On Emptiness and Virtue

[i]“This mode is called emptiness because it’s empty of the presuppositions we usually add to experience to make sense of it: the stories and world-views we fashion to explain who we are and the world we live in. Although these stories and views have their uses, the Buddha found that some of the more abstract questions they raise - of our true identity and the reality of the world outside - pull attention away from a direct experience of how events influence one another in the immediate present. Thus they get in the way when we try to understand and solve the problem of suffering.”

“To master the emptiness mode of perception requires training in firm virtue, concentration, and discernment. Without this training, the mind tends to stay in the mode that keeps creating stories and world views. And from the perspective of that mode, the teaching of emptiness sounds simply like another story or world view with new ground rules. In terms of your views about the world, it seems to be saying either that the world doesn’t really exist, or else that emptiness is the great undifferentiated ground of being from which we all came and to which someday we’ll all return.”[/i]

(Thanissaro Bhikkhu)

In Buddhist philosophy and practice 'emptiness’ and 'virtue’ are both highly regarded concepts. For many people these two concepts initially seem to be diametrically opposed. But it is precisely to the extent that these concepts are seen as separate or opposed (rather than as at least integral with each other) that they are in fact misunderstood. The misunderstanding itself is not essentially problematic - all Buddhists (let alone non-Buddhists) misunderstand these concepts as essentially separate to varying degrees.

Introduction

Buddhist philosophy and logic are always grounded in the direct experience of living. As a practical philosophical tradition, the primary concern of the practitioner is to utilize the views and methods received from one’s teachers in order to help know how to fully engage in one’s own subjective experience of self and world without dishonesty or diversion. As a popular religion, the ‘believer’ (who might not be an actual practitioner) has at least some level of trust in the experience of Gautama Buddha and his various lineages - and in the philosophies and logics which naturally arose in response to these revered practitioners’ own direct experiences of reality free from distortion.

Discerning what is real or true or valuable, as opposed to what is unreal or false or negligible (i.e. fabricated and simultaneously misapprehended by the volatile imagination) is a very basic and necessary human project, connected to survival as well as to happiness or to any other human goal. The scientific method is of course completely built on this foundation, and scientists typically separate wholesale the subjective from the objective (largely discarding subjective experience as untrustworthy) as a matter of course. Scientific materialism, at least in the typical simplistic sense, generally can’t ever approach the place where the subjective and the objective might meet, since subjective experience is so often trivialized as fundamentally false. That subjective experience is ultimately the only way to apprehend and comprehend objective reality at all is rarely acknowledged as anything more than a truism.

Discerning what is real from wholly within the subjective sphere (not as opposed to it), is of fundamental concern in Buddhist theory and practice. Subjective mental states aren’t seen as completely real or unreal, or equally worthy or unworthy (i.e. since they are all ‘merely’ subjective), but are valued and cultivated systematically in relation to what is traditionally established as valid criteria - that suffering always arises from a mental outlook that is in fundamental conflict with the ways things are. Buddhism is often and not incorrectly seen as a worldview and set of methods ‘designed’ to lead people away from frivolous suffering (as opposed to the basic realities of life which are unavoidable), but this aspect might in fact be somewhat overemphasized. It is also true that unnecessary suffering can be evidence of a mental outlook which is at odds with living reality. It is in this sense that philosophical and even mythological Buddhism can be considered “mind science”, as it sometimes is - but it is the role of science, not of Buddhism, to be concerned with materialistic projects such as mapping the brain’s territory in ever more detailed correlation with subjective experiences such as fear, joy, and so forth.

