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Suicide should be available to everyone

Postby Ecmandu » Wed Dec 14, 2016 5:23 pm

Carleas said my earlier posts were deleted because my titles were deceiving ...

This is a test.

It's definitely a society topic, incontrovertibly so.

There's even a thesis here.

Actually this is the most pressing society topic ever on this board.

So this is a test.

Suicide is the anti-game.

If humane suicide is available everywhere, then it's impossible for us to be slaves, economic objects, property of the state, trinkets for others self esteem.

Suicide is not a game.

In the absence of humane suicide, people glibly and evilly say, "you must play the game to win"

Suicide is the anti-game, people who prevent it are profiting off it, whether with money and social status.

Suicide not only facilitates subjectifying people, it adds a layer of accountability that makes the game have pressure to not exist.

It's a matter of the most fundamental personal freedom that exists in the entire universe.

These people (who make it inhumane) are sociopaths, all of them!
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Re: Suicide should be available to everyone

Postby phyllo » Wed Dec 14, 2016 5:34 pm

Carleas said my earlier posts were moved because my titles were deceiving ...
Then half the posts on ILP should be moved or deleted. What bullshit.
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Re: Suicide should be available to everyone

Postby Ecmandu » Wed Dec 14, 2016 5:45 pm

phyllo wrote:
Carleas said my earlier posts were moved because my titles were deceiving ...
Then half the posts on ILP should be moved or deleted. What bullshit.


I'll edit the post to clarify "deleted", my bad.

I have some other edits I need to make as well.

This is a test !
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Re: Suicide should be available to everyone

Postby Carleas » Wed Dec 14, 2016 5:46 pm

Moved to Meta by me. And that isn't what I told you:

Carleas wrote:I see [Uccisore]'s deleted three of you threads. Of those, one has a blanket insult in the title directed at all Trump supporters, and the other two are aimed at Uccisore himself. I agree with him that those don't belong in the SG&E forum. While he could have moved them to Rant, there isn't anything requiring that he do so; they are short and clearly rushed, and they are all ad hominem.
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Re: Suicide should be available to everyone

Postby Ecmandu » Wed Dec 14, 2016 5:54 pm

And I said it was proactive!!

Uccisore admitted he doesn't even read my posts anymore, he just deleted them on sight.

I'm trying to maintain a semblance of sanity here Carleas.
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Re: Suicide should be available to everyone

Postby Ecmandu » Wed Dec 14, 2016 6:02 pm

I call bullshit Carleas...

You said "what do you think if a stranger selects a thread titled xyz, would think of our boards if it was about abc"

I can dig up the full quote!!
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Re: Suicide should be available to everyone

Postby phyllo » Wed Dec 14, 2016 6:06 pm

It's funny that Ecmandu is on the blacklist while other trolls, spammers and nutters roam free.

Peter Kropotkin insults republicans, conservatives and Trump supporters in at least half of his posts. He has called the GOP a terrorist organization and anyone who has posted against Clinton "a supporter of terrorism". His stuff is not deleted or moved. :confusion-shrug:

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Re: Suicide should be available to everyone

Postby Carleas » Wed Dec 14, 2016 7:09 pm

Ecmandu, your threads were short, disjoint, and ad hominem. Your follow-ups were essentially the same threads as were already deleted, substituted with different titles and sown with commentary on the forum itself and the actions of its moderator, which are obviously irrelevant to a thread ostensibly about suicide (see e.g. this thread).

phyllo wrote:It's funny that Ecmandu is on the blacklist while other trolls, spammers and nutters roam free.

I think this is the wrong question, because it locks us into our past decisions, which may be mistaken. The question isn't "is this better or worse than the worst thing we've ever allowed to stand on the forum?", but rather "Does this post break the rules/violate the standard/undermine the purpose."

Besides, I don't know what the allegation is here. I think Trump is awful, and Ecmandu is one of my favorite trolls, spammers, and/or nutters. Uccisore may feel differently, but I don't see any abuse of his discretion. He hasn't removed any threads that weren't deserving of removal.
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Re: Suicide should be available to everyone

Postby Ecmandu » Wed Dec 14, 2016 7:17 pm

Like I said before...

