YEAH… umm, I tried to log in with anew account- but never received anything in the email… so that means I can’t be nice here, I gotta be a ass until this gets fixed.
So- your trying to tell me your big life- the event that plunged you into a 5 year depression, was achieved via shrooms? And you broke out of it after seeing a Icon of Krishna-Shiva? That is a remarkably shallow depression going on there. Like- fuck… have you any idea what I was exposed to to plunge me into my depression? Do you have any clue how damnably hellish the climb was back out? I was completely isolated and abandoned, alone in the rain homeless. You saw a picture.
Fuck… yes, there is a strong Dionysian element to Krishna. However, Krishna didn’t get this attribute till later on, he’s a northern God of the west coast, whereas Dionysius is a god of southern india- as the greeks knew him to be. He was introduced by indians who colonized the area called Antioch to Europe. The God Mercury/Hermes came from the same vicinity just to the south. Judiasm has a great influence from the Ugarite-Hurrian population there in the form of rituals and linguistics… all three religions have a claim to this tradition- just the Judeo conception of it was much more advanced for the era of that time thanks to it’s Abraham roots that rejected the Hermetic model from Mesopotamia. It went on to have great influence though on the Indians and the Egyptians, and Plato as well- and later on recombined into variants of jewish and christian mysticism- though the Christians and the Sufi population can lay claim to other independent systems that are pretty advanced, such as the ennegram.
This being said, there is also a blatantly strong Alexandrian element to Hinduism now in general. The religion’s astrology is a direct importation of Alexander’s astrology (ironically india uses it, whereas we use the older model in the west), ever since Chandragupta Alexandrian models have been pursued and formulated.
However, as someone who has spent considerable amount of time operating around ISKCON, no… he’s no longer the Dionysian you expect him to be- he does a lot in the Mahabharata… but there isn’t much Dionysian about the religion. You have to realize the religion almost completely died off under the influence of the Greek-top heavy Buddhist, and it took Vaishnavism and Shiavism along time to recuperate before launching a counter offensive. The indian states were always under attack by Muslims and reconstituted empires under odd cultures here and there that emphasized different aspects of ‘hinduism’- which is like labeling Catholicism, Orthodoxy, Protestantism, Judiasm, and Islam and the Bahai faith as one lump religion… I assure you, there was a difference of opinion at times in who lead.
Now- Krishna is a sexual heart throb and that is his esteem, but he’s also monotheistic supporting a large priesthood and monastic complex and inter regional politics.
Read the Isapad Upanisad… it’s their main text.
Your cognitive structure is incorrect for Bhakti. The chanting is designed to bridge the Fe-Te separation of the right hemisphere on the INTJ faultline. The singing out load mixed with the beating that stimulates the modulated pace in the left hemisphere stimulates a large amount of brain lateralization- however, as your thalmus based, it’s using pathways largely unconscious to you. You won’t get the psychedelic rush as they would as your already conscious in both end points, but utilize a much more boring path. Nicheran Buddhism does this as well, as does most native chanting. You have to be open to the Basal Ganglia.
Dionysian religion stems from southern india, the hermetic tradition from mesopotamia, the Buddhist tradition was influenced by the greeks, the indians influenced poltinius who influenced later christian theologians. The Bhuddist and the Christians influenced the Manichean faith (according to the christian fathers from 50 AD, though there is a Madaean priest claiming they took from them, which is highly possibly) The chinese and muslims got the left overs. I’ve also been tracking evidence of a seemingly impossible flight of pagan arabs from arabia into Ethiopia across africa to Benin. I have scant sources on this, so am not in a place to say anything yet convincing even to me.
Nietzsche poundered the origins of the Dionysian cult began in a cave in asia minor in ‘my sister and i’. Perhaps so, not a bad guess as to european eyes the dionysian religion and the stoic religion sprung there, the the Mithraic cult had strong ties to the cthonic earth.
Cynicism and to a extent Dionysian and Mythraic religious elements were incorporated purposely into Christianity. There isn’t anything inherently mystery cult based about the religion outside the water baptism that has Zoroastrian roots in water and fire worship. But we took the trappings on cause that’s what the people liked- doesn’t really matter as christ didn’t proscribe a form persay for the religion outside of communion and baptism and the poverty angle- the last we tended to forget. Hard to say which religion is more Dionysian. Greek Orthodoxy gets down and boogies harder in church festivals than the ratha varna festival does, and they ain’t got shit in either case on roman catholic mardi gras.
Needs to be remembered that Krishna is NOT Dionysius in the beginning, and has a difficult time pulling it off sincerely today. However, Dwarka is correctly placed for the influenced to be felt, and your not incorrect for noticing elements. I myself would of noticed the orgy in the forest first over a fucking generic sphere… but whatever.