex: once you have sex you know you’ve had sex. But it’s different when a man peddles ‘bullshit’ as real feelings. It’s not a fair trade, even if it is ‘presented’ as one in exchange for sex. If you want just sex, without the bullshit, then buy it from a prostitute.