I was being proactive.

You're doublespeak is that my thread was about the moderator.

I've been posting for 2 years now.

I have tremendous understanding of Uccisore ...

Uccisore thinks I'm mentally retarded, a troll, and insane.

He stated he doesn't even read my threads anymore.

So how absurd is it to title a thread,

"Uccisore, this is a society thread"

Not absurd at all!!
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Re: Suicide should be available to everyone

Postby Carleas » Wed Dec 14, 2016 7:22 pm

Ecmandu wrote:[H]ow absurd is it to title a thread,

"Uccisore, this is a society thread"

Not absurd at all!!

Yeah, dude, pretty fucking absurd. That title has nothing to do with the thread.

The thread, like this one, begins with a little rant about where you think your thread should be, which also has nothing to do with the topic of your thread. Half of what you wrote is obviously not on the subject of "Society, Government, and Economics", it's on the subject of how you think the forums should be run. Which you're fine to talk about here in Meta, or in PM to me or Uccisore, but it doesn't belong where you were putting it.
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Re: Suicide should be available to everyone

Postby Ecmandu » Wed Dec 14, 2016 7:26 pm

Bullshit!

Uccisore stated about 8 months ago, that if I ever post in his forum...

No matter what I say, he will move it.

So I tested him ...

He didn't move it, he deleted it.

I HAVE to address that point when posting on his forum!!
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Re: Suicide should be available to everyone

Postby Some Guy in History » Wed Dec 14, 2016 7:40 pm

Ecmandu wrote:Bullshit!

Uccisore stated about 8 months ago, that if I ever post in his forum...

No matter what I say, he will move it.

So I tested him ...

He didn't move it, he deleted it.

I HAVE to address that point when posting on his forum!!


Ec, are you respecting his freedom to express Himself?
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Re: Suicide should be available to everyone

Postby Ecmandu » Wed Dec 14, 2016 7:41 pm

Ecmandu wrote:Bullshit!

Uccisore stated about 8 months ago, that if I ever post in his forum...

No matter what I say, he will move it.

So I tested him ...

He didn't move it, he deleted it.

I HAVE to address that point when posting on his forum!!


Let's understand Uccisore for a moment...

According to Uccisore ....

I am mentally retarded, a worthless troll, completely insane, not worthy of life or speech, the scum of the entire earth, doesn't speak comprehensibly, a fraud, a charlatan, unworthy of respect by anyone, and knows absolutely nothing about politics.

I have friends on earth !!!

That takes a shit ton of understanding about politics!!

What you don't realize Carleas, is that Uccisore has anti social personality disorder ...

He's text book.

My posts are not inarticulate...

They are very easy to read and understand

Uccisore has said way worse things about me than I ever said about him.

There is a context here.

The context is real, and not imaginary
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Re: Suicide should be available to everyone

Postby Uccisore » Wed Dec 14, 2016 8:23 pm

Ecmandu wrote:
I am mentally retarded, a worthless troll, completely insane, not worthy of life or speech, the scum of the entire earth, doesn't speak comprehensibly, a fraud, a charlatan, unworthy of respect by anyone, and knows absolutely nothing about politics.


To be fair, I only believe or have said maybe....75% of that.

I have friends on earth !!!

That takes a shit ton of understanding about politics!!


I can work with this. If having friends on earth requires a shit ton of understanding about politics, then let's say I require at least 400 shit tons of understanding about politics for somebody to post on my forums.

When I say that you are completely insane and don't know anything about politics, and that you should take up other pursuits like finger painting, I am not speaking facetiously. As others have pointed out, there are all sorts of trolls and kooks and so on on my forums. But unlike you, they at least have the ability to say something about politics that is worth replying to, even if only to rebut. They demonstrate a basic comprehension of the key concepts and the language mechanics to express them. I can really only think of one other person that comes close to your level of uselessness on my forums, and I regularly move/delete/whatever their threads as well.

What you don't realize Carleas, is that Uccisore has anti social personality disorder ...

He's text book.


