A Contemporary Philosophy
Tethered by reality;
There is the ongoing cause of all that is (a.k.a. “The God”).The rest is just noise…
There is the order and chaos brought about by that cause (a.k.a. “The Universe”).
There is the adversary to every life (a.k.a. “The Devil”).
And there is You.. an instance of life.
Amongst all the noise there are many entities great and small, all vying for attention and ultimate influence – “God wannabes”. Some are mindless formations propagating through their circumstances. Some are forms of life, temporarily struggling to survive, not really knowing why and certainly not how, but merely presuming a purpose, need, and desire. Most all merely adding their bit to the noise.
Joe Schmoe wrote:Why do I describe myself as Existentialist?
I do this because I relate to the different concepts that it encompasses. Whether it's despair due to the absurd, the will to live an authentic life, or the angst due to choice. I believe Nihilism alone ignores our subjective interest towards Life which is intrinsic to being human.
We are born with a scale that we measure Life and experience with, but the scale isn't unbiased. It is already weighted down towards anything that affirms Life. This is due to natural selection. Those with the desire to live faired better than those without. However, this creates conflict. Our body says it is interested in Life, but our mind says Life is empty, pointless... absurd.
My position may be better described as Existential Nihilism. The problem is, as pointed to in the OP, my body is often in pain and my mind is very entrenched in it's stance. I can't see reason to subject myself to this situation when not even my body is happy.
You are satisfied with your plot in Life. This is good, I'm happy for you. I don't think I can say the same for myself.
Do you think my position is reasonable?
lizbethrose wrote:Sure, if you think it is.
lizbethrose wrote:Seriousness aside, I get very tired of neo-Neitzscheans, nihilists, existential nihilists, Matrix believers, and anyone else who believes life = suffering. How god-awful, calvanist, protestant, christian can you get?
lizbethrose wrote:How does your body suffer pain? Do you have a medical condition such as MS, Parkinson's, cancer? If so, I empathize with you and will do what I can to emotionally share your physical pain in an attempt to somehow, somewhat, do what I can to try to ease it. My Mother's last words were, "Oh, God!" and it wasn't a prayer, it was a complaint when the nurses turned her over onto her side after her final stroke. It took her 4 days to die from repeated morphine injections--because she 'died' with her final stroke but never stopped breathing,--until the morphine.
lizbethrose wrote:We're not "born" with any sort of 'scale' with which to weigh life and experience. Evolution/natural selection has nothing to do with it. It's only after we've spent a certain amount of time living that we, ourselves, create that scale. Whatever scale we create depends, I think, on the strength of our own ego--what we are to ourselves.
lizbethrose wrote:If you think your life has so far been absurd--that it's meant nothing--that all it's given you is physical pain and angst, how can anyone other than you change that?
lizbethrose wrote:But to change what you are, you have to know and accept what you are. How can you 'change' anything otherwise?
Joe Schmoe wrote:
I just want some closure and wonder whether it exists in the world of philosophy.
Pandora wrote:Have you considered Stoicism?
Pandora wrote:If it is peace of mind you're after, you may have to, at some point, embrace some sort of faith-based religion or spirituality.
turtle wrote:joe----what do you really want????
Joe Schmoe wrote:I have recently began a pursuit to find cohesiveness in my thoughts. To produce a single structure where all observations and conclusions I've drawn interrelate so I can understand my philosophy as it were, and how I can move and grow in life 'authentically' in accordance with my beliefs.
Joe Schmoe wrote:I'm not seeking peace so much as cohesion in my thoughts and understandings. I seek to understand my foundation, so I can build upon it.
James S Saint wrote:Joe Schmoe wrote:I'm not seeking peace so much as cohesion in my thoughts and understandings. I seek to understand my foundation, so I can build upon it.
That is the afore mentioned "inner harmony".
Start with what you know, what cannot possibly be wrong.
Build slowly from there.
The mountain grows high.
In the long run though, practicality is always the final issue.
FilmSnob wrote:Two words, Joe, two words...