Shamatha

The practices undertaken by Buddhists are for the most part surprisingly straightforward. At its most basic level, meditation is nothing other than maintaining awareness of the qualities, contents and movements of the mind, utilizing the mind’s natural clarity and intelligence for the purpose. The stated result possible from undertaking the foundational practice of shamatha (“calm abiding”) meditation is a likely increase in the mind’s innate stability, clarity, and strength. These qualities are revealed as innate to the sentient mind, rather than added to the mind as some kind of antidote. It is the Buddhist view that our delusions and conflicting emotions are adventitious and that we are in fact naturally and fundamentally sane and ‘good’. The power of Buddhist meditational practices comes from their correctness (for instance in the sense that the scientific method is correct in relation to scientific goals) and from undertaking them regularly and with sincerity.

The basic initial insight - the experience which gradually dawns for someone who may be a beginner but has nonetheless undertaken a fair amount of regular practice, is that it is not necessary, and is in fact inhibiting and imprisoning, to prop up our egos in the various subtle and obvious ways in which we typically do. We are not our opinions, and when we drop our opinions we don’t disappear or stop functioning. We are not the roles we inhabit, and we are not the thoughts which seem to chaotically bounce off the walls inside our brains. Whichever props we habitually (and for the most part subconsciously) utilize to reinforce our sense of selfhood - they are just props and can be fruitfully seen for what they are. My own experience in letting go of these props is that when I simply exist, with my human perspicaciousness fully intact, there is a palpable sense of existential buoyancy - it is possible to “let go” and in doing so a natural sense of ease and wellbeing arises that is both functional and liberating. Prior to this kind of insight, many newcomers to Buddhism and meditation will often say they just want a little more peace in their life - but they definitely do not want to go so far as to “get rid of” their ego, which they mistakenly think and feel to exist as a reality in the first place. The ability to live with strength and purpose and the know-how and willpower to accomplish projects and goals are human qualities that are enhanced, not diminished, through correct Buddhist practice.

One of the instructions given in shamatha meditation is that when thoughts or images arise in the mind during meditation the meditator should simply be aware of what is happening in the mind. A meditative object has been given, such as mindfulness of the physical process of breathing, and the meditator repeatedly returns to that object of attention, without either getting carried away by the mind’s distractions or attempting to shut them out or turn them off. In this way the mind’s innate qualities of mindfulness and awareness are revealed and developed.

Vipashana

Following from some level of cultivation of the stability, clarity, and strength of the mind, the practitioner may then undertake the practices of vipashana or ‘insight’ meditation. Insight meditation can take various forms, and may include systematic logic and intellectual analysis.

The artful joining of calm abiding and insight (shamatha and vipashana) can be considered “a meditative way of knowing”. It is in the context of this “way of knowing” that a person can most efficiently come to realize their own nature, their own self-potential, and the nature of the greater world. All Buddhist meditative practices can be classified as either shamatha or vipashana. In an ideal sense it is only after the practitioner has established beyond doubt that the essential nature of meditation is in letting things be and coming to some understanding of reality as it is (rather than fabricating some sort of mental fantasy) that he or she would engage in further practices which could otherwise be misconstrued as such a fantastical fabrication. Even practices that are simply concerned with the development of virtues are ideally understood as not a construction of ideals which might with some sort of poverty mentality be regarded as a necessary antidote to the supposedly fundamental evil or chaos of the world.

Emptiness

Emptiness, as a formal philosophical concept, arises out of logical and inferential investigations into the nature of reality as well as from direct meditative insight. A common synonym for ‘emptiness’ is ‘openness’ which can have more experiential and practical connotations, as opposed to the seemingly abstract or intellectual connotations of ‘emptiness’. Both English terms are loose translations of the Sanskrit term ‘shunyata’. The meaning of ‘shunyata’ is more complex (and in some ways different) than ‘emptiness’ or ‘openness’ suggest though, having additional positive experiential connotations which the English terms are insufficient to convey. Nonetheless, ‘emptiness’ is the English term now most commonly used to express ‘shunyata’.

