I think first and foremost we should recognise after 200000 years of evolution men and women are different, and stop making apologetics for those differences. But that said it’s not a matter of saying all are equal clearly some are not, male of female, all we should say is those male or female with the ability to do so should shine without fear of contradiction. The day that is realised I will eat my hat in shock. Suffice to say the best compliment of minds in my experience whether what those minds have is genetic or socially learned contrivances, is having women amongst men. All male orientated groups are for shit as are all women, there is strength in complementation.
While I agree that one should consider the physical/innate differences between two groups of people before bantering around the flag of “equal rights,” I can’t for the life of me think of where these differences may lie when it comes to men and women. I almost posted about the right to maternity leave, but then I thought “well, no, in this day and age of gender roll dissolution, there is talk of men taking paternal leave.” That made me warry of basing rights on actual physical/mental differences versus traditional roll differences.
Nevertheless, if it turns out that some rights are more crucial to women while other rights more crucial to men, I think the biggest mistake we could make is to appoint only one group as the one who decides where those rights go. This is why it is indeed important to give both sexes equal opportunity for power and occupation. That way, you don’t have a dispraportionate sample of one sex making decisions for and determining the lives of the other (as if they knew what’s good for them better than a member of their own sex).
what is so hard to understand about this post…why are we having so much trouble…i am just giving my opinions from my experience…lets focus on all of the major religions …men are in charge generally speaking…why is that…is that a good thing…could there be improvements by having male and female together working out problems…
i was hoping that the religion and spirituality forum would be able to discuss ideas without having to prove everything…
i think this post is very important for this forum because we are talking about beliefs and behavior having to do with our survival…
thank you…
i think some people here did not read my very short post…now that we are in this sub-forum i will not talk about my churches…
i will talk about the united states…why is it that we have never had a woman president…is this a problem for anyone here…
why are there more men in the senate and supreme court than women…i have a problem with this and i will tell you why…guys tend to be the ones that fight wars…women tend to fight by talking…isnt it time for men and women to cooperate…you cant do that with the one group trying to dominate, whether it is men or women…what happened to cooperate…
I never quite underatood the idea that men and women are supposed to be equal and the same in all areas. Men want to be men and women (most) want to ne women. When a woman wants to be like a man it undermines a man’s identity, and when a man is overly feminine (metrosexual), it undermines a woman’s identity (this is considering that men want to be men in relation to women and vice-versa, which I think still holds true for the majority of population). The hype with gender reversal I think is overblown a bit. These a basic/natural psychological attributes of men and women, and without constant and continuous societal pressure for gender equalization/homogenization, the roles would simply revert back to their natual, balanced state. I also don’t believe the idea that to have men in power would automatically lead to subjugation of women, as if men and women are some kind of enemies. Women take care of men, and men take care of women.
It seems like when a man is overly feminine, by some people’s standards some it is primarily men, not women, who feel like it undermine’s their identity. At least, they seem to take it very personally, like it is a threat that needs to be erased. Women seem more relaxed around this, though, of course, it bothers many of them also.
Why is it that every time the subject comes up, men have to, seemingly, emphasize their superiority by pointing out the physical differences between the genders? Why can’t the differences be seen as complimentary and celebrated as such? I tend to celebrate the physical differences between men and women. If it weren’t for those differences, how could we have survived as a species? Hmmm?
When the subject comes up, men point out the physical differences.
You say you celebrate those physical differences, and yet you’re apparently offended or off-put in some way by the fact that men point out the physical differences.
You’re celebrating it and being offended by it at the same time? I don’t understand what’s going on here.
as usual some things just end in fighting between men and women…can we now agree on something…why do we need to fight…
this thread was intended to find common interest…our whole society is like this----always fighting…
Turtle, you can’t just say ‘no disagreements in this thread’, that’s nonsense. If someone disagrees, they can express their disagreement. This is a philosophy forum, not a kumbaya circle.
flannel you make a good point…but i thought this was a sub-forum s/g/e…what does this have to do with philosophy…
the thread was going screwy…arguing about differences…i want to know from you what men and women have in common…
you are good at this…you are clever…i liked the proton thing…but get serious will you…
(a) society/government/economics generally involves even more extreme disagreement than philosophy in general.
(b) presumably, everything.
Lots of things. I’m not sure what sorts of things you’re looking for.
I mean, I could say ‘men and women usually have 2 eyes’ but that’s probably not the sort of similarity you’re looking for.
What sorts of similarities are you looking for?
Turtle, you can’t just say ‘no disagreements in this thread’, that’s nonsense. If someone disagrees, they can express their disagreement. This is a philosophy forum, not a kumbaya circle.
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flannel you make a good point…but i thought this was a sub-forum s/g/e…what does this have to do with philosophy…
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(a) society/government/economics generally involves even more extreme disagreement than philosophy in general.
(b) presumably, everything.
Lots of things. I’m not sure what sorts of things you’re looking for.
I mean, I could say ‘men and women usually have 2 eyes’ but that’s probably not the sort of similarity you’re looking for.
What sorts of similarities are you looking for?
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no no flannel…you are tricky…i am asking you …what you see in common that might be significant…do you have a hard time
sharing personal beliefs…
There’s lots of commonalities between men and women. Men and women both usually don’t want to be harmed, insulted, uncomfortable, lots of things. What do you think is significant? You tell me.
no flannel…this is my thread and i am asking the questions…i need input…i will say something later…i want to see
how perceptive this thread is going to be…i am not impressed with the majority of the posts so far…help me…dont make it harder…