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Re: Discussion: is Carleas secretly a white supremacist a na

Postby Gloominary » Thu Dec 19, 2019 12:42 am

WendyDarling wrote:I don't believe that the Jews only make up .2% of the global population. If their true, greatly higher numbers were divulged, their minority status as "THE" protected class above all protected classes would disappear. Simple fact checking online revealed that the number of those who perished in the Holocaust has been highly exaggerated, the 6 million, when there were only 505,000 Jews in Germany in 1933, another source quotes their numbers around 400,000, which leads me to believe that their current numbers are shown in reverse as fewer to protect their minority, victim status.

https://www.feldgrau.com/WW2-Germany-Statistics-and-Numbers
https://encyclopedia.ushmm.org/content/en/article/germany-jewish-population-in-1

Yea, the numbers don't appear to add up.

According to the census of June 16, 1933, the Jewish population of Germany, including the Saar region (which at that time was still under the administration of the League of Nations), was approximately 505,000 people out of a total population of 67 million, or somewhat less than 0.75 percent. That number represented a reduction from the estimated 523,000 Jews living in Germany in January 1933; the decrease was due in part to emigration following the Nazi takeover in January. (An estimated 37,000 Jews emigrated from Germany during 1933.)

https://encyclopedia.ushmm.org/content/en/article/germany-jewish-population-in-1933

If they were exaggerating their numbers then to make it look like more of them died than did, they could be hiding their numbers now to make themselves look more vulnerable than they are, so as to garner sympathy.

BTW, I don't believe in the holocaust conspiracy theory.

Everyone interested in this matter should watch the doc Cole in Auschwitz by David Cole, an honest and courageous Jew.

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Postby WendyDarling » Thu Dec 19, 2019 2:57 am

That was a good documentary! Thanks Gloominary. How does the number of Jews killed keep growing? 6 million seemed unbelievable at the outlay and to find out that it was originally 4 million thanks to the Soviets in the 80's and researched later to be only 1.1 million or less. How many of the actual number were Jews, not gypsies, dissidents and the like? Were any prisoners ever even gassed rather than dying from disease and starvation due to the war cutting off camp supplies?
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Re: Discussion: is Carleas secretly a white supremacist a na

Postby WendyDarling » Thu Dec 19, 2019 3:04 am

phyllo wrote:Jewish deaths by country:

https://encyclopedia.ushmm.org/content/ ... by-country


How were the Soviets holocausted?
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Re: Discussion: is Carleas secretly a white supremacist a na

Postby phyllo » Thu Dec 19, 2019 4:28 am

WendyDarling wrote:
phyllo wrote:Jewish deaths by country:

https://encyclopedia.ushmm.org/content/ ... by-country


How were the Soviets holocausted?
Killing squads went in after territory was occupied. This was all part of the policy of 'cleansing' the area in preparation for settlement.
After the invasion of the Soviet Union on 22 June 1941, the Einsatzgruppen's main assignment was to kill civilians, as in Poland, but this time its targets specifically included Soviet Communist Party commissars and Jews.[43] In a letter dated 2 July 1941 Heydrich communicated to his SS and Police Leaders that the Einsatzgruppen were to execute all senior and middle ranking Comintern officials; all senior and middle ranking members of the central, provincial, and district committees of the Communist Party; extremist and radical Communist Party members; people's commissars; and Jews in party and government posts. Open-ended instructions were given to execute "other radical elements (saboteurs, propagandists, snipers, assassins, agitators, etc.)." He instructed that any pogroms spontaneously initiated by the population of the occupied territories were to be quietly encouraged.[65]

On 8 July, Heydrich announced that all Jews were to be regarded as partisans, and gave the order for all male Jews between the ages of 15 and 45 to be shot.[66] On 17 July Heydrich ordered that the Einsatzgruppen were to kill all Jewish Red Army prisoners of war, plus all Red Army prisoners of war from Georgia and Central Asia, as they too might be Jews
Unlike in Germany, where the Nuremberg Laws of 1935 defined as Jewish anyone with at least three Jewish grandparents, the Einsatzgruppen defined as Jewish anyone with at least one Jewish grandparent; in either case, whether or not the person practised the religion was irrelevant.[68] The unit was also assigned to exterminate Romani people and the mentally ill. It was common practice for the Einsatzgruppen to shoot hostages.[69]