Not that you've actually read a text book on the matter (or any other matter, I suspect), but it depends. There's two kinds of tests/evaluations for anti-social personality disorder/psychopathy; those that place a strong emphasis on criminal behavior (Hare), and those that place a strong emphasis on inward thoughts and attitudes (Levenson). I test completely different depending on which of these I take.

Uccisore has said way worse things about me than I ever said about him.


I think you once called me a demon from hell put on earth to test you. I personally would rate that as worse than the things I've called you, but of course there's some subjectivity there.
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Re: Suicide should be available to everyone

Postby Ecmandu » Wed Dec 14, 2016 8:28 pm

Uccisore wrote:
Ecmandu wrote:
I am mentally retarded, a worthless troll, completely insane, not worthy of life or speech, the scum of the entire earth, doesn't speak comprehensibly, a fraud, a charlatan, unworthy of respect by anyone, and knows absolutely nothing about politics.


To be fair, I only believe or have said maybe....75% of that.

I have friends on earth !!!

That takes a shit ton of understanding about politics!!


I can work with this. If having friends on earth requires a shit ton of understanding about politics, then let's say I require at least 400 shit tons of understanding about politics for somebody to post on my forums.

When I say that you are completely insane and don't know anything about politics, and that you should take up other pursuits like finger painting, I am not speaking facetiously. As others have pointed out, there are all sorts of trolls and kooks and so on on my forums. But unlike you, they at least have the ability to say something about politics that is worth replying to, even if only to rebut. They demonstrate a basic comprehension of the key concepts and the language mechanics to express them. I can really only think of one other person that comes close to your level of uselessness on my forums, and I regularly move/delete/whatever their threads as well.

What you don't realize Carleas, is that Uccisore has anti social personality disorder ...

He's text book.


Not that you've actually read a text book on the matter (or any other matter, I suspect), but it depends. There's two kinds of tests/evaluations for anti-social personality disorder/psychopathy; those that place a strong emphasis on criminal behavior (Hare), and those that place a strong emphasis on inward thoughts and attitudes (Levenson). I test completely different depending on which of these I take.

Uccisore has said way worse things about me than I ever said about him.


I think you once called me a demon from hell put on earth to test you. I personally would rate that as worse than the things I've called you, but of course there's some subjectivity there.


I never called you a demon from hell..,

You're misremembering.

Uccisore ... APD's are not bad people.

They often make great firemen or police officers...

Often doing the shit nobody else wants to do !

What is insane or objectionable about this?:

www.ilovephilosophy.com/viewtopic.php?f ... 2#p2644392

You deleted it twice
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Re: Suicide should be available to everyone

Postby Uccisore » Wed Dec 14, 2016 8:47 pm

Well, thanks for calling me a not-bad person then, I guess.
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Re: Suicide should be available to everyone

Postby Uccisore » Wed Dec 14, 2016 8:58 pm

phyllo wrote:It's funny that Ecmandu is on the blacklist while other trolls, spammers and nutters roam free.

Peter Kropotkin insults republicans, conservatives and Trump supporters in at least half of his posts. He has called the GOP a terrorist organization and anyone who has posted against Clinton "a supporter of terrorism". His stuff is not deleted or moved. :confusion-shrug:

viewtopic.php?f=3&t=191625&p=2636590&hilit=terrorist#p2636590


His stuff isn't deleted or moved because you can argue with it. He is providing interact-able content. I don't care about the insulting nature so much, because his insults are embedded in coherent points he is making which you can agree with, refute, or whatever. Ecmandu frequently doesn't rise to that level.
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Re: Suicide should be available to everyone

Postby Ecmandu » Wed Dec 14, 2016 9:08 pm

I asked you a point blank question Uccisore ...

What is objectionable about this??

You can ask billions of people about this, and all of their answers will be retarded and not lucid or succinct ...