Perhaps the most basic meaning of emptiness is that reality is empty of our preconceptions or ideas about it. No matter how refined our inferential understanding of reality is, that understanding is always incomplete or in some way wrong. No matter how much we know about ourselves and the world we always have the capacity to be surprised by new circumstances. Stories we tell about ourselves to give sense and meaning to our lives are in one respect just stories. Theories regarding how or why events occur are likewise just theories. Conceptions of the past and future are in one respect simply presently passing conceptions. Stories, theories, and conceptions are certainly powerful tools in our everyday lives and (importantly) have tremendous utility and can even point us away from delusion, but it would be a mistake of some magnitude to see such limited conceptions as identical to measureless reality itself:

“There is unlimited sound, unlimited sight, unlimited taste, unlimited feeling and so on. The realm of perception is limitless, so limitless that perception itself is primordial, unthinkable, beyond thought. There are so many perceptions that they are beyond imagination. There are a vast number of sounds. There are sounds that you have never heard. There are sights and colors that you have never seen. There are feelings that you have never experienced before. There are endless fields of perception.”

(Chogyam Trungpa)

Emptiness is also a description of ‘reality’ in its ultimate inclusive sense though - that is, of all conceivable phenomena, whether ‘real’ or imagined - free of all categorical dualities. Emptiness is not expressive of some negative static state at all, but of the full dynamic reality which pervades all phenomena. All phenomena are empty of essence or self-nature, and modally exist in a dynamic state of complete relativity. If an object’s essence (“from its own side”) could be said to pervade that object’s entire modal reality, it is in the exact opposite sense that emptiness is said to pervade all reality, as emptiness in part means exactly this lack of essence. Emptiness is the true mode of existence of all phenomena, whether subjective or objective. Though a real experience of emptiness can in fact become a solid basis for living life in a full and meaningful way, that experiential reality does not at all imply that there is some metaphysical substance pervading the universe, on which we can depend for security and comfort. Reality is empty of both essence and duality, phenomena arise in dependence on a plethora of causes and conditions, and we can never release ourselves from our own subjective experience into some supposedly independent objective reality. Emptiness is not a ‘true’ reality which is in some way ‘behind’ illusive appearance, but is in fact no different than appearance itself. According to the Heart Sutra:

“Form is emptiness; emptiness also is form. Emptiness is no other than form; form is no other than emptiness. In the same way, feeling, perception, formation, and consciousness are emptiness. Thus, Shariputra, all dharmas are emptiness.”

(Nalanda Translation Committee)

The concepts of karma and of dependent co-production formalize in a meaningful way an understanding of how cause and effect work in relation to the ultimate principle of emptiness. Emptiness might be understood most straightforwardly as the ultimate expression of the principles of complex causality and relativity, which describe the processes of functionality and utility from a non-ultimate perspective:

[i]“The method of understanding other things as like the example of illusion is as follows: For example, when a magician manifests an illusion, though there never was any horse or ox there, the appearance of horse and ox undeniably arises. In the same way, things such as persons, although they were always empty of any objectively established intrinsic reality as objects, are understood as undeniably appearing to have that status. Thus the appearances of gods and humans are represented as persons, and the appearances of forms and sounds and so on are represented as objects, and although not even an atom in persons and objects has intrinsically identifiable intrinsic reality, all the functions of relativities such as accumulation of evolutionary actions and seeing and hearing are viable. Voidness is not nihilistic, since all functions are viable because of it. Since one simply becomes aware of that voidness, things having always and ever been void, neither is it just a mentally made-up voidness. Since all things knowable are accepted in that way, it is not a partial voidness, and when one meditates upon it, it serves as the remedy for all the automatic reifications of the truth habits.”

“When those two facts - that is, the viability of relativity and the absence of intrinsic reality - seem contradictory, one should consider the pattern of their noncontradiction by using examples of mirror images and so forth. Thus the mirror image of an object, such as a face, although it is void of the reality of the eyes and ears and the like that appear in it, is still produced depending on the object and the mirror, and it is destroyed when either of those conditions is removed. Those two facts - its voidness of the objects and its being produced depending on them - are undeniably coincident in the same phenomenon.”