As the invasion began, the Germans pursued the fleeing Red Army, leaving a security vacuum. Reports surfaced of Soviet guerrilla activity in the area, with local Jews immediately suspected of collaboration. Heydrich ordered his officers to incite anti-Jewish pogroms in the newly occupied territories.[70] Pogroms, some of which were orchestrated by the Einsatzgruppen, broke out in Latvia, Lithuania, and Ukraine.[71] Within the first few weeks of Operation Barbarossa, 40 pogroms led to the deaths of 10,000 Jews, and by the end of 1941 some 60 pogroms had taken place, claiming as many as 24,000 victims.[71][72] However, SS-Brigadeführer Franz Walter Stahlecker, commander of Einsatzgruppe A, reported to his superiors in mid-October that the residents of Kaunas were not spontaneously starting pogroms, and secret assistance by the Germans was required.[73] A similar reticence was noted by Einsatzgruppe B in Russia and Belarus and Einsatzgruppe C in Ukraine; the further east the Einsatzgruppen travelled, the less likely the residents were to be prompted into killing their Jewish neighbours.[74]

All four main Einsatzgruppen took part in mass shootings from the early days of the war.[75] Initially the targets were adult Jewish men, but by August the net had been widened to include women, children, and the elderly—the entire Jewish population. Initially there was a semblance of legality given to the shootings, with trumped-up charges being read out (arson, sabotage, black marketeering, or refusal to work, for example) and victims being killed by a firing squad. As this method proved too slow, the Einsatzkommandos began to take their victims out in larger groups and shot them next to, or even inside, mass graves that had been prepared. Some Einsatzkommandos started to use automatic weapons, with survivors being killed with a pistol shot.[76]

As word of the massacres got out, many Jews fled; in Ukraine, 70 to 90 per cent of the Jews ran away. This was seen by the leader of Einsatzkommando VI as beneficial, as it would save the regime the costs of deporting the victims further east over the Urals.[77] In other areas the invasion was so successful that the Einsatzgruppen had insufficient forces to immediately kill all the Jews in the conquered territories.[78] A situation report from Einsatzgruppe C in September 1941 noted that not all Jews were members of the Bolshevist apparatus, and suggested that the total elimination of Jewry would have a negative impact on the economy and the food supply. The Nazis began to round their victims up into concentration camps and ghettos and rural districts were for the most part rendered Judenfrei (free of Jews).[79] Jewish councils were set up in major cities and forced labour gangs were established to make use of the Jews as slave labour until they were totally eliminated, a goal that was postponed until 1942.[80]

The Einsatzgruppen used public hangings as a terror tactic against the local population. An Einsatzgruppe B report, dated 9 October 1941, described one such hanging. Due to suspected partisan activity near Demidov, all male residents aged 15 to 55 were put in a camp to be screened. The screening produced seventeen people who were identified as "partisans" and "Communists". Five members of the group were hanged while 400 local residents were assembled to watch; the rest were shot.[81]
Babi Yar


The largest mass shooting perpetrated by the Einsatzgruppen took place on 29 and 30 September 1941 at Babi Yar, a ravine northwest of Kiev, a city in Ukraine that had fallen to the Germans on 19 September.[82][83] The perpetrators included a company of Waffen-SS attached to Einsatzgruppe C under Rasch, members of Sonderkommando 4a under SS-Obergruppenführer Friedrich Jeckeln, and some Ukrainian auxiliary police.[84] The Jews of Kiev were told to report to a certain street corner on 29 September; anyone who disobeyed would be shot. Since word of massacres in other areas had not yet reached Kiev and the assembly point was near the train station, they assumed they were being deported. People showed up at the rendezvous point in large numbers, laden with possessions and food for the journey.[85]

After being marched two miles north-west of the city centre, the victims encountered a barbed wire barrier and numerous Ukrainian police and German troops. Thirty or forty people at a time were told to leave their possessions and were escorted through a narrow passageway lined with soldiers brandishing clubs. Anyone who tried to escape was beaten. Soon the victims reached an open area, where they were forced to strip, and then were herded down into the ravine. People were forced to lie down in rows on top of the bodies of other victims, and they were shot in the back of the head or the neck by members of the execution squads.[86]

The murders continued for two days, claiming a total of 33,771 victims.[83] Sand was shovelled and bulldozed over the bodies and the sides of the ravine were dynamited to bring down more material.[87] Anton Heidborn, a member of Sonderkommando 4a, later testified that three days later that there were still people alive among the corpses. Heidborn spent the next few days helping smooth out the "millions" of banknotes taken from the victims' possessions.[88] The clothing was taken away, destined to be re-used by German citizens.[87] Jeckeln's troops shot more than 100,000 Jews by the end of October.[83]

