Preaching/Propaganda section?

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Re: Preaching/Propaganda section?

Postby Otto_West » Fri Jul 28, 2017 11:46 pm

Carleas wrote:But isn't it legitimate to say that I don't know the answer, but I know that you don't know the answer either? I think that's a more accurate characterization of what Socrates got up to.


Depends on what is being discussed but saying I don't know to everything isn't very productive either.
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Re: Preaching/Propaganda section?

Postby Mr Reasonable » Mon Jul 31, 2017 2:06 am

Carleas wrote:Would the statement, "Utilitarianism is the only coherent moral system" qualify as preaching? What principle distinguishes that statement from the statement, "Racial Nationalism is the only coherent social system" as of a different kind, i.e. the former isn't preaching and the latter is?

Not that I don't understand what you're getting at, I just think it's virtually impossible to police in the way you're suggesting.

Slight historical aside: as I understand it, the reason iloveopinions was created was as a (somewhat facetious) attempt at the same distinction you're suggesting. If you want to discuss, there was ILP, if you want to pontificate, there was ILO. But that was facetious because it was really a way of saying, "you aren't doing philosophy, you're stating your opinion".


Just police it like the police do...in the way that achieves the desired outcome and with no justification. Policing is super easy.
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Re: Preaching/Propaganda section?

Postby Blurry » Sun Sep 24, 2017 4:48 am

Mr Reasonable wrote:
Carleas wrote:Would the statement, "Utilitarianism is the only coherent moral system" qualify as preaching? What principle distinguishes that statement from the statement, "Racial Nationalism is the only coherent social system" as of a different kind, i.e. the former isn't preaching and the latter is?

Not that I don't understand what you're getting at, I just think it's virtually impossible to police in the way you're suggesting.

Slight historical aside: as I understand it, the reason iloveopinions was created was as a (somewhat facetious) attempt at the same distinction you're suggesting. If you want to discuss, there was ILP, if you want to pontificate, there was ILO. But that was facetious because it was really a way of saying, "you aren't doing philosophy, you're stating your opinion".


Just police it like the police do...in the way that achieves the desired outcome and with no justification. Policing is super easy.


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Re: Preaching/Propaganda section?

Postby surreptitious75 » Sun Sep 24, 2017 7:14 am

I have absolutely no problem with the preachers and propagandists here since they all have something to offer the forum
I think everyone should post what ever they want to as long as it is within the rules regardless of what anyone else thinks
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Re: Preaching/Propaganda section?

Postby tentative » Sun Sep 24, 2017 5:18 pm

surreptitious75 wrote:I have absolutely no problem with the preachers and propagandists here since they all have something to offer the forum
I think everyone should post what ever they want to as long as it is within the rules regardless of what anyone else thinks


Several years ago a couple of pedophiles showed up and wanted to discuss pedophilia as "philosophy". It was pointed out that allowing this sort of discussion would attract more pedophiles looking for "cover" and did ILP want to develop a reputation as a haven for pedophiles. It took a while, but the problem was eventually solved. Something that most members seem to forget is that there are a lot of lurkers that are also potential contributing members. How many want to sign up in a forum full of pedophiles? I'm sure that there are forums dedicated to pedophilia, beastiality, and other sorts of behaviors not generally accepted by most people, and it is most people that allow a forum to prosper. Is it about PC? No. It is about drawing a line that allows openess without running off the majority of potential members. We should all keep an open mind, but not so open that our brains fall out.
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Re: Preaching/Propaganda section?

Postby Alf » Sun Sep 24, 2017 9:06 pm

Extreme criminal and disgusting.

During the Victorian Era the people of the British empire were not allowed to speak about sex (except in the sense of reproduction), today the people of West Europe, North America and Australia - at least the white people - are not allowed to speak about politics (except in the sense of political correctness), but forced to speak about sex. In the case of sexuality they are now allowed to do whatever they want to, but in the case of politics it is just the other way around. So it's no surprise that we have got more and more politicians who are sexually perverse, extreme criminal and disgusting - just like some ILP members.
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Re: Preaching/Propaganda section?

Postby Mr Reasonable » Thu Oct 12, 2017 6:59 am

Alf you must be someone who attempts to hide arbitrary judgements about people based on race and gender under the guise of political discourse. Political options are rarely silenced in the US. Bigots who disguise their bigotry under a thin veil of alleged political discourse may get called out. But generally, people who say their political opinions are being silenced are really just assholes who wish they could openly be hateful to others for arbitrary reasons. So grow up and accept that. We're adults here. Those kinds of people are neither contributing, intelligent, or honest about what they mean.

Like look at the thread about how eating meat is good. Anyone with half a brain who knows the posters motives saw what that was about from a mile away. Why not find a forum of morons for that kind of stuff. It just doesn't entertain, enlighten nor is it found to be engaging by adults with common sense who aren't into the whole racial hierarchy thing.
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Re: Preaching/Propaganda section?

Postby Alf » Thu Oct 12, 2017 4:20 pm

So you are not able to grow up and want more pederasts. It is very likely that you are a pederast too. In any case, you are talking only about yourself here.

I was talking about facts. There is no problem with my, but with your post.

Read and interpret my post again. No, wait, it is hardly possible, for without any prejudice of a leftist racist who is not able to grow up, you are not allowed to do this.

And political options are silenced in the US, especially in the US, yes. Political correctness is an US product.
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Re: Preaching/Propaganda section?

Postby WendyDarling » Thu Oct 12, 2017 4:29 pm

I've heard that the Swedes are way too PC as well. I wonder why?
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Re: Preaching/Propaganda section?

Postby Alf » Thu Oct 12, 2017 4:41 pm

They are all influenced by the US politics, thus also by the US political correctness.
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Re: Preaching/Propaganda section?

Postby Ultimate Philosophy 1001 » Thu Oct 12, 2017 6:07 pm

I think this is a good idea.
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Re: Preaching/Propaganda section?

Postby Ultimate Philosophy 1001 » Thu Oct 12, 2017 6:08 pm

WendyDarling wrote:I've heard that the Swedes are way too PC as well. I wonder why?


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