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Calling out MagsJ

Postby Ecmandu » Thu Sep 19, 2019 5:34 pm

I figured out three or four threads ago that MagsJ is a troll moderator. I didn't know this about her.

I decided not to speak to MagsJ anymore because I sensed troll blood. She wasn't out to debate me, even in rant… she was out to ban me.

She claims that my posts are circular. But she never provides the argument or proof. That's slander. I know my arguments aren't circular, and I have proofs.

She accuses me of many things that my posting history refutes.

Had I continued to debate her, EVEN IN RANT!!!!!!!!!! she would have banned me!!!!!!!!

So I stopped debating one of the hottest topics on planet earth in our modern age… something that got a lot of views and insightful posts… why she moved it to rant was pure projection and cowardise on her part.

And this is just the tip of the iceberg that I've discovered (unfortunately) with MagsJ. She is a wall of projections and denial.

You know what magsJ wants from me?

Not philosophy!!!!!!!!!

She wants me to talk about how Shrimp Kashmiri is my favorite food!!!!!!!!!!

She's not even remotely a philosopher, and this is deeply disturbing on a philosophy forum that can pride itself on being on the pol, the cutting edge of philosophy, where the "great" boards ban and shake with fear. Ive been banned from many boards in my life, ILP has a distinction… and MagsJ is blowing it big time. THIS IS WHAT PEOPLE WANT TO TALK ABOUT!!!!!!!!

I've said NOTHING that every evolutionary psychologists disagrees with. What I speak about is one of the big topics of our generation!!!!!

And if MagsJ can't handle that outside of a rant forum, she doesn't deserve moderationship.
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Re: Calling out MagsJ

Postby MagsJ » Thu Sep 19, 2019 6:09 pm

I have the respect of well-educated and well-established peers, in all fields and industries..and if I was out to ban you, I had many chances, many times, to have done so.

Good day.
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I haven't got the time to spend the time reading something that is telling me nothing, as I will never be able to get that time back, and I may need it for something at some point in time. Wait! What?

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Re: Calling out MagsJ

Postby Ecmandu » Thu Sep 19, 2019 6:14 pm

MagsJ wrote:I have the respect of well-educated and well-established peers, in all fields and industries..and if I was out to ban you, I had many chances, many times, to have done so.

Good day.


Let's be honest here... you were baiting me for a ban in rant!

I didn't take the bait.

You have moderated and censored the fuck out of me, not to mention that you trolled me, on one of the greatest topics of our generation.
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Re: Calling out MagsJ

Postby MagsJ » Thu Sep 19, 2019 6:34 pm

List your issues that you have with me here, and Carleas will look into the matter for you.

So the first warning worked, as you stopped the offending behaviour.. you are simply another member that I may have to moderate at times.

That should clarify things for you.
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I haven't got the time to spend the time reading something that is telling me nothing, as I will never be able to get that time back, and I may need it for something at some point in time. Wait! What?

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Re: Calling out MagsJ

Postby Ecmandu » Thu Sep 19, 2019 6:37 pm

MagsJ wrote:List your issues that you habe with me here, and Carleas will look into the matter for you.
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So the first warning worked, as you stopped the offending behaviour.. you are simply another member that I may have to moderate at times.

That should clarify things for you.


What you fail to understand is that the "offending behavior" is one of the greatest topics of our generation and should never have been censored in the first place... because it's not OFFENDING !!

You pat yourself on the back for being... out of touch
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Re: Calling out MagsJ

Postby Carleas » Thu Sep 19, 2019 8:38 pm

Can we go back and start at the beginning pretending I don't know what you're talking about? Because I don't know what you're talking about. If you're referring to a specific thread, or a specific post in the thread, can you provide a link/links so I can take a look.

The goal here should be to de-escalate, so please stop antagonizing each other, that doesn't help us figure out how to go forward.
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Re: Calling out MagsJ

Postby MagsJ » Thu Sep 19, 2019 9:04 pm

No antogonising intended on my part, nor becoming antagonised.. not about things that happen here on ILP.

Thanks for looking into the matter.
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I haven't got the time to spend the time reading something that is telling me nothing, as I will never be able to get that time back, and I may need it for something at some point in time. Wait! What?

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Re: Calling out MagsJ

Postby Ecmandu » Thu Sep 19, 2019 10:05 pm

Carleas wrote:Can we go back and start at the beginning pretending I don't know what you're talking about? Because I don't know what you're talking about. If you're referring to a specific thread, or a specific post in the thread, can you provide a link/links so I can take a look.

The goal here should be to de-escalate, so please stop antagonizing each other, that doesn't help us figure out how to go forward.


It's not a specific post on either of our parts, we both perceive it as a pattern of behavior on each other's parts.

MagsJ has said some viscous things to me, none of which are true (and she knows what I'm talking about) I'm not going to dig right now, unless absolutely necessary ... other posters are welcome to verify this here if they want to.