“Like that, there is not even an atom of intrinsic reality status in the person, and yet this does not contradict its being the accumulator of evolutionary actions, the experiencer of evolutionary effects, and its being produced depending on the actions and addictions of previous lives. One should cultivate this consideration. Thus one should understand illusoriness in this way on every such occasion…”[/i]

(Tsong Khapa)

It is a common point of confusion that Buddhist expositions of the emptiness principle categorically deny the reality of cause and effect. But cause and effect is typically understood as linear and deterministic and it is essentially that limited understanding that is refuted. A more complex or holistic understanding of cause and effect is reached in the light of a preliminary understanding of emptiness. Since all phenomena lack inherent existence, manifesting only with respect to a plethora of underlying and simultaneous causes and conditions, it is possible to approach our life’s goals with far more intelligence and skill. It is possible (and likely the most effective route) to deal with problems in an indirect manner - working with the causes and conditions that give rise to a particular phenomenon, rather than directly with the particular phenomenon (whether mental or non-mental) which seems to be the direct source of our confusion or suffering. Emptiness is not a static alternative to the problems which seem so solid and real to us - it is not an alternative mental state - it is a description of the non-fixed nature of the very ‘problematic’ phenomena which seem in our everyday life to be so stubbornly persistent. From a Buddhist point of view a mental phenomena is problematic (a ‘defilement’) when it blinds the practitioner to the reality of its own insubstantiality:

“‘Defilement,’ according to Buddhism, is any state of mind that will prevent us from gaining knowledge and insight. Defilement is a direct translation of drib pa in Tibetan, which literally means ‘veil.’ There is something between you and insight/knowledge that you have to remove. Actually ‘veil’ is a better translation, because ‘defilement’ suggests that we have been tainted, but there is actually no real connotation of that in Buddhist thinking.”

(Traleg Kyabgon)

Virtue

Virtue then is intimately connected to emptiness, and is functional precisely because of emptiness. The Tibetan word translated in English as virtue is ‘gewa’:

“The word gewa doesn’t have the moralistic quality that we in the West might associate with virtue, by the way. Rather, it connotes any beneficial activity - such as generosity or meditation - that brings delight. All happiness comes from virtue. Suffering arises from migewa, or nonvirtue - actions based on self-obsession. Because such actions are nonvirtuous, they give rise to obstacles.”

(Sakyong Mipham)

Virtue is also a natural expression of emptiness, in the sense that fundamental dualities are at least to some degree understood as fabrications of the deluded mind. As the “I-other” duality is softened through committed practice, virtue arises as a natural response to this new understanding of the world and the practitioner’s own place in that world. It becomes more and more obvious, both intellectually and intuitively, that we are not just isolated individuals, fundamentally alienated from a world in which we mysteriously happen to find ourselves in, but are in many ways completely interdependent with other people, as well as with all aspects of reality. Qualities such as love and compassion are not in fact antidotes artificially applied to a deficient world, but arise spontaneously out of a more direct and intelligent relationship with this same world. The conscious cultivation of these innate qualities (through skillfully working with the adventitious ‘defilements’ which obstruct self-existing realization) is the cultivation of virtue, which is a discipline which in itself leads in the direction of a direct realization of emptiness.

The bodhisattva ideal is generally seen as the purest or highest form of virtue. The Bodhisattva’s main practice is the cultivation of ‘bodhicitta’, which in one word summarizes the complete integration of the seemingly opposite concepts of emptiness and virtue (or more correctly, of wisdom and compassion). A bodhisattva is a practitioner who has vowed to work for the benefit of others. Additionally, a bodhisattva in a strictly classical sense is said to have reached the first stage of stable realization, in that he or she has had a direct, non-inferential insight into the reality of emptiness - of the selflessness of both persons and objects. From this stage forward it is said that there can be no falling away from that insight, which provides a solid (and ironically completely groundless and insubstantial) foundation for all further realization. The main formal practices of a bodhisattva are directly connected to both emptiness and virtue. ‘The Six Perfections’ describe virtuous practices which are brought to perfection through an understanding (or direct realization) of emptiness. For instance generosity (traditionally the first of the six perfections) is perfected through the realization that “there is no giver, there is no receiver, there is no gift”. The Six Perfections are generosity, discipline, patience, enthusiastic effort, meditation, and wisdom.