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Re: Discussion: is Carleas secretly a white supremacist a na

Postby phyllo » Thu Dec 19, 2019 4:46 am

WendyDarling wrote:That was a good documentary! Thanks Gloominary. How does the number of Jews killed keep growing? 6 million seemed unbelievable at the outlay and to find out that it was originally 4 million thanks to the Soviets in the 80's and researched later to be only 1.1 million or less. How many of the actual number were Jews, not gypsies, dissidents and the like? Were any prisoners ever even gassed rather than dying from disease and starvation due to the war cutting off camp supplies?
You might find this interesting:
Gas chamber exhaust fans

In early 1943, the Topf & Söhne fitter Heinrich Messing installed exhaust fans in the Auschwitz II crematoria and also in the gas chambers.[15] Initially, the process of gassing prisoners and then letting fresh air into the gas chambers lasted several hours, but after the exhaust fans were installed this was reduced to about an hour, thus reducing the turn around time.[12]
On site observations

Topf & Söhne engineers and other staff visited the concentration camps many times, not only to install and repair equipment, but also to observe processes to help make them more efficient. Before crematoria II, III and IV at Auschwitz II were officially put into operation, on 5 March 1943, in the presence of high-ranking SS officers from Berlin, camp authorities and Topf & Söhne staff, a test of crematorium II was held to measure the speed at which bodies could be disposed of. Those present observed the bodies being put in the ovens and burned. They used stop-watches to time the process and took notes.[12][14]

On 13 March 1943 the engineer Karl Schultze and Heinrich Messing witnessed a test sample of 1,492 Jews from Kraków Ghetto being killed in the gas chambers at Auschwitz II and then cremated. Karl Schultze later gave a full report about this to Ludwig Topf.[1][14] Messing, who was a communist, not a Nazi, spent from January to June 1943 working at the camp. In an interview given in 2005, his daughter Hildegard who was 16 in 1943, said she would never forget him saying on his return, "If what I have seen comes out, we will all be wading up to our knees in blood".

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Re: Discussion: is Carleas secretly a white supremacist a na

Postby Gloominary » Fri Dec 20, 2019 2:59 am

WendyDarling wrote:That was a good documentary! Thanks Gloominary.

You're welcome. :)
You may want to check these docs out too.
They're not as good as Cole in Auschwitz because they're not grass roots, insurgent, but nonetheless they help reveal how much power Jews have.



It's not a conspiracy theory Jews run Hollywood.
In fact Jews don't just run it, they founded it.
Same with the neoconservative movement, which wrote Bush's script.
Fast forward to 20:00 where they reveal neoconservatism's Jewish origins.





This guy is right about everything, except neoconservatism, is defined by its ethnicity, but you have to speak softly when you talk against Jewish lead organizations.

Softly! Softly! I want none but the judges to hear me. The Jews have already gotten me into a fine mess, as they have many other gentleman. I have no desire to furnish further grist for their mills.

Marcus Tullius Cicero

When white people lead something, and it benefits them at everyone else's expense, we blame it on white supremacy, but when Jews lead something, and it benefits them at everyone else's expense, we're suppose to believe their intentions were 100% impartial. Why?
Because they said so, and they're in charge, and you're an anti-Semite if you challenge them, whether you're liberal, conservative or independent, black, white or brown.

It's the same with the neoliberal movement, which wrote Reagan's script.
And we all know how much sway Jews hold over dems.
The paleocons, classical libs and old school dems were predominantly white, but they were incrementally supplanted in the mid-late 20th century.
It's the same with academia, banking and other media and politics, directly or indirectly Jews either dominate or they're a close second behind whites.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/5-jews-make-forbes-list-of-top-10-wealthiest-americans/

Jews make up about 20% of the world's billionaires.
If they're not hiding their numbers, they make up 2-3% of America's population and probably about 50% of its billionaires, a staggering overrepresentation.
By and large It's the billionaires who shape politics, not the lower and middle classes.
Jews are close to being 50% of America's overclass.

