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Re: Sexuality

Postby PavlovianModel146 » Tue Feb 28, 2012 2:36 am

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I've said this before and i know a lot of others would claim it as well, but i'm certain were i female that i'd be gay. The female form is simply how I identify beauty and I can't see the same thing in a male, the closest i get is in a sense of "huh I wish my body looked like that" or "that guys got a handsome face" more as a hint of envy then of attraction.


I still disagree with your assertion. I would say that the heterosexuality would carry over, not the attraction to women.
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Re: Sexuality

Postby Moreno » Tue Feb 28, 2012 6:09 am

Abstract wrote:If one were to aswsume that there is no problem with homosexual actions... and that for a large part sexual interests can be trained... why not program/train yourself to like sexual actions with the same sex as well cause that would broaden your likely hood of finding love and or a relation ship?...by double just about...
Why limit yourself to homo sapiens or organisms, for that matter?
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Re: Sexuality

Postby Stoic Guardian » Tue Feb 28, 2012 9:38 am

PavlovianModel146 wrote:I still disagree with your assertion. I would say that the heterosexuality would carry over, not the attraction to women.


And I disagree with your assertion, I have examples I could elaborate on if you wish. Even though this is a hypothetical circumstance.
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Re: Sexuality

Postby Abstract » Wed Feb 29, 2012 8:41 pm

Moreno wrote:
Abstract wrote:If one were to aswsume that there is no problem with homosexual actions... and that for a large part sexual interests can be trained... why not program/train yourself to like sexual actions with the same sex as well cause that would broaden your likely hood of finding love and or a relation ship?...by double just about...
Why limit yourself to homo sapiens or organisms, for that matter?

Indeed but social connection is typically a requisite (and near intellectual equivalence) and so rules out practically anything other then humans... untill we find aliens...
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Re: Sexuality

Postby Moreno » Tue Mar 06, 2012 6:43 am

Abstract wrote:
Moreno wrote:
Abstract wrote:If one were to aswsume that there is no problem with homosexual actions... and that for a large part sexual interests can be trained... why not program/train yourself to like sexual actions with the same sex as well cause that would broaden your likely hood of finding love and or a relation ship?...by double just about...
Why limit yourself to homo sapiens or organisms, for that matter?

Indeed but social connection is typically a requisite (and near intellectual equivalence) and so rules out practically anything other then humans... untill we find aliens...
I have never given a prospective sexual partner an IQ test. I knew I was doing something wrong.
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Re: Sexuality

Postby Abstract » Thu Mar 08, 2012 8:01 pm

Moreno wrote:I have never given a prospective sexual partner an IQ test. I knew I was doing something wrong.

you don't need to give a test it is pretty obvious when someone has an iq of 70...i doubt you would date such...unless maybe you were near the same...
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Re: Sexuality

Postby FilmSnob » Thu Mar 08, 2012 9:26 pm

First, we should expand out horizons...

Then we should limit ourselves to certain ranges of IQ?
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Re: Sexuality

Postby Abstract » Mon Mar 12, 2012 6:36 pm

Pezer wrote:First, we should expand out horizons...

Then we should limit ourselves to certain ranges of IQ?

i'm not saying we should, i am proposing that we already basically do that.
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Re: Sexuality

Postby FilmSnob » Mon Mar 12, 2012 7:04 pm

I'll make a longish post, and I hope that people lik Sha'Tara (did I get it right?), who are almost my opposite, will chime in.

I was born and raised with a modestly succesful "pirate image." I am a guy, I like guy things, I want girls to do things with my johnson, and thinking about other guys' johnsons makes me cringe. Hell, I even gave it a tiny chance for a bit, trying to fantazize about guys and even looking up a bit of softcore porn. It never went past "ewwww."

That on the sexuality side. On the identity side, I always liked all the testosterone fueled passions of guys, like fighting, yelling, and pledging alligance over any ridiculous cause when drunk. I like making dirty jokes around guys, admire the strong ones (guys, not jokes), and have internalized many of the guy-stereotype ethics like allways taking the front line, taking the brunt of the damage when women or children are involved, and generally being able to draw lines and defend them. I try to imagine changing that... and I can only come up with "I don't get why anybody would choose any of the alternatives."

So, that's me. That is why I am anti-gay in my own soul, though I love the gay friends I do have (in fact, there are many gay people I admire, not in spite of their being gay, but often because of their gayness).

Can someone with an opposing or different perspective give their story? I'm hoping, if I get lucky, to be able to solve some of the puzzles this issue has presented me with for years, making me question the deepest facts about my person.
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Re: Sexuality

Postby Abstract » Mon Mar 12, 2012 7:34 pm

Does sha'tara even know this thread exists?
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Re: Sexuality

Postby Sha Tara » Tue Mar 20, 2012 7:53 am

Abstract wrote:Does sha'tara even know this thread exists?


and from Pezer
I'll make a longish post, and I hope that people lik Sha'Tara (did I get it right?), who are almost my opposite, will chime in.

