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Re: Suicide should be available to everyone

Postby surreptitious57 » Fri Dec 16, 2016 11:13 pm

Were phyllo in charge who would be banned for being mentally ill [ part from Ecmandu and Trixie and Kropotkin ] Arbitrarily deciding who is and is
not mentally ill however should not be a basis for banning anyone. Even if they actually are mentally ill that is not in and of itself sufficient reason
to do so. Even if the quality of discourse would improve as a consequence and be more related to matters philosophical as the forum title suggests
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Re: Suicide should be available to everyone

Postby phyllo » Sat Dec 17, 2016 12:03 am

How great of you to call yourself sane!
Thanks.
Any fucking moron knows we're all crazy
Since I know that some are sane, then I'm not a "fucking moron".
I imagine the quality of intellects you have in your life as friends is very low
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Re: Suicide should be available to everyone

Postby phyllo » Sat Dec 17, 2016 12:18 am

Were phyllo in charge who would be banned for being mentally ill [ part from Ecmandu and Trixie and Kropotkin ]
PK is not MI. Trixie is not MI, she's pulling your legs.
It's easy to test ... moderate them and see how they respond.
Arbitrarily deciding who is and is
not mentally ill however should not be a basis for banning anyone.
I could do it if it was my site. And I think it would improve the site.

One could alternatively treat everyone equally, without any special consideration for MI. The MIs would keep posting crazy stuff, then they would be warned and since they would not stop doing it, they would eventually be banned.
Even if they actually are mentally ill that is not in and of itself sufficient reason
to do so.
There is appropriate and inappropriate behavior in every situation.

This is a discussion site. If mental illness disrupts it, then something ought to be done.
Even if the quality of discourse would improve as a consequence and be more related to matters philosophical as the forum title suggests
So improving quality of discourse and increasing philosophical content are not reasonable goals to strive for at ILP?

Are we here to simply care for the mentally ill?
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Re: Suicide should be available to everyone

Postby Ecmandu » Sat Dec 17, 2016 12:28 am

You guys patting your shoulders still haven't figured it out yet...

The crazy ones are the sane ones...

A crazy person walks up to me on the street and leaves shaking my hand...

People like you, they'd spit on.

Do you guys really think you're sane?
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Re: Suicide should be available to everyone

Postby Magnus Anderson » Sat Dec 17, 2016 12:57 am

I'd ban Ecmandu. That would send him an unambiguous "you are a retard' message. He might take it seriously and learn something from it. Otherwise, you'd reinforce his bullshit. And dealing with it using arguments is tiring, and stupid, considering the fact he will just ignore them.

PC is dead. Now we need to put an end to free speech.
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Re: Suicide should be available to everyone

Postby Ecmandu » Sat Dec 17, 2016 1:03 am

Magnus Anderson wrote:I'd ban Ecmandu. That would send him an unambiguous "you are a retard' message. He might take it seriously and learn something from it. Otherwise, you'd reinforce his bullshit. And dealing with it using arguments is tiring, and stupid, considering the fact he will just ignore them.

PC is dead. Now we need to put an end to free speech.


Magnus... I'm more disciplined than you are.

You're whole shtick is about how disciplined you are.

And that's why you're superior.

I actually don't think anyone is superior.

This is a subtle point in my mind

I live on $10 dollars a day... And that's not even counting my psychological discipline...

You are a parody of yourself
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Re: Suicide should be available to everyone

Postby Magnus Anderson » Sat Dec 17, 2016 2:09 am

It's a good thing you responded to me. Nothing more important than responding to me.

PC means no boundaries. Free speech means no boundaries. Anything free -- freedom in general -- means no boundaries. It's how unrestrained -- the self-destructive -- want to secure conditions that will allow them to be maximally unrestrained.

A death wish. A peaceful death wish.

Any sympathization with any variety of freedom means you too desire freedom, to be maximally unrestrained, to be unable to be held responsible for anything.

It means the instinct to protect yourself from external danger is gone. Now replaced with the instinct to protect yourself from internal danger.

Fearing fear, leading to reckless behavior, to being attracted to that which would otherwise repulse you.

"Make love, not war" says the one in war with oneself and in love with everything opposite to oneself.

Healthy people shamed for fearing the external and loving the internal rather than fearing the internal and loving the external.