The thing is tho, the white demographic is not a collective, they don't and cannot politically organize for their cultural, ethnic and racial interests, to do so would be considered a hate crime, whereas the Jewish demographic can, and most certainly do organize for theirs.
So while individually whites and Jews share power, collectively Jews dominate.
Collectively Jews are the most powerful demographic in America and the world, and as we've seen, as a minority, their interests conflict with the interests of the majority, as well as other minorities.
They can organize against our cultural, ethnic and racial interests, but we cannot organize to defend ourselves against them without being labeled xenophobes, racists, anti-Semites and so on, because our elite, who for reasons are no longer anywhere near as ethnocentric as theirs, sold us out a long time ago, threw us under the bus.
It's the working and to a lesser extent the middle class who receive the brunt of the fallout from their plutocratic, Judeocentric, immigrant and minority-centric policies, not upperclass whites living in their gated, predominantly white communities.

How does the number of Jews killed keep growing? 6 million seemed unbelievable at the outlay and to find out that it was originally 4 million thanks to the Soviets in the 80's and researched later to be only 1.1 million or less. How many of the actual number were Jews, not gypsies, dissidents and the like?

It's all propaganda, lies.
At most hundreds of thousands of Jews died, if not tens of thousands, not millions.
By and large they died of malnutrition and disease, just as Japanese Americans did.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internment_of_Japanese_Americans

Hitler wanted to deport the Jews to Madagascar, not exterminate them.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Madagascar_Plan

Were any prisoners ever even gassed rather than dying from disease and starvation due to the war cutting off camp supplies?

There were no gas chambers, just as there were no electro or steam chambers, human lampshades or soap, or all the other lies that were told and believed for decades.
There's no documentation of a plan to exterminate the Jews, no gas chamber, not a single, solitary shred of evidence.
All we have is hearsay, rumor, speculation, unsubstantiated claims and Hollywood working round the clock, churning out propaganda film after film, with no mention of the millions of Gypsies, Poles, Japanese Americans or others who were also sent to camps, not to mention the millions of Germans who died defending Germany against Jewish lead communism.

In violent opposition to all this sphere of Jewish effort rise the schemes of the International Jews. The adherents of this sinister confederacy are mostly men reared up among the unhappy populations of countries where Jews are persecuted on account of their race. Most, if not all, of them have forsaken the faith of their forefathers, and divorced from their minds all spiritual hopes of the next world. This movement among the Jews is not new. From the days of Spartacus-Weishaupt to those of Karl Marx, and down to Trotsky (Russia), Bela Kun (Hungary), Rosa Luxembourg (Germany), and Emma Goldman (United States), this world-wide conspiracy for the overthrow of civilisation and for the reconstitution of society on the basis of arrested development, of envious malevolence, and impossible equality, has been steadily growing. It played, as a modern writer, Mrs. Webster, has so ably shown, a definitely recognisable part in the tragedy of the French Revolution. It has been the mainspring of every subversive movement during the Nineteenth Century; and now at last this band of extraordinary personalities from the underworld of the great cities of Europe and America have gripped the Russian people by the hair of their heads and have become practically the undisputed masters of that enormous empire.

There is no need to exaggerate the part played in the creation of Bolshevism and in the actual bringing about of the Russian Revolution by these international and for the most part atheistical Jews. It is certainly a very great one; it probably outweighs all others. With the notable exception of Lenin, the majority of the leading figures are Jews. Moreover, the principal inspiration and driving power comes from the Jewish leaders. Thus Tchitcherin, a pure Russian, is eclipsed by his nominal subordinate Litvinoff, and the influence of Russians like Bukharin or Lunacharski cannot be compared with the power of Trotsky, or of Zinovieff, the Dictator of the Red Citadel (Petrograd), or of Krassin or Radek – all Jews. In the Soviet institutions the predominance of Jews is even more astonishing. And the prominent, if not indeed the principal, part in the system of terrorism applied by the Extraordinary Commissions for Combating Counter-Revolution has been taken by Jews, and in some notable cases by Jewesses. The same evil prominence was obtained by Jews in the brief period of terror during which Bela Kun ruled in Hungary. The same phenomenon has been presented in Germany (especially in Bavaria), so far as this madness has been allowed to prey upon the temporary prostration of the German people. Although in all these countries there are many non-Jews every whit as bad as the worst of the Jewish revolutionaries, the part played by the latter in proportion to their numbers in the population is astonishing.

And this from their greatest ally, Winston Churchill.

The Jews won the cultural and economic wars.
We are a conquered people.
Even the religious war.
Christianity has been totally koshered, may as well call it Judianity now, which's not to say it was ever an ideal religion for us, we'd be infinitely better off with paganism.

Judaism and Nationalism are like oil and water, they don't mix.
Speaking out against the banking cartels or in favor of nationalism, especially ethno-nationalism will get you harassed, doxed, fired, physically assaulted, imprisoned and possibly executed if you're high profile; have a big enough platform.
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Re: Discussion: is Carleas secretly a white supremacist a na

Postby Aegean » Fri Dec 20, 2019 11:48 am

Russia is free.
Russia is European.

