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  1. of course there are conspiracies, everyone believes in them. Or did you think 9/11 was caused by pilot error? 2) people do come forward, which you would know if you did some research.

Yes, my friend, I’m afraid you did. For I am not 40 years old.

Not quite sure if I understand that reference of your sentence when it concerns being fourty years old. :-k

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Keep it up I find it interesting.

If conspiracies don’t happen then where did the word come from?
Surely they are rare, all the more unsuspected, all the more dangerous.
Let the conspirators ramble and we will maintain awareness, should they stop then surely the conspiracy is abound.

Let the government decry it enough, and let enough movies be put out making conspiracy theorists be shown wrong and seem silly and there comes the wave of the entertained thinking that conspiracies are silly…
Perhaps the more conspiracies there are and the more that think them silly the more likely at least one is true that is being hidden by dilution, supported by some entity?

Movies are put out in association with military/think tank social conditioning.

The ones about conspiracies theoriest are not a coincidence. They are intentionally put out to obfuscate the truth. Look at like every Oliver Stone movie ever made. People think he’s making controversial movies and nothing could be further from the truth. He’s working for them.

Most people at this point cannot differentiate between reading something online and seeing it in a movie.

Ask a prosecutor who has spent time working on getting conspiracy convictions in organized crime if he or she has had trouble proving conspiracies took place that he or she is sure occurred. Conspiracies - generally on more modest levels then what get called conspiracy theories - happen all the time, our laws reflect this fact, and many cannot be proven to legal standards. To think that all high level conspiracies happened in the past - take for example the way JP Morgan and others shoved the US in WW1 for profit - but somehow ended recently bears the burden of proof.

And here we have a conspiracy theory.

Technically this makes sense with regards to the music used and also even the general music pervading America…
Drums became largely used primarily for use in marching and war…I would think that as a result there may actually be a degree of genetic memory if not simply social recognition of significant and particular forms of drumming being associative to war…And of course they are so often used in movies but also largely in music…like Heavy metal which is common to many soldiers…

For me ‘conspiracy theory’ is a neutral term. It does not mean silly or wrong. Otherwise the term is simply ridiculous. I was just pointing out it was a kind of conspiracy theory. Though it did have to do with films and not music.

I was addressing you both…should have made a better attempt to be clear…

Democracy only works when a people has a backbone. If the mind and the principles forged from it are looked down upon, and watching videos of people complaining is deemed the highest form of thinking, a society is not worth a representative government. It must be controlled from above, otherwise destruction is certain.

That tyranny guarantees profiteering is obvious, but in a nation of people without standards, everything is preferable to a representational government.

The ‘spirit of the people’ is no longer a western phenomenon - we are in a state of decay, and the few of us who are able to think realize that this is not our governments doing, but the results of not having to fight for anything. People, like all structural, tension-based entities, are in general not worth much to others if they are not forced to make an effort.

Philosophy has never had anything to do with the present, with the current political misery that is almost always occurring everywhere, but with ideas that may carve out cultures from coming centuries. In a generation of people who have been trained to not think about anything but the bliss of momentary indulgence, such activity is naturally considered useless.

No problem. Another reaction I have to the use of the term

Conspiracy theory

as a perjorative is that so many of the people who use the term that way fell for the Bush Administration’s conspiracy theory about WOMD in Iraq and on far less evidence than many CTheorists have for their theories. So an actual conspiracy - a CONSPIRACY to manipulate public support for a war (AS IF it had something to do with 9/11 and as if there was a real threat to Americans) by powerful members of the government - used an official conspiracy theory to get the job done.

When governments make up conspiracy theories they never seem to get this label.

And people go on an on speaking about conspiracy theories as if there were no conspiracies.

It’s bizarre.

They must think our law books are insane with so many kinds of crimes of conspiracy.

There is a difference between a conspiracy theory and a conspiracy fact. Sometimes people plan a conspiracy, and then they get caught. Most of the time they are not even trying to hide it because there is really no need to.

If you look at movies like Transformers, and other blatant social conditioning showers of propaganda and you see the entire thing is one symbiotic relationship with the US army, promoting their ideals about as obviously as possible, you don’t even need to look at the records to see the US government not only allowed them to use their stuff, but paid them a jesus stack of money to do it.

I’m sure if you were to ask Michael Bay, Stone, or whoever else outright, ‘hey, was this designed with the intention to steer the public towards some nationalistic morality?’ he would say ‘Of course. That’s not a conspiracy theory.’

Just like if you ask anyone outside of America ‘hey, was 9/11 an inside job?’ they would say ‘Yeah, of course, it’s an age-old geopolitical strategy being put to use yet again. What’s so surprising about that?’

If you take out pride a lot of these things become pretty common sense, obviously-a-psychopath-is-going-to-do-that type things. It’s only some conspiracy theory that you assert to others is impossible to solve (wtf? lol) when you’re too proud to admit that you got fucking fooled.

Sure, just because something describes a conspiracy does not mean it happened. It’s just a very strange term.

It would be like calling who you believe thinks poorly

a Thinker.

Oh, he’s just another thinker.

We know there are conspiracies. So the term conspiracy theory HAS TO BE neutral. And yet it is used pejoratively. The fact that people who are taking the position of being the rational ones keep using a term utterly irrationally and do not seem to notice this should be a warning sign.

Sometimes people plan a conspiracy, and then they get caught. Most of the time they are not even trying to hide it because there is really no need to.

I agree in general, though to me JFK made one skeptical about governement and theories, whereas I absolutely agree with the problem of Bay movies, et al.

It seems too many think nothing can be done…perhaps that is part of the problem…

I’ve yet to be familiar with any “facts”…

The main problem with conspiracy theories is that the people don’t like having an aspect of their government or thing personified…that is to say that people point at a single entity, and it seems ridiculous…Because that actually is…in reality it is a large complex interweaving of the social stratum…it isn’t necessarily some group thinking they are actually going to manipulate this or that…These people believe what they are doing is right…They probably don;t even think of it by any means as controlling the public opinions…rather they think they are encouraging support for the military…literally…then when they say that the consipacy theorists says oh that is bull shit …blah blah blah…and gets upset…in reality people need to point out how it is that such is negative because clearly they really do think like that…

Another problem is when the people get tired of the silly ideas the controlers are having and the things they are doing and instead of realizing they were being really stupid they destroy everybody…

The term itself is a conspiracy of sorts. It’s a psychological trigger. When it’s used in the media it (tries to) immediately discredit anything the person says. If you watch Bill O’Reilly when he has guests on that are gifted at debate you see how it’s a literal race to say (and qualify) certain terms first. For example if you go on O’Reilly and say ‘Now Bill, if you call me a nut, or a loon, or [this] you must first take into consideration [that…]’ then it changes the psychological dynamic of him using that term. Suddenly it doesn’t have that subconscious impact because it’s been brought to the conscious.

You’ve not familiar with any facts concerning conspiracies? That’s embarrassing to say the least. There are endless facts concerning conspiracies. So at this point many (myself included) would conclude you’ve simply never looked.

Wat.