What can i tell you? I can’t lie to Jesus, Flannel or otherwise. Logic does not determine what is true. It just doesn’t. You can look this up. It’s a tool, devised for a purpose, and finding out what is true is just not that purpose. This is why I nitpicked about the difference between truth and validity. The purpose of logic is to establish the validity of an argument. here’s a little snippet from Wiki:
“Logic (from the Greek λογική logikē)[1] is the formal systematic study of the principles of valid inference and correct reasoning. Logic is used in most intellectual activities, but is studied primarily in the disciplines of philosophy, mathematics, semantics, and computer science. Logic examines general forms which arguments may take, which forms are valid, and which are fallacies.”
Logic is not about truth, but about reasoning. I don’t make the news - I only report it.
Logic is self-referential, in that it is based upon axioms that are taken to be self-evident. I’m sorry to be the one to tell you. But I have studied logic for quite a while, and this is pretty much the straight dope.
It’s used to preserve truth, if there is truth to be preserved. It doesn’t determine truth. So there is a relationship between truth and logic - it’s just not the one you claim it to be.
I know this may all seem like nitpicking, but I have seen, over many years now, small mistakes, in nomenclature or in understanding, multiply to the point of nonsense, when people who do not know anything about logic get talking about it. It’s vital to get the basics down first, because logic is not a body of knowledge, it’s a method. I completely understand if you think I am obfuscating, or emphasising trivial elements of logic - many people here have. But you have to be precise about logic, or you get on a very slippery slope, very quickly.