I was born and raised with a modestly succesful "pirate image." I am a guy, I like guy things, I want girls to do things with my johnson, and thinking about other guys' johnsons makes me cringe. Hell, I even gave it a tiny chance for a bit, trying to fantazize about guys and even looking up a bit of softcore porn. It never went past "ewwww."

That on the sexuality side. On the identity side, I always liked all the testosterone fueled passions


Sorry guys, I've been lurking other topics as this one, surprise, surprise, does NOT really interest me much. But I'll chime in, because of the invite.

In "my" world, the truly transgendered knows it by the fact that both and neither sexes are of particular interest. We become "transgendered" as a sop to the flesh because the brain/body complex is so twisted by its repressed sexuality. And as anyone can see, this addiction to sex is not conducive to a healthy species nor a healthy planet when the species in question overcomes its natural predators and propagates completely out of control. Two things I see: either develop a sexually driven creature that does not procreate, or drastically diminish its sex drive.

So, this thread seems to be about sex and sexuality. True transgendering is not about sex or sexuality. I have a male body and for a time it worked "normally" although I never had much attraction to the "opposite" sex, including my mates. Marriage was a societal convenience, nothing more. I terminated my last marriage because it made no sense. My ex-mate is one of my best friends and we help each other, so the relationship moved "up" in value once we were "free" of each other. I see this as something that will become the norm in man's future but not for quite a while yet. Men will never learn to respect and give women their complete freedom to think and act AS WOMEN as long as sex-based relationships rule here.

Back to me, some years ago my ability to "perform" as a male died off quite naturally and I was very relieved and thankful to discover that the energy that once was given off to sex, or seeking sexual satisfaction could be easily channelled in much more productive ways. My mind exploded with new awareness and I truly began to see the world (and its problems) from a much higher and broader perspective. That's when I realized that my purpose was to become an avatar.

Earthian sex drive IS A SERIOUS PROBLEM. One way I see as a stop-gap measure to ease this problem is to develop cheap and easy contraceptives, temporary or permanent, then free people to express themselves sexually with any and every one they feel like - and no social constraints. Anyone must realize by now that Earthians are NOT monogamous creatures! If they were, they would not experience the sex drive they do. Another very important thing I learned through transgendering: no single female can completely fulfill the needs on a single male, and vice versa. It is totally natural for men and women to seek ADDITIONAL sexual fulfillment among strangers. That should be encouraged, not repressed as it is now!

Earthians NEED to express themselves sexually at their current stage of development - and that is why their sexuality is deliberately, sadistically, controlled. Think of the money made on the sex drive in all areas of commerce! Think of the power a religion or government exercises over the people when they control such a powerful force.

Society has twisted the minds of people so that women can't be women and consequently men must exist in a dark world of constant sexual frustration, always encountering women and denied access to them. This is sick. All the taboos around sexuality, including nudity, in Earthian society only contribute to male violence against women and children, the spread of STD's, pornography, prostitution, masochism, sadism and snuff, i.e., total social dysfunction.

In a distant future this species will no longer experience the need for sex it does now, but that's a long time - from what I've "seen" it doesn't begin to show before 1000 years hence, and that's with the help of "friendlies" from "out there" - you know, those nebulous aliens in UFO's! For the time being, MEN (this remains a totally male-dominated world) must change their attitudes to women.

This must become a planetary code: Honor, respect, help, support, protect all women, all children - and hold as utterly SACRED the mother and her child. That is the avatar's teaching. Once your women are freed of sexual oppression and repression; once they know they are totally safe with you, you will have all the sex you ever wanted and will ever need - and you'll never have to chase it or buy it. All the social violence (including sports and wars) that seems so attractive, so necessary at this time will disappear and when you look back on it you will feel only shame that you let yourselves be so cheaply manipulated by psychopathic "leaders" who led you to oppress and kill your women and your children. I don't mean this to be preachy but it's hard to hide visions that promise so much beauty and joy for a world. It's harder to exercise patience!
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Re: Sexuality

Postby Abstract » Tue Mar 20, 2012 11:42 pm

I agree with you on much of what you say sha'tara... I also feel that in the future things will change as such, that it is inevitable... yet i hadn't put a time line on it ... it will be at least evident in a little over 500 years but that is guessing based on when i think we will begin to acheive space travel at a relvent degree...

I also have found my self to be a very unsexual person in many ways... and find that i am more interested in relating... or cuddling and such... perhaps that will indeed be more of the focus in the future... i sure hope so...
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