Forgiveness Problem

[turtle]

if you have done something bad there is a problem with a god forgiving you....
it might not work as some people believe..

a god may not do the job...

you probably need to ask for forgiveness from certain persons....and then you have the hardest problem... that is forgiving yourself....and changing your behavior...

this is a problem i have with certain religious beiefs....

[melonkali]

Genuine repentance or remorse is usually accompanied by some behavioral or character change. If one cannot recompense the injured party, one can aid someone else in a selfless way, or never again commit the type of action which caused harm. Actions do speak louder than words, and sometimes those actions are soft, subtle, and take time to be noticed. Even if you believe that God knows you're sorry, face it, if you are truly sorry, there will be a noticeable change in how you act, not just a verbal apology or 20 Hail Marys.

[turtle]

i need some feedback from strong believers in the jc god....

if i have killed someone on purpose in a combat zone what prayers must i do to be forgiven??? what must i do?

[Flannel Jesus]

Just repent bro, everyone knows that.

[V-OutOfTheWilderness]

i need some feedback from strong believers in the jc god....

if i have killed someone on purpose in a combat zone what prayers must i do to be forgiven??? what must i do?

You're looking for answers in the wrong place. If we were in your situation we'd be asking the same questions.

[kinneretov]

i need some feedback from strong believers in the jc god....

if i have killed someone on purpose in a combat zone what prayers must i do to be forgiven??? what must i do?

You're looking for answers in the wrong place. If we were in your situation we'd be asking the same questions.

that's right. i think each indivdual has his own different story.

[turtle]

what kind of help do i need from god....
what would jesus say...

[omar]

i need some feedback from strong believers in the jc god....

if i have killed someone on purpose in a combat zone what prayers must i do to be forgiven??? what must i do?

It depends. Combat zone is not a place where you go to shake hands but where you are either the killer or the one killed. So what was the "purpose"? If the purpose is to stay alive, under fire, in a combat zone, then that is one thing. But if your purpose was to take revenge against innocent civilians then you've not only a sin but a war crime.

[James S Saint]

what kind of help do i need from god....
what would jesus say...

Now you have asked the right question.
Not that you are going to like the answer...

As someone already mentioned, you have merely to "repent". The problem of course, as always, is 3 fold;
1) you don't really know what it means to repent
2) you don't really believe that such is all that is necessary
3) you wont want to do what it requires of you

To repent (restore the pentacle/"highest priority" - get your shit straight) means that you very seriously want to change your ways. Generally it comes about, much like the alcoholic, by being so defeated in life that you give up everything else, all of your other concerns and priorities such that you are willing to go do things that you normally would be disinclined to do.. and without judging those things. You can't reestablish a pentacle priority if you are trying to maintain the high priority of anything else. You have to totally submit to the pentacle priority, else it obviously isn't pentacle/highest.

Asking to be forgiven means that you are requesting that your situation in life be altered. But your situation is not merely what you see around you, but also the very, very many things that you do not see yet affect you anyway. Other people can change those things of which you are not aware. When those things change, new doors open up, new hope arises. That is how people get into it. Forgiveness can come without people at times, but that is a bit like praying that your car be fixed, but without anyone doing anything to it. It can happen, but I wouldn't advise holding your breath.

Churches are established solely for the purpose of being able to provide the needed changes in people's lives that they could not do for themselves. After you exhaust all that you can do, what is left but what others could possibly do? But to get their help requires cooperation from you. Either you are trying to control and defend your life, or they are. It can't be both. The method of repentance is to let "them" take over. It is a type of intervention. Let them direct your life for a while until things are more reasonably controllable by you again. And then don't screw it up.. again.

Ordained churches have access to things that affect your life that just any ole church often doesn't have. To whom you pray and give your allegiance makes a difference. But don't think that you can go ask a preacher what powers he might have to help you. They don't know. That is simply how it works and how it is maintained. They never know themselves exactly how it works or to what extent. Often they are just as surprised as you. That leaves you with a bit of a problem. If not for that problem, everyone would already be going to the same Church. As Mutcer delights in pointing out, being invisible makes it hard to see the evidence.

So to what Church would you go when you can't ask of them and get a meaningful response? You have now mentioned Jesus (as opposed to Moses, Muhammad, or Einstein). So that narrows it down a bit, maybe only a few hundred. Of those which you can contact, to which would you surrender your life?

Now given that you made that choice.. and it has to be Your choice, they are going to ask that you do certain things. It is not like they portray in the movies.. "say 3 Hail Mary's and all is forgiven". No. Repentance means that you demonstrate (demon-stratify) your sincerity. What that entails will depend upon the choice you made. But if you try to qualify which Church to go to for such forgiveness based upon their repentance requirements, realize that you only get what you pay for until AFTER you are in grace again (assuming that you ever were). What they should be asking for, although I doubt they would ever say it, is the relinquishing of your very deepest concerns in life, your very soul. To repair it requires that you hand it over for a while, just like that car.

Not that it helps for me to say it, but it does work.. as long as You do your share and you chose the right Church.

[Selah7+]

i need some feedback from strong believers in the jc god....

if i have killed someone on purpose in a combat zone what prayers must i do to be forgiven??? what must i do?

Thou shalt not murder...not...Thou shalt not kill. There is a difference. It is an action of the will out of the intentions of the heart. What motivates
you to take someone's life? Do you have evil thoughts towards another with hatred so strong that you act on your thoughts? That is sin. Even if you
do not physically do the deed, it is sin, because you have committed murder already in your heart. If you do act it out you are also in sin. Either way,
you are in sin and are in need of forgiveness. No, you are not in sin on the battlefield when you are put there to do a duty out of a purpose. It is
a necessary event when we must put right wrongs when there is no other way, to protect yourself, your family, your property or your country against
aggressors and tyrants within or outside our borders. I personally would prefer to keep the battle on foreign soil...isn't that part of the purpose? To
keep evil at bay and out of our back yard? But, I don't want to get off point here. I will stick to your question directly. Forgiveness is very powerful
and necessary to avoid becoming resentful and bitter. You would ask God for forgiveness and ask others to forgive you when you have offended
or hurt them in some way. If you are genuine in your sorrow, you will be forgiven. Also, if someone asks you for forgiveness, you must forgive
otherwise, you will not be forgiven by God for your sin. Now, repentance is another thing. To repent is to 'turn away from' your sin. Confess it,
ask forgiveness, turn away from it.

[calvaryoakville]

Matthew 6:14-15 NIV
For if you forgive men when they sin against you, your heavenly Father will also forgive you.
But if you do not forgive men their sins, your Father will not forgive your sins.
1 John 1:9 NIV
If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness.

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