Rather than infantalism, which I think is the usual feminist take on this, how about racialism? besides Arabs and Europeans, most women do not have any significant amount of hair on their legs, arms and so on.
Races whose women are renowned for their attractiveness usually have rather effeminate looking men: Thailand, Korea, Vietnam…; races known for the handsomeness of their men: Italians, Moroccans, Spaniards and so on, have rather unappealing women.
This is why men go to places like Cambodia for sex tourism, while women go to places like Turkey.
Hairy women are just not attractive, and likewise, hairless men are not sexy. (This same fact also goes for nose size, stature, complexion and other male-female specific attributes.) (One often overlooked reason for why Arabs keep their women covered, is because they are just so damn ugly.)
Must admit - Haven’t seen many middle-aged foreign women tramping about in Turkey looking for the Mehmet of their dreams. I’ll ask one next time I see one.
In fairness to your feelings, I do regret my disparaging remark about Spanish women, as they as well as their New World counter parts can be very beautiful. There are of course exceptions and middling races such as Indians and Slavs where both attractive men and women are common. But generally the expression ‘‘tall dark and handsome’’ holds for men, while ‘‘fair maiden’’ or ‘‘little hottie’’ holds for women. Slavs, for example, are tall and fair. (Recall also that in Italy and Korea, the women of the north, and the men of the south are, locally, considered more attractive; Thais hold the women with more Chinese in their blood, ie lighter complexioned, to be the nicest looking.)(With regard to Yunanistan: Apollo is a god --Aphrodite can hardly be called a looker.)
Regarding your bolding: not sure about your objection to my claim that European women are hairy --they are.
Korean men under the age of about 35 are more or less the definition of metrosexual, and (middle-class) Thai young men look just about like lady-boys whether or not they’re pre-op or post. And sorry, but Middle-Eastern and Mediterranean women are by in large down right homely.
If you’re in Turkey now (I’m in İstanbul this week for business), just ask around. (Don’t forget that female sex-tourism operates quite differently than male --you may be seeing it and not realize it.) (Bali is a major sex-tourism destination for Japanese women: taller, darker --and hairier.)
I might add as well, that these facts also apply to homosexuals; Morocco is a major destination for homosexual European sex-tourists, While the Go-Go bars in Angeles City Philippines have their fair share of lesbians.
I just mean to offer an alternative hypothesis: racialism, to the Feminist theory that women shave their legs for infantalist reasons.
LOL homely people are obviously not homely to some, otherwise we all would be downright perfect. Beautiful people tend to know they are and become downright useless. They can’t seem to get their nose away from the mirror.
In one way you could say that beauty is held to be worthless to some and homely is the true beauty.
And back to shaving. Unshaved legs can be downright itchy depending what material of clothing you are wearing and perhaps how tight it is and the weather. Form fitting blue jeans,unshaved legs and a hot day combine to make your legs itch like crazy especially once the blue jeans are removed.
When Feminists consider Yellow Fever (not the physiological African disease, the psychological Asian one) they describe it in terms of Ageist terms:IPSO EST: Infantilism. But ironically, what could be more racist? a fall back to the days of ‘‘our little brown brothers’’; as Feminism is largely and was first an Anglo-American phenomenon, exactly the culture which denies the existence of race, they could hardly explain the wide-spread male sexual facination with Asian women in terms of race.
The beautiful women of Ancient Egypt, prior to the Arab invasion of the 7th century were lithe and waif-like with cute little noses as evidenced by their art, see for example the goddess of beauty Hathor, and many other images:
It was not until the late Ptolemaic period that Roman noses appear in Egyptian Art, Alexander for instance was origionally portrayed in the same cute Hentai-like style that Tut was.
Feminists have been hamstrung by their Anglo-American anti-racist heritage in their consideration of gender relations. Theory of Personal Beauty has been completely over-run by Ageist Feminism, where Racist theory is at least as explanative. There is no doubt that 14 year old women are often nicer looking than 40 year olds, but Feminist denial of race has wound up being more racist than racial explanations.
Not only Yellow Fever and the Ageist theory Feminists have put forward, but also Feminist explanations of Hentai are racist.
I’ve had the yellow fever before. And the middle eastern fever. And the spanish/hispanic whatever fever. I really don’t care where a ho is from. I will say though that my own good white women have the pinkest pink parts. I’ve never been turned on by brownish nipples or uh…yeah. I made my last girlfriend stop tanning because of that. Is that pink fever? Or pink parts of white girls fever? I’m not reallly up on all the slang.
It was speculated earlier that maybe feminists are sexually frustrated women.
could it also be speculated that many anti-feminist males may be sexually frustrated men.