You should not be afraid because fear is a sign of weakness and you do not want to be weak, right? So just pretend you are not weak by showing strength that consists in nothing but erasing your fear and replacing it with love.

Fearing is easier. Loving is harder.

Be tolerant toward everyone. Never reject anyone. Celebrate free love for everyone.

Rejection implies fear. Fear implies weakness. Weakness implies shame. Shame implies pain. Pain implies something bad. Therefore, rejection is bad.

If you want to reject someone, this means they are a threat.

And it never means they are a threat to one's health, intelligence and sanity. It always means they are a threat to one's delusions.

If I want to ban Ecmandu or Biguous or whoever else, it's not because he threatens to confuse, to befuddle, to deceive, to retard and in general to corrupt, but because he threatens to expose my delusions for what they are. Therefore, I must never ban them.
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Re: Suicide should be available to everyone

Postby Ecmandu » Sat Dec 17, 2016 2:15 am

I like your post Magnus ...

And you know what's funny...

That's the format I post in!
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Re: Suicide should be available to everyone

Postby fuse » Sat Dec 17, 2016 2:20 am

I like the attention phyllo's brought to this. I agree that the Forums would be a healthier place for discussion with stricter, more consistent moderation.

Strict to me means moving thoughtless/purely troll topics and banning those who constantly prevent the community from reaching its intended purpose. I've always thought that policing heated arguments is not the way to go, unless it's threats or nothing but insults with no end in sight.
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Re: Suicide should be available to everyone

Postby Ecmandu » Sat Dec 17, 2016 2:25 am

fuse wrote:I like the attention phyllo's brought to this. I agree that the Forums would be a healthier place for discussion with stricter, more consistent moderation.


Perhaps, how many of you understand discussions between Random Factor or Trixie and I ???

Intelligence is ALWAYS like a fingerprint...

Everyone's is different!

The thing IMO that makes these boards great is that geniuses of things over your heads can come together.

We can even try to distill it for you.

I'm not kidding when I say that this is the frontier of internet philosophy
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Re: Suicide should be available to everyone

Postby Magnus Anderson » Sat Dec 17, 2016 2:43 am

I would ban anyone I do not consider virtuous. The ratio must be in favor of the virtuous and there are too few of them. Or rather, there are none. You want people who can set an example. Healthy people who can radiate health. Not boogermen such as Turd. Or crazies such as Trixie and Ecmandu. It ultimately depends on who runs the forum, and though you can beg and prescribe, the quality of the forum will ultimately be no higher than the quality of the person running it.
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Re: Suicide should be available to everyone

Postby Ecmandu » Sat Dec 17, 2016 2:46 am

Magnus man,

Turd is a lot smarter than you

Trixie is a lot smarter than you

So am I ...

Do I want to ban you???

Fuck no!!!
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Re: Suicide should be available to everyone

Postby Magnus Anderson » Sat Dec 17, 2016 2:55 am

That's because you have no boundaries. All is one. Self is not separate nor different from other. Last I heard, that is the definition of egocentrism, no? The inability to differentiate between self/subject and other/object. We are all part of one universal being. With the capital B Being. What harms me harms all. What harms all harms me. What benefits me benefits all. What benefits all benefits me. We are one big universal family. All are friends.
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Re: Suicide should be available to everyone

Postby Ecmandu » Sat Dec 17, 2016 3:52 am

I don't need to be patronized Magnus...

Let's just say you have some shit when it comes to virtue ...

If you like these boards, be thankful you can post on them
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Re: Suicide should be available to everyone

Postby Peter Kropotkin » Sat Dec 17, 2016 4:36 am

phyllo wrote:
K: As this has been a thread I have ignored up till now because it is from Ecmandu and
frankly, I don't think much of anything he writes, I must admit I am surprised I am mentioned
rather frequently in this thread...Often as the boogy man, I admit....but I never thought
Ucci would defend me... I am rather surprised..... but let us comment on my "insults"....
have I called for the death or exile of any conservatives? NOPE, have I suggested they
are slower then the rest of us, YEP, but I have given my reasons for such a suggestion,
which as Ucci has mentioned can be agreed with or refuted or whatever....
Have I in the past suggested being conservative is a mental issue, yep and I am
not proud of that... I could have gone a different way with that besides saying
being conservative is a psychology issue.... but as I have noted before, I am
working on me and my issues... becoming human is about tackling such things....
creating a better society requires us becoming better people first....and such
is the place where I am coming from.....