You may find that there are some questions that philosophy just cannot answer, and many times, they are the same questions that the mind has the urge to keep asking, especially when it comes to area like existentialism. In the end, you may reach a point where you will have to embrace ignorance (like Socrates), or faith.Joe Schmoe wrote: Religion and spirituality signify a disconnect to me. They distance intrinsic human experiences to sources beyond the body, which I find unnecessary.
James S Saint wrote:In philosophy, it is the total lack of alternatives that guides you to what you know that you know, the "foundation".
Joe Schmoe wrote:You're good at this.
Joe Schmoe wrote:I think alternatives is my dilemma.
Joe Schmoe wrote: To be or not to be. To accept my nature, and live accordingly. Or escape it.
The Mountain of Thought
The entire mountain of thought-response from zero to the very top;
0) affectance response
1) physical response
2) physiological response
3) emotive response
4) cognitive response
5) congressional response
6) union of congressional response
7) ultimate response
Each level is separated merely by the scope of information involved. Additional congresses of union of congressional responses can be added infinitely if life were to spread throughout the universe. Each level utilizes a logic process. Each level "interprets" the significance of the level below it such as to decide or logically conclude its own response.
Belief is a conclusion based upon the logical processing of the information passed up from the lower levels. Believe it or not, the emotions are the result of a logic process involving merely a smaller scope of information. The cognitive process "senses" a set of emotive responses (similar to the Senate receiving bills, a request to act, from the House or the House hearing the lobbyists, activists, or representatives) and draws a conclusion (a logical process) based upon what has been passed to it.
Bodhimalik wrote:Joe says, "how I can move and grow in life 'authentically' in accordance with my beliefs."
Your beliefs are your reality and you react to what is real. Ipso faco, you move and grow in acordance with your beliefs already. Always.
James S Saint wrote:Joe Schmoe wrote: To be or not to be. To accept my nature, and live accordingly. Or escape it.
How can one escape what one is?
James S Saint wrote:If he wants to, isn't he already divided and misguided. "If you think that you want to change what you are, first change your mind."
The trick is to know what one is, not merely what one isn't or doesn't have, after which there is no more wanting to be anything else.
James S Saint wrote:One can take on trying to get all of those harmonized in everyone else, but I suspect you'd be better off merely aiming at getting them straight within yourself, starting with immutable cognitive foundations which lead to deep emotional foundations which in combination allow for a momentum of growth and further clarification, verification, and memory of your true hopes and threats that guide the whole into harmony - "Self-Harmony".
James S Saint wrote:Just as a fundamental analogy for how to begin;
"Does an infinite line have an end?"
"How do you know?"
"By definition of course."
"How do you know that your definition is right?"
"It is MY definition. How can it be wrong for me?"
"But what if someone else has a different definition?"
"That sounds like their problem, not mine."
Joe Schmoe wrote:James S Saint wrote:Joe Schmoe wrote: To be or not to be. To accept my nature, and live accordingly. Or escape it.
How can one escape what one is?
Death. The ultimate form of harmony?
Joe Schmoe wrote:Let the body be recycled for something else. Our life is the result of strange mutations. Give natural selection another chance to find a form with my elements that is more at peace than I. Talking this way is funny due it's absurdity. This is great.
All I have to do is wait a few years until my body grows tired.
Joe Schmoe wrote:you aptly point out that cognitive and higher responses are direct results of low forms of stimuli which the human has no control over.
Joe Schmoe wrote:How can you possibly assert there's a way to change the mind, when the mind is simply an extension of the unchangeable stimuli.
Joe Schmoe wrote:We can find this harmony which you speak of, but to do this we must obviate certain stimuli. Obviating stimuli is us obviating from some of the vital steps of thought. Congressional response / Union of Congressional response, thereby arriving at an unauthentic Ultimate response.
Joe Schmoe wrote:Part of me wants to Live because I know there's nothing more, but part of me is really pissed off that it's all bullshit. I don't foresee this mind set changing.
Joe Schmoe wrote:I see we're you're coming from, but as the altruist, I want to bring everyone along for the journey. As soon I learn something, I want to share.
James S Saint wrote:Choose your blindness carefully.
Since it is all "bullshit"/"noise", why care anymore about it for or against?
"Lord grant me the serenity to accept what I cannot change, the courage to change what I can, and the wisdom to know the difference."
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