Conclusion:

Wisdom is the subjective corollary to emptiness. Consciousness purified of delusions and defilements is completely transformed, and becomes wisdom itself. Through wisdom the nature of the subjective mind is seen as emptiness and as well the nature of the objective world is seen as emptiness. So a true experience of non-duality isn’t a mere inferential conflation of subjective experience with objective facts, but is an unfaltering realization that those two aspects of existence are of the same fundamental nature. This wisdom is intricately connected to virtue, and can only be finally realized through a dual path of the cultivation of both wisdom and virtue:

“To the extent that one has progressed in the first five paramitas, one’s wisdom increases; to the extent that one has progressed in wisdom, one improves the practice of the first five paramitas. Wisdom sees all phenomena without error.”

(Konchog Gyaltsen)

This is my understanding of the connection between emptiness and virtue in Buddhist worldview. All of my understanding is due to my teachers and all faults are completely my own. I know everyone says this kind of thing, but in this case it is very literally true. How would I know anything at all about this subject on my own?

It is extremely difficult to coordinate and make basic sense of the Buddhist teachings in a practical and personal way through casual perusal of internet sites or books, though those may certainly be beneficial. I have found living, breathing teachers to be indispensable to developing any understanding I have. In terms of meditation practice, it is best by far to receive meditation instruction in person. The body is not at all negligible and a qualified meditation instructor will be able to help in terms of posture (and method of course) in a way that no book can.

“Our understanding of Buddhism is not just an intellectual understanding. True understanding is actual practice itself.” (Shunryu Suzuki)

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A good essay. I’m curious, how familiar are you with Aristotle’s view of virtue and eudaimonia/thriving? I’m admittedly not terribly familiar with the Buddhist concept of virtue, so I am curious whether the parallels you’ve established are due to actual parallels or are created from knowledge of Aristotle’s views.

Thank you. :slight_smile:

I don’t know Aristotle at all really - and I’ve never heard of “eudaimonia”. :blush:

Nicely done, anon. I have some minor doctrinal differences with you, but I’ll leave that alone, considering your effort here. I liked how you linked your own practice experience with the concepts, it makes the essay more readable.

BTW, perhaps you’ll find this paper related to Xunzian’s question. He likes to use big words but, fortunately, they usually represent something that’s easy to understand. :wink:

http://www.cbs.columbia.edu/flanagan_BB_ch3.pdf

Thanks Ingenium. :slight_smile:

I now have an Aristotle book from the library at home, and the paper you posted looks quite pertinent, even beyond the question of the connection to Aristotle. It might take me some time to read it more fully.

I’m curious about the “minor doctrinal differences” you mention. My guess is that my knowledge or powers of expression are deficient. Also though, I take Buddhist doctrines to be fairly fluid in how they are expressed as either provisional or ultimate teachings and how those styles can be casually mixed. So maybe that approach causes doctrinal mishaps.

In other words the loser is playing the game of emptiness with himself knowing it is useless for everybody, but on the first place for himself.

What?

You could probably play a lot on “loser” and “useless” here, anon. By the way I did read this when you linked me up previously, and thoroughly appreciated the revisitation to my halcyon Buddhist days (NKT contaminated though it apparently was). :smiley:

I am going to start with this explanation of “emptiness” because of all the descriptions covered it is the only one that actually makes sense. The mental blank state void of any judgment is akin to the one a very young child has, which has not yet acquired sufficient life experience to consolidate his own identity and to impose value judgments over phenomena in the world. It is simple (detached) awareness, and there is nothing profound about it.