We are conquered memetically. Our minds corrupted through language. Most cannot think as Europeans. Their brains are zombified by a linguistic parasite that warps words, and uses them to take control over the individuals thinking, judging...behaving.
Look into parasites like Lancet Fluke and how they take over other organisms, through their nervous systems - their brains.
From genes to memes.

The same survival strategies apply to both genetic and memetic types of unities - organisms and superorganisms.
Control DNA and you control the fate of a species; control language and you control the fate of a people, a tribe, a race.
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Postby Aegean » Fri Dec 20, 2019 11:55 am

If you mix a chimpanzee with a human you will not get a superior human, but only a superior chimpanzee. The human will be diminished.
Hypergamy.
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Postby phyllo » Fri Dec 20, 2019 2:02 pm

Films, photographs, first hand accounts, surviving witnesses, mass graves, physical structures, engineering reports, transport documents, accounting records, ...

doesn't count as evidence. :lol:
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Postby Gloominary » Fri Dec 20, 2019 2:41 pm

Aegean wrote:Russia is free.
Russia is European.

True, and the Visegrad Group also appears to be free.

We are conquered memetically. Our minds corrupted through language. Most cannot think as Europeans. Their brains are zombified by a linguistic parasite that warps words, and uses them to take control over the individuals thinking, judging...behaving.

Yup, they got the religious right with Zionism and the secular left with white guilt.

Look into parasites like Lancet Fluke and how they take over other organisms, through their nervous systems - their brains.
From genes to memes.

The same survival strategies apply to both genetic and memetic types of unities - organisms and superorganisms.
Control DNA and you control the fate of a species; control language and you control the fate of a people, a tribe, a race.

The parallels between biological and memetic parasitism are fascinating.
Real life zombification.
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Postby Aegean » Fri Dec 20, 2019 3:08 pm

Gloominary wrote:
Aegean wrote:Russia is free.
Russia is European.

True, and the Visegrad Group also appears to be free.

Yes...now notice how to return back to health a patient must take the reverse course back, through his symptomology.
For instance...Russia progression from Paganism , via Abrahamism, into Marxism, is now taking the reverse path, back through Abrahamism, accepting its Orthodox past - because the layman, the average man, needs a lie; an absolutist, comforting, certainty - a pleasing superstition. The masses cannot cope with their existence without some kind of superstition.
Putin could not introduce Paganism to a people - even if he wanted to - that had experienced hundred of years of nihilistic indoctrination - the shock would be devastating. They would not accept it.
So, he abandons secular nihilism - Marxism - by replacing it with spiritual nihilism - Orthodox Christianity. He goes back to a previous state of dis-ease.

Gloominary wrote:Yup, they got the religious right with Zionism and the secular left with white guilt.

Now I'll introduce you to another aspect of this.
When Hellenism and Judaism came in contact - via Rome's dominion - Christianity was created - some, like Atwill, claim the Romans created it to combat the Jewish rebelliousness - so the west was infected by this alien, to them, spirituality, even if monotheism was part of their philosophical discourse - Socrates realizing this after coming ni contact with a character he names Zalmoxis, a Thracian, who probably introduced him to Zoroastrianism.
But cross contamination also occurred, meaning that the Jews were also affected by this contact, splintering them into three: -1-Orthodox Judaism -2-Cultural Judaism (Marxism) and -3-Political Judaism (Zionism)
Zionism is a return to Paganism, sparked by this contact with Hellenism, but it is corrupted, just as Christianity is a corruption of Paganism. It cannot abandon its victim identity because it has proven to be effective.
The two world-views are so antithetical that they cannot coexist but only in the minds of fanatics - compartmentalized, schizophrenic, self-deceiving minds that place survival above integrity and clarity.
Nihilism serves as a form of obscurantism that could allow for such antithesis to synthesize. Using occultism. In ambiguity, in shadows, everything can merge. Differences are erased and concealed.

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Aegean wrote:Look into parasites like Lancet Fluke and how they take over other organisms, through their nervous systems - their brains.
From genes to memes.

The same survival strategies apply to both genetic and memetic types of unities - organisms and superorganisms.
Control DNA and you control the fate of a species; control language and you control the fate of a people, a tribe, a race.

The parallels between biological and memetic parasitism are fascinating.
Real life zombification.