On my side I've implied hard truths to everyone on the planet with logical proofs, and MagsJ is taking it extremely personally, part of her pattern of behavior is dumping good threads into rant (as if the thread wouldn't eventually die anyways), but she can't leave well enough alone.
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Re: Calling out MagsJ

Postby Ecmandu » Thu Sep 19, 2019 10:33 pm

I'll give a simple argument as an example.

MagsJ accused me of spamming the boards with a certain concept.

There's a problem with this argument:

Everyone on ILP knows what happens with real spammers! Nobody participates.

The thread in question that MagsJ ranted as spam would have certainly exceeded a 200:1 post to readership count. That's not SPAM MagsJ

That's just one example of this irrationality.

It reminds me of uccisore who would come into a perfectly fine thread, start flaming the whole thread and then accuse me, and move it to rant. It's like "dude, the thread was fine before you got here!"
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Re: Calling out MagsJ

Postby promethean75 » Thu Sep 19, 2019 11:25 pm

the only reason people click those posts is to see the next ridiculous thing E has said. people wanna see your threads/posts in the same way people slow down to get a good look at a car accident when driving by.

I've tried to help you, but whatever. you've gone mental. I'm getting out of here, damien.
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Re: Calling out MagsJ

Postby Ecmandu » Thu Sep 19, 2019 11:30 pm

promethean75 wrote:the only reason people click those posts is to see the next ridiculous thing E has said. people wanna see your threads/posts in the same way people slow down to get a good look at a car accident when driving by.

I've tried to help you, but whatever. you've gone mental. I'm getting out of here, damien.


A) that's not true
B) that's not an argument of an idea

And this is a perfect example of what MagsJ does to me.
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Re: Calling out MagsJ

Postby Karpel Tunnel » Fri Sep 20, 2019 6:22 am

Ecmandu, you are calling somene out in a subforum that can deal with complaints officially. Which means Carleas is going to try to evaluate if there is a problem with the moderator you are calling out. You should know that unless you can show him something that demonstrates Mags intentions - that she is planning to ban you - he has no reason to treat this as something other than a mind reading claim. You further say

MagsJ has said some viscous things to me, none of which are true (and she knows what I'm talking about) I'm not going to dig right now, unless absolutely necessary

Necessary for what?
If you are expecting action to be taken by Carleas, well obviously he needs to know what he could possibly base that action on.

If you are simply calling her out, letting her know you see what she is doing, you should probably tell Carleas that you are not interested in his treating this as a formal complaint.

Right now, this thread seems most effective at causing all parties stress. I can't see how so far it is helping anyone, perhaps especially I don't think it is helping you.

My suggestion would be to decide what you goal is for this thread. Make this explicit and then tailor your posts with that goal in mind. It may have caused Mags to show a bit about how she responds to criticism, but in the end it right now has nothing in it to serve any goal I can see.
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Re: Calling out MagsJ

Postby Mowk » Fri Sep 20, 2019 6:35 am

Cut the woman and man some slack, which was intend to be contextual with in the order of the thread, and Karp slipped in. It's not flattering. Both of you. Time to dig deep with some self reflection. Either of you ever question your own sanity? I mean you are starting to act like you believe you think you know something. I really hope no one gets too attached to their own guesses. Slightly bigger picture, slightly better focus. It's just a hunch.

Sorry Karp, not you, you jumped in with a better hunch. I'll attempt to make the next with more awareness.
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Re: Calling out MagsJ

Postby MagsJ » Fri Sep 20, 2019 8:43 am

Once Ecmandu has submitted Carleas' request, I will be happy to submit data, of links and posts, that caused us to arrive at this point in time.. Ecmandu receiving 1 formal board warning, not a ban.. a board warning.

Mowk, why are you always so way off with your analyses on me? ;)
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Re: Calling out MagsJ

Postby Mowk » Fri Sep 20, 2019 9:27 am

who knows magsj. you are an enigma, dipped in chocolate, and wrapped in individual foil, A possibility I might guess is I lack the necessary awareness. I'd be interested in your guess as to how such a thing could take place. Sorry I felt a sort of bullying was going on. And I was feeling rather empathetic towards Ecmandu. To be clear Ecmandu was bullying you and Prom was having another go at Ecmandu.

I likely mentioned I guessed you are a tough character.

I don't feel I guessed unsuccessfully in either regard. Nothing died as result and all concerned are free to guess again. Karp nailed it. Pardon my intrusion and any additions to the drama.

my guess requires refinement. Don't fret, I'll be on to the next promptly.
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Re: Calling out MagsJ

Postby Ecmandu » Fri Sep 20, 2019 3:09 pm

I want my thread moved to sandbox.

MagsJ issued me a board warning to never speak a certain topic again, then after great hostility, dared me to talk about it more.

That's ban baiting.

She even stated in this thread that her warning worked and seemed quite proud that this occurred, further suggesting ban baiting.