If my premise is true, here is my advice to the sexually frustrated men on this forum: Just listen to the women you hang out with, and try to fill her needs, she probably will listen back to you, and try to help you with your needs. No women has stompled and tried to conquer me b/c I listen to them and try to fill their needs. Having freedom to be who you are in a relationship is caused by mutual love and understanding, it takes way… way… more fucken energy to be an asshole, and then “when” she figures out your misogenous ways, she will fuck you over back. Women are only passive until acted upon.
Men and women are different in every culture either caused by biology or cultural circumstances (though there is always some overlap), and I am not denying that. but I find this thread interesting in that it is kind of like a “girls vs. boys” game or something.
Trying to proove that gender roles are biological doesn’t proove that they “have” to be that way. Humans are constantly changing due to environment and circumstance. The question we should ask is, “what kind of world do we want our kids to grow up in?” … not, “if that is how it was back then, that is how its gots to be now.”
If you are a misogenous male, and that is the world you envision to live in, fine, but realize that women are now dominating the psychology field, and that more men want more harmony, and we are starting to outnumber you in politics, and if we catch you doing really bad shit to women, we will lock your sorry hateful ass up in jail, and only smile as your limbs atrophete. … don’t worry though, cause bubba will keep you company like no woman ever could.
Chuckle, there are more than two schools of thought regarding feminism. There is a group that denigrates all men, others me focus on the superiority of women, but believe that women need men for procreation, others claim that men are unneccessary and violent, then the group that appeals to me accepts humans as humans, who simply should be treated in a similar, equitable fashion. However, there are problems with the equitable part in some professions. Can a woman be as good a fireperson as a male in carrying a 150lb. person from a burning building? Can a woman fight as well as a man in hand to hand combat? Can a woman be as effective in law enforcement as a man? Some studies show that women have a calming effect on violent situations. Can a man be as effective in verbals skills as women? Can a man be as resourceful as women in figuring out how to achieve certain goals? Can a man multitask as well as a woman?
Some studies argue that the advent of discrimination against women occurred with the advent of property ownership, but how does this explain the misogyny among nomadic groups. Then again, other studies reveal that the early rural communities valued women equally with men as the burial chambers show that both had equal status.
Regardless, currently, most of the world’s women are subjegated and discriminated against, and religion is usually the justification for this. Great strides have been made, and women would not have the rights they now have, if not for men.
We are all human, but frankly, men have superior strengths in some areas, and women have superior strengths in other areas. That is, we need each other for balance.
LOL, my significant other was single for eleven years, and has zero problems with shopping for any product, and I sure as hell can change a flat tire. However, forget the car repair-I was never taught as my gonads were in the wrong place. However, we both swap household and yard chores, and we know how to wipe our own ass without help.
LOL, the 50’s were a time of racism and sexism. Lynchings and uncontrolled domestic violence occurred. The rape victim was the one accused, “what did you do to cause him to rape you?” Shit, even during the 70’s girls had to wear dresses and skirts to school. Women we not allowed equity in the workplace if they wanted to remain single, or wanted to leave a abusive husband.
Technology is missing from the various claims. The issue of strength may be moot, as eventually robots will be able to do what most humans cannot physically do., and are currently doing so in automobile plants. That is, a woman can run a ranch or farm just as effectively as a man as she has harvesters and helicopters to reap and herd cattle. Airplanes and bombs have replaced the need for numerous combat troops. Pneumatic wrenches replace the need for brute strength to replace a tire. A mechanical pulley can remove a engine for repair.
The mechanization of the world has created more balance, and allows women freedom she has never before known. We have washers, dryers, microwaves, edgers, mowers, and both men and women can just as effectively do housework and yardwork.
Similar to Kris, I work ten and eleven hour days, but this is for pay, and great medical benefits. Thankfully, if the worst happens with my significant other’s work, I make enough to provide for both of us. It is nice to be valued as a mate and economic contributor to the household.
Women who decided not to marry, or wanted to be artists, or wanted to run a business were considered either eccentric, or unladylike, or a lesbian. This fear of empowered women is evidenced on this thread, especially by the very insecure Joker.
What are so many men afraid of? There have been many women considered genius, or adventurous, but also considered weird. Many women have advised kings and queens, but are not given credit.
Thankfully, Royce is not an insecure male and knows how to wipe his own ass.
Actually, yes, I have been following this thread with interest. My point is that women cannot do certain “chores” as we have been told “You cannot, because you” have the wrong gonads.
You might be surprised regarding how many emancipated men are walking around. I use to date a guy who was a bit upset that I made tea, and brought him a cup. Why? “I do not want to become dependent on another person.”
Did you ever think that a man might be insulted that your offered to help him with the shopping. Or perhaps, a woman might be insulted is a male changed her flat tire, when she is able to??