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"GOP is a terrorist organization"

Anything to say?

"anyone who has posted against Clinton for the purpose
of getting Herr Trumpf is a supporter of terrorism....."

Anything to say?

You also mentioned specific members as supporters of terrorism. Anything to say?


K: I do believe the GOP is a terrorist organization as I have stated and for the
reasons I have stated...and I do believe that anyone who supports the GOP supports
terrorism also for the reasons I have stated...I believe that the GOP will damage
America in ways we can't even begin to see yet as it damaged America during the
Bush Jr. years....as for my comments... would you like me to give you the PC version
of terrorist group...... Sorry I don't do PC......The reason my calling the GOP terrorism
and it is not, NOT an insult is simple, I am stating facts. I have shown you how the
GOP is a terrorist group and how anyone who supports the GOP is supporting terrorism....
the GOP is doing a better job of destroying America then ISIS and Al Quida put together
and I have shown you that....Now you may disagree and that is fine and dandy,
but I stick by my words and they are not insults but facts and facts that
will be demonstrated time and time again over the next 4 years.....

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Re: Suicide should be available to everyone

Postby surreptitious57 » Sat Dec 17, 2016 7:44 am

phyllo wrote:
So improving quality of discourse and increasing philosophical content are not reasonable goals to strive for at ILP? Are we here to simply care for the mentally ill?

It is possible for someone to be mentally ill and still post actual philosophy. Despite what I said about the quality of discourse improving if the mentally ill posters were removed. The only one who posts complete rubbish is Ecmandu. Trixie posts a lot of it too just not everything. I would personally favour stricter moderation than see anyone banned. There is no reason why this cannot be enforced. An awful lot of what is discussed here has got nothing at all to do with philosophy. Satyr
is absolutely right about this. It would be nice if we could raise the bar and give Turd some quality material to engage with. Trixie is highly intelligent and she can
apply herself when she feels like it. I am sure Ecmandu can too. We all can regardless of who we are as no one is beyond self improvement. All it takes is willpower
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Re: Suicide should be available to everyone

Postby phyllo » Sat Dec 17, 2016 3:33 pm

It is possible for someone to be mentally ill and still post actual philosophy.
That's true and it very much depends on the nature of the illness. One can overlook the occasional wacky post but if the vast majority of posts are crazy then one has to classify that member as MI for all practical purposes.
The only one who posts complete rubbish is Ecmandu.
Shellytrokan is another one. I have a couple of others in mind.
I would personally favour stricter moderation than see anyone banned. There is no reason why this cannot be enforced.
Probably the biggest obstacle is getting moderators who are prepared to put in the time and effort.
An awful lot of what is discussed here has got nothing at all to do with philosophy. Satyr
is absolutely right about this.
Exactly.
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Re: Suicide should be available to everyone

Postby phyllo » Sat Dec 17, 2016 3:50 pm

K: I do believe the GOP is a terrorist organization as I have stated and for the
reasons I have stated...and I do believe that anyone who supports the GOP supports
terrorism also for the reasons I have stated...I believe that the GOP will damage
America in ways we can't even begin to see yet as it damaged America during the
Bush Jr. years....as for my comments... would you like me to give you the PC version
of terrorist group...... Sorry I don't do PC......The reason my calling the GOP terrorism
and it is not, NOT an insult is simple, I am stating facts. I have shown you how the
GOP is a terrorist group and how anyone who supports the GOP is supporting terrorism....
the GOP is doing a better job of destroying America then ISIS and Al Quida put together
and I have shown you that....Now you may disagree and that is fine and dandy,
but I stick by my words and they are not insults but facts and facts that
will be demonstrated time and time again over the next 4 years.....

Kropotkin
One of the biggest problems of the modern era is hyperbole. At one time, the word 'terrorism' was restricted to real acts of terror ... the FLQ in Canada, the IRA in the UK. But gradually, less violent and threatening acts were labeled as terrorism. Now we are at the point where some people use the word for even minor inconveniences and disagreements. For example, a proposal to reduce social security payments would be called 'terrorism'. Right?
That's how you use the word.
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Re: Suicide should be available to everyone

Postby Pandora » Sat Dec 17, 2016 6:08 pm

(Hmm, smells like Aidan in here)

Ecmandu, you'd probably benefit from spending some quiet alone time at a nice quiet beach house. Just you, the sea and the birds. Under these conditions, maybe after a year or so your brain will reset itself. But before then, you should not be subjected to stimulus of any kind; I don't think your brain can handle it well right now.