Then I saw how she was treating Karpel, and I was like "I'm done"
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Re: Calling out MagsJ

Postby Carleas » Fri Sep 20, 2019 3:46 pm

Ecmandu, you need to provide a link where you're making specific claims about things said to you in a thread. I don't read every post, so I don't know what posts you're talking about, and I can't verify the claims you make here ("she accuses", "[she was] baiting me", "MagsJ has said some viscous things to me", "MagsJ accused me", "she ... dared me"). You claim there's a "pattern of behavior"; show me some of the posts that suggest the pattern.

I can see that you have one warning from Mags dated 9/11/2019. That warning was for starting a new thread on the same topic as another active thread (though the warning also does not link to the threads in question).
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Re: Calling out MagsJ

Postby Ecmandu » Fri Sep 20, 2019 3:53 pm

The two threads that I want moved to sandbox are these:

viewtopic.php?f=6&t=195173

viewtopic.php?f=6&t=195227

MagsJ amongst other slurs, stated that I'm definitely a pervert.

But that doesn't bother me as much as stating that my discussions are one sided and circular (both of which is what she's doing/projecting)
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Re: Calling out MagsJ

Postby Ecmandu » Fri Sep 20, 2019 3:56 pm

Ecmandu wrote:The two threads that I want moved to sandbox are these:

viewtopic.php?f=6&t=195173

viewtopic.php?f=6&t=195227

MagsJ amongst other slurs, stated that I'm definitely a pervert.

But that doesn't bother me as much as stating that my discussions are one sided and circular (both of which is what she's doing/projecting)


Additional data is in this thread:

viewtopic.php?f=6&t=195210
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Re: Calling out MagsJ

Postby Ecmandu » Fri Sep 20, 2019 5:26 pm

Carleas,

Let me put you in my shoes for a moment.

I'm not allowed to reply to MagsJ without getting banned because of the board warning.

So she gets to say all the shit in the world about me with arguments that I can easily crush and destroy, but I'm not allowed to... even in the rant section ...
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Re: Calling out MagsJ

Postby Arcturus Descending » Fri Sep 20, 2019 7:27 pm

One of my favorite songs - The Sounds of Silence.

I just recently heard this version for the first time by Disturbed. It took me a few listens before it grew on me. I love Paul Simon's version. I think that in a way they are both equal and profound but for different reasons. Quite "disturbing" but in a way that makes much sense. Sometimes truth does need to be shouted out and screamed out to the world though some think that a whisper can be heard better.

Anyway, not to derail the thread but I thought of The Sounds of Silence here. The words have always been so poignant and "real" ~~ to me. A hundred years from now they will probably still be.
I do think that Disturbed version is awesome too, so forceful ...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u9Dg-g7t2l4
"Look closely. The beautiful may be small."


"Two things fill the mind with ever new and increasing admiration and awe, the oftener and more steadily we reflect on them: the starry heavens above me and the moral law within me."


“Whereas the beautiful is limited, the sublime is limitless, so that the mind in the presence of the sublime, attempting to imagine what it cannot, has pain in the failure but pleasure in contemplating the immensity of the attempt.”

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Re: Calling out MagsJ

Postby Arcturus Descending » Fri Sep 20, 2019 8:06 pm

Carleas wrote:Can we go back and start at the beginning pretending I don't know what you're talking about? Because I don't know what you're talking about. If you're referring to a specific thread, or a specific post in the thread, can you provide a link/links so I can take a look.

The goal here should be to de-escalate, so please stop antagonizing each other, that doesn't help us figure out how to go forward.


You will need to get yourself a strong cup of coffee first, Carleas. :mrgreen:
"Look closely. The beautiful may be small."


"Two things fill the mind with ever new and increasing admiration and awe, the oftener and more steadily we reflect on them: the starry heavens above me and the moral law within me."


“Whereas the beautiful is limited, the sublime is limitless, so that the mind in the presence of the sublime, attempting to imagine what it cannot, has pain in the failure but pleasure in contemplating the immensity of the attempt.”

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Re: Calling out MagsJ

Postby Arcturus Descending » Fri Sep 20, 2019 8:14 pm

MagsJ wrote:I have the respect of well-educated and well-established peers, in all fields and industries..and if I was out to ban you, I had many chances, many times, to have done so.

Good day.


This is REALLY quite true. I have seen it, MagsJ. You have kept your cool with him.
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"Two things fill the mind with ever new and increasing admiration and awe, the oftener and more steadily we reflect on them: the starry heavens above me and the moral law within me."


“Whereas the beautiful is limited, the sublime is limitless, so that the mind in the presence of the sublime, attempting to imagine what it cannot, has pain in the failure but pleasure in contemplating the immensity of the attempt.”

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Re: Calling out MagsJ

Postby Ecmandu » Fri Sep 20, 2019 8:56 pm

Carleas, I submit this post, not as wrong doing by people on this board, but as the logical argument that I'm being trolled on.

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