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Re: Suicide should be available to everyone

Postby phyllo » Wed Dec 14, 2016 9:11 pm

I think this is the wrong question, because it locks us into our past decisions, which may be mistaken.
It's not a question. It's a comment on the arbitrariness of moderation around here.
The question isn't "is this better or worse than the worst thing we've ever allowed to stand on the forum?", but rather "Does this post break the rules/violate the standard/undermine the purpose."
I didn't say anything about "the worst thing ... allowed" . Nice try to shift and distort.
Besides, I don't know what the allegation is here. I think Trump is awful, and Ecmandu is one of my favorite trolls, spammers, and/or nutters. Uccisore may feel differently, but I don't see any abuse of his discretion.
Okay, well it's business as usual.
He hasn't removed any threads that weren't deserving of removal.
He also didn't remove posts/threads that did deserve removal. He didn't deal with obvious personal attacks and ad homs.
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Re: Suicide should be available to everyone

Postby phyllo » Wed Dec 14, 2016 9:18 pm

His stuff isn't deleted or moved because you can argue with it. He is providing interact-able content.
It's okay for PK to call posters who don't like Hillary Clinton ... "supporters of terrorism" ??

Barbarianhorde provided interactable content?

How much of Trixie's content can you argue with?
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Re: Suicide should be available to everyone

Postby Ecmandu » Wed Dec 14, 2016 10:02 pm

I know Uccisore has APD now...

It takes me a long time to even think of diagnosis, if at all.

I'm not scared, because I actually know APD's, and most are harmless ...

My diagnosis for the purpose of Big Pharma, is schizo affective....

That's like diagnosing a shaman with schizophrenia !!

I actually have no aspergers, no personality disorder, and actually not schizoid either.

I'm a very sane person that Uccisore insists on calling completely crazy.

As a result of Uccisore and carleas with respect to this post about suicide...

I think they are both nuts.

I didn't think that before.

I've been in mental institutions for 25 years folks...

I know of what I speak
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Re: Suicide should be available to everyone

Postby Some Guy in History » Wed Dec 14, 2016 10:36 pm

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Re: Suicide should be available to everyone

Postby Ecmandu » Wed Dec 14, 2016 11:41 pm

I'm not going to let Carleas and Uccisore get away with this!!!!!

I ask you again Uccisore, as a direct question: What is offensive about this post?

You deleted it twice.

Fuck Uccisore, not even you have the much concise clarity about politics…

You'd be one of this people on the tonight show who was asked these questions, and replied in full honesty "George Bush" and everyone would laugh…

Yet I know nothing about politics right?

"QUOTE"

Left is : be whoever you want to be : if you fuck with this, you go to jail

Right is: some people's success impinges on others' rights, but collectivism should not stifle individual innovation (namely the capacity to horde money)

But both the left and the right are plutocratic entities, the entire press is controlled...

Dems are direct democracy.

Pubs are representative democracy.

And apparently, you can't talk about trump negatively, even on the most liberal forum on the net. I shit on everyone, not just trump... But apparently, if my argument even implies trump...

Uccisore deletes it.

Carleas says it's ok, because it's ad hom against Uccisore !!!

Tell me what is so retarded about that post Uccisore..

I bet if I asked you before I posted this, you couldn't even answer the question!!!
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Re: Suicide should be available to everyone

Postby Carleas » Wed Dec 14, 2016 11:42 pm

phyllo wrote:He also didn't remove posts/threads that did deserve removal. He didn't deal with obvious personal attacks and ad homs.

I think it's clear that we tend to err on the side of permissiveness. And that's a problem when the rules are selectively enforced to e.g. advance a certain position. This anti-Trump thread was removed by a pro-Trump moderator, but you yourself point to a venomously anti-Trump thread that wasn't deleted (though you think it should have been).

I guess I'm just wondering what you're getting at. Yes, there are threads that are not removed on this site that arguably should be. What of it?
Ecmandu wrote:As a result of Uccisore and carleas with respect to this post about suicide...

I think they are both nuts.

I'm going to go out on a limb and wager that very few people who describe your thread as "about suicide". Your thread is about the forum and how you think a moderator is behaving unjustly (and how you're testing the moderator and forums). You also mention suicide. But watch: I am mentioning a duck. And yet, this post is not about ducks.
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Re: Suicide should be available to everyone

Postby Some Guy in History » Wed Dec 14, 2016 11:49 pm

We're all slightly ducky here...
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