Yes....memetic zombification by corrupting language. When words are rendered obscure and meaningless, the organism loses contact with reality. It exists in its own mind; it exists in theory (ideology).
Parasitism is a survival strategy, adopting the strategies that help it survive and propagate. As there are selfish genes, according to Dawkins, there are selfish memes. So even the participants are unaware. They do not know what they are doing or why. In their mind they are helping, offering great gifts, treasures....insights.
This is part of the efficiency of self-deceit. A good liar is the one who believes in his own lies.
If a parasite knew that its actions would kill the host it is infesting and that along with it it would die, would it be as willing to continue?
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Postby phyllo » Fri Dec 20, 2019 3:32 pm

Are you a holocaust denier, Aegean?
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Postby Aegean » Fri Dec 20, 2019 3:40 pm

No...I believe the best lies are not outright fabrications but subtle exaggerations.
The best liars do not just make shit up, they take a truth, an event, and manipulate it.
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Postby Aegean » Fri Dec 20, 2019 3:42 pm

Isn't that basic marketing?
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Postby phyllo » Fri Dec 20, 2019 3:59 pm

Which part is the "subtle exaggeration"? The number of Jews killed or something else?
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Postby Aegean » Fri Dec 20, 2019 4:20 pm

All of it. Subtle hyperbole, meant to maintain the victim identity.
The victor's write the history books.
Do you believe in the good intentions of the official narrative?

Over 9 million Germans died. Over 20 million Russians.
Shall we go into the numbers, ro can you do ti yourself, even from these official narratives?
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Postby phyllo » Fri Dec 20, 2019 4:34 pm

Over 9 million Germans died. Over 20 million Russians.
Shall we go into the numbers, ro can you do ti yourself, even from these official narratives?
Sure. They died during a war.

But the holocaust is targeted industrial killing. It's not the killing if enemy combatants or the unintentional deaths of civilians in a combat zone.
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Postby Aegean » Fri Dec 20, 2019 4:38 pm

So, you believe the official narrative?
You only doubt what challenges it, as you ought to?
What makes you certain they did not die of diseases and famine - you know the usual things one dies from during times of war - and only a few of organized slaughter?

Interesting.
What bout the official 9/11 explanation, or those weapons Hussein had?
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Postby phyllo » Fri Dec 20, 2019 4:45 pm

So, you believe the official narrative?
I believe that Jews were rounded up, sent to camps, starved and worked to death. Some were executed immediately upon arrival in the camps. The numbers are in the millions.

And yeah, Jews were not the only ones ... criminals, homosexuals, political opponents, priests, gypsies, Russian POWs got the same treatment.
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Postby Aegean » Fri Dec 20, 2019 4:45 pm

Some form of mass extermination did take place, but most of it through passive causes, like absence of food, or the usual diseases that occur in contained areas where too many people are placed in a small space....
Many Germans, and Russians also died due to malnutrition, and the same diseases that kill in such times of destruction and mass death.
I also do not think it was the original plan, but forced by the war's limitations. He wanted to throw them out of Germany...but how many people have done the same over the centuries?
Do a search.

My own short search gives me 109 times.
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Postby phyllo » Fri Dec 20, 2019 4:48 pm

What makes you certain they did not die of diseases and famine - you know the usual things one dies from during times of war - and only a few of organized slaughter?
How many accounts of the death camps do you need?

How much Zyklon B does a concentration camp need to "get rid of lice"? How much does it need to get rid of people?
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Re: Discussion: is Carleas secretly a white supremacist a na

Postby Aegean » Fri Dec 20, 2019 4:51 pm

Did you read what I posted?
You are using emotion.
Did I deny some form of mass extermination did occur?
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Re: Discussion: is Carleas secretly a white supremacist a na

Postby phyllo » Fri Dec 20, 2019 4:52 pm

I also do not think it was the original plan, but forced by the war's limitations. He wanted to throw them out of Germany...but how many people have done the same over the centuries?
They wanted to ship them off but nobody wanted to take them.

Therefore, Plan B.
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Re: Discussion: is Carleas secretly a white supremacist a na

Postby Aegean » Fri Dec 20, 2019 4:53 pm

Reread what I post, before you ask me questions.
I said, and I'll repeat.
The best lies do not manufacture events, they exaggerate them.
The most convincing liar believes in his own lies.
The victor writes the history books to glorify himself and to demonize the vanquished.

If you do not understand the implications….then we're done.
You follow the official narrative religiously. I understand.
Good luck with that.
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