It is what happens next that I have an issue with. The Buddhists don’t just describe this mental state as one of many of which the humans are capable of, they elevate it to the point where they negate all of the existence for its sake! I mean, I understand valuing one mindset slightly over the other, but can you fathom any superlative greater than what Buddhists came up with? Negate all existence and make the detached infant-mind perception the only real thing! Sorry, but I smell an agenda. Sounds like somebody wanted people to embrace this zombie-mind really bad…and for good.

:astonished: #-o

Pardon my language but this is nothing more than an art of mindfuckery. I can see a couple of bored teenagers high on dope talking this nonsense…but to make it a scholarly pursuit, and to recruit others?! What I see being done is redefinition of ideas into vague and often contradictory concepts (using nonsensical terms like infinite, unlimited, endless, etc.) until the mind can no longer make sense of things and enters into a state of subdued trance. Things like “fundamental nature”, “truth”, “reality” and “existence” get redefined into concepts which are necessarily tied to no-mind/ ‘emptiness’ and associated with transcendental spiritualism, wisdom and virtue. Everything revolves around this no-mind “emptiness” - the holy grail and window into real reality for Buddhists.

So what do I think is really happening, or has happened to Prince Gautama as he reached his enlightenment? Let’s see, Buddha came from a ruling class, didn’t he? So he must have been taught how to think like one from the ruling class from the very early childhood, and one of the things that the ruling class have to know is how to keep their subjects from rising to rebellion and usurping their power. What I think really happened is that he came up with an ‘enlightened’ idea on how to most effectively control his subjects. Yes, maybe he did see extreme suffering in his city, but I bet the first thing that he did was to thank his lucky stars. He may have been benevolent, but not that benevolent. As far as I know, the ruling class of Nepal continued their existence after Buddhism went in effect, and so did the poor. Things went on as before except people were more set into their perspective classes (rich were likely to stay rich and poor were likely to stay poor, and become even more oblivious of their own suffering).

With Buddhist pacifying mentality, the poor under the control of the ruling class were less likely to resist the power of the noble classes. Why would they need to? It’s their karma, it’s their set destiny. Add the desensitization and detachment that is preached and presented as the superior state of mind, excuse me, not just a superior state of mind, but the gateway into real reality ITSELF, the common people become less moved by the suffering that is going on and perpetuated before they eyes, and even to themselves. Remember, none of it is real.
No wonder Nepal had so many starving will less slaves and serfs under traditional Buddhism. Buddhism has castrated the will of the people, especially of the common people who are easily beguiled by the upper class “intellectuals” and priests.

What Gautama has done is a great service to all of the nobles living under Buddhism’s influence. I can just see the nobles sitting in a chai house clinking their tea cups and hailing Buddhism as one of the greatest political inventions - and glandly coughing up money to sponsor its propagation as far as possible.

Pandora, I think you’ve misunderstood the ideas conveyed in my essay so enormously that I have to rethink my ability to communicate. Thanks for your input.

Perhaps this snippet from another thread will help on the emptiness thing…

It has nothing to do with a “mental blank state”. It’s about not fixating and narrowing the world to your own limited version of it. This does not contradict the ability to hold provisional views and function perfectly well in the world.

That’s how I basically see it, in its most basic and benevolent form. There is no transcendental state of mind, other than what would be classified as detached hypnosis. Hypnotised people can also function in the world just fine, but they are not completely here, they are in a self-induced trance. That’s why Buddhists can set themselves on fire and walk on coals and do all these kinds of things. They’ve mentally detached themselves so far, that pain and suffering does not bother them anymore.

Transcendental how? What are you saying? For example, a dignified person can transcend degraded circumstances. It doesn’t mean they’re channeling another reality. Dignified people aren’t in a trance state. In fact, it’s quite the opposite.

Did I say something in the essay about a “transcendental state of mind”? I can’t remember. If I did, I meant it in a very natural way, as in my comments above (in this post).