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Re: Suicide should be available to everyone

Postby Ecmandu » Sat Dec 17, 2016 9:04 pm

Women tell me quite often that they like me more than their boyfriends...

It's called "surrogate gay best friend for life" or the friend zone"

Guys don't do that to women, men are actually sexually attracted to the spirit of the person.

They subjectify more than women
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Re: Suicide should be available to everyone

Postby Ecmandu » Sat Dec 17, 2016 9:14 pm

I'm going to do a couple cross postings because people in large numbers are talking about banning me...

Consider it self defense

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Re: Suicide should be available to everyone

Postby Uccisore » Sun Dec 18, 2016 2:17 am

phyllo wrote:You have decided to accept mentally ill members. You don't ban them (when you discover that they are MI). Mentally ill people will post crazy stuff. They can't be moderated because they are crazy.
Removing a couple of posts, once in a while, will not change their behavior. Notice that the removal of Ecmandu's posts produced even more posts from him.


I don't disagree with any of this. But Ecmandu's increased volume of crazy posts weren't on my section of the forums so I don't care. If I drive him out of Society and Politics often enough, maybe he'll become somebody else's problem and then he will get banned.

Singling him out while ignoring other crazy posts from other MI members is ridiculous. It's caused by a personal issue between him and Uccisore.


The appearance of personal issues between me and him is precisely why I merely boot his ass out of my section of the forums instead of banning him forever, which I could with the click of a button at any time, and I highly doubt I would get significant blowback. Hell, I have banned him before for a week or two at a time. He's mostly kept his idiocy to the pro-idiocy sections of the forums until recently.

MI members - I think that I would ban MI members. If you choose not to do that, then I suggest ignoring their harmless posts and moving the offensive stuff to Rant.


An obligatory "not all mentally Ill people are ill in a way that makes them bad for forum discussions" goes here, but in general I get what you mean and I don't disagree.
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Re: Suicide should be available to everyone

Postby Ultimate Philosophy 1001 » Sun Dec 18, 2016 3:04 pm

Ecmandu wrote:Women tell me quite often that they like me more than their boyfriends...

It's called "surrogate gay best friend for life" or the friend zone"

Guys don't do that to women, men are actually sexually attracted to the spirit of the person.

They subjectify more than women


Men objectify more than women. Women aren't bothered by fugly dudes but men are bothered by fugly women. Women do seem more unfair and evil in the dating game but I'm still trying to figure out the exact equation as to why.
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Re: Suicide should be available to everyone

Postby Ecmandu » Sun Dec 18, 2016 3:18 pm

Ultimate Philosophy 1001 wrote:
Ecmandu wrote:Women tell me quite often that they like me more than their boyfriends...

It's called "surrogate gay best friend for life" or the friend zone"

Guys don't do that to women, men are actually sexually attracted to the spirit of the person.

They subjectify more than women


Men objectify more than women. Women aren't bothered by fugly dudes but men are bothered by fugly women. Women do seem more unfair and evil in the dating game but I'm still trying to figure out the exact equation as to why.


No women more than men. Humane suicide is the most fundamental right... It's the ultimate subjectify cation of any being in existence.

The reason we don't have it, is because women derive self esteem from abusing men (their children too) - "I'm so important because I'm a mom, moms work harder than anyone". Bullshit!!

The only reason you're still a mom bragging on yourself is because men just want to get laid, and you have a blackmail system that makes men also not make humane suicide available to everyone.

I'm living proof that women objectify more than men do.
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Re: Suicide should be available to everyone

Postby Ultimate Philosophy 1001 » Sun Dec 18, 2016 3:22 pm

If anything, you should be a 2nd amendment activist and laughing gas activist. 12 gauge shotgun and laughing gas are the only humane ways of suicide, both items too heavily regulated to be put in the hands of the suicidal.

In my eyes, women don't objectify you. Superficially, you are a lumberjack who lives in a log cabin, but on the inside they subjectively view you as a surrogate friend. I do not think women are so stupid to the point where they are unaware you have lust for them.
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