See, you just made a statement of what REALITY is. And if one reads Buddhist teachings one will notice that there is a consistent implication that a non-judgemental (blank) perception of the world is the only one that is capable of grasping true reality. So, if our perception is not empty, it’s not real? This is one way to redifine reality, while giving any subjective judgements an aura of illusion or inferior value.

And it is ironic, too, because while Buddhists emphasise not imposing values on perception they are doing exactly that.

No, I stated what it isn’t. Do you disagree? If you do disagree, the implication would be that there are no undeluded views at all.

There is no “grasping” of “true reality” possible. The very first quote in the essay by Thanissaro Bhikkhu makes that clear. Reality isn’t something substantial or tangible “behind the veil”, and there is no “it” to “grasp”.

There’s nothing wrong with subjective judgements. But most people, including myself, tend to think their own subjective judgements are objective facts. We’re mostly pretty opinionated.

anon, I’m reminded of that great Buddhist virtue of tolerance of ignorance. We often seek the productive ‘teaching moment’, but it also often eludes us, lol. Not that I presume that’s your goal, anyway.

Ah, well. ](*,)

Anon,

A valiant and well thought-out essay. I’m not as familiar with Buddhism as I should be. I’m more of a half-baked Taoist which, because of it’s terseness, accomodates a more simple mind such as mine.

Just a couple of things: Can you see that there is a possibility that by pointing out that enlightenment is nothing special, that you make it something special? I think perhaps that is Pandora’s issue. 'The Tao that can be named is not the Tao" So what are we to do? The emptiness that can be named is not emptiness. The masters, as Ingenium points outs, must wait for that teaching moment, or the “turning word”. Taoists speak of the wordless teaching. “The sage neither goes out to meet them or to see them off.” Taoists also speak of “unprincipled knowing”. Sounds nasty, doesn’t it? Shame on those who are unprincipled. But the term is meant to counsel knowing our pre-conceived notions and not allowing them to bring judgement to our experience.

My understanding of suffering is quite limited, but it seems to me that we suffer because of our pre-judgements and un-fulfilled expectations rooted in those pre-judgements. For me, that churning field of “emptiness” is filled with latent novelty and sponteneity - if we allow it. Sadly few of us can hold that in being very long, and so suffering seems to be a part of us. Darn the luck.

Thanks for the kind thoughts Ingenium.

And thanks Oughtist too. I didn’t mean to ignore you.

Thank you Tentative. I’ve always liked half-baked Taoists.

I’m a big fan of ironies, whereas some people aren’t. On the other hand, I think the clarity of an organized framework can be very helpful. I’ve noticed elsewhere that people get hung up on whether Buddhism is radically different than common sense, or just plain publicly available common sense. I guess there’s a koan-like quality to that question.

That strikes me as an accurate statement. I’d add that “pre-judgements and un-fulfilled expectations” can be of a completely embedded sort, meaning I remember suffering pretty intensely at an age young enough that I didn’t have any consciously developed pre-judgements or notions of what to expect in life.

You made a positive claim about the nature of reality. You stated “reality is…”. You were defining it as X. If reality is X, then that implies that it is not Y. Hence it is infered that subjective value judgements are are illusory.

Some perspectives enable us to survive and continue our existence, others don’t. Also, some perspectives enable one class of people to hold power over the other and control the nature of their existence over many generations. Some are more deluded then others and end up ‘paying’ for it.

Well, reality to me is very much so substantial and so is the pain and suffering. By rejecting the validity of the very much so tangible existence that is right before your eyes and calling “emptiness” the real reality is an act of psychological withdrawal/cowardice.

I don’t claim my opinions to be objective facts. They are my opinions, my worldview, based on my experience and I lay them out as such. Being subjective beings, confined to our physical bodies throughout the duration of our existence, we cannot know what objective ‘true’ reality is like. We simply cannot and even if we tried we would simply be making things up.