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Re: Dan should not continue as MODERATOR

Postby Dan~ » Tue Aug 04, 2015 11:33 pm

Have you ever played Rise of Nations?
Or Ages of Empires?

That is what race was.

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Re: Dan should not continue as MODERATOR

Postby Uccisore » Wed Aug 05, 2015 2:01 am

Dan~ wrote:It's like they know better than me what my own beliefs are.

That's annoying.


On the internet, your beliefs are whatever the most easily-offended snowflake can interpret them to be.
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Re: Dan should not continue as MODERATOR

Postby Uccisore » Wed Aug 05, 2015 2:04 am

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Just kidding, I know your name is Uccisore, I am so funny and witty, hahaha !!


Are you pretending not to know my name because it's an Italian word, and Italians all look the same to you? Would you understand my name better if we were in person and you could see me moving my hands when I speak, like a dirty Italian? Is that what you think, that just because my name is Italian you don't have to take the time to learn it? WE BUILT THE RAILROADS YOU ASSHOLE!!
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Re: Dan should not continue as MODERATOR

Postby James S Saint » Wed Aug 05, 2015 10:20 am

Arcturus Descending wrote:
phyllo wrote::-k If he said similar things about Christians or Muslims, nobody would complain. :-"


Oh, I think you are wrong there. Would it be racist, demeaning, derogatory?

Oh, he was certainly right there. I have watched that for years.
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Re: Dan should not continue as MODERATOR

Postby Arcturus Descending » Wed Aug 05, 2015 2:53 pm

Uccisore wrote:
Arcturus Descending wrote: But anyway, what does the racist remark which he made have to do with me toughening up?


Um, you were asking what we'd say to some hypothetical black woman who was exposed to, and presumably offended by, Dan's remarks. Go back and read what I wrote, and what you wrote that I was responding to.

I say stuff that sometimes doesn't make sense - we all do - except maybe for you. :evilfun: But do you see a difference between that and making a racist remark, a callous racial slur?


I see a lot of people who, if they are honest, basically never know what the fuck Dan is talking about pretending to understand what he means just so they can be offended by it.

That would make like ostriches with our heads in the sand.


if the choice is between whining about every little percieved injustice and insentive remark, or sticking our heads in the sand and letting things go unchallenged, which of the two do YOU think we have a bit too much of in this present society? Are you experiencing a shortage of people complaining about insensitive remarks on the internet these days?



I didn't say hypothetical black WOMAN what I said was

Arcturus Descending wrote:
What would you have said to a young teenage black girl who read this, or heard you speak those words, one who already had issues with her identify, who was ridiculed and made the butt of stupid SUPPOSEDLY FUNNY racial jokes and slurs all of her life?


I said teenage girl for a reason, Uccisore. Unfortunately a black woman would/might already be used to the idiocy and racial slurs...not accepting them but perhaps used to them. But of course, so would a black teenager but more vulnerable unfortunately.

You men are not even worth the time and energy in here that I put into it to show something. All this testosterone up against a little buttercup like myself. Actually Uccisore, I like the snowflake term better...unlike you guys who are simply sardines thrown together in a sardine can.
Grow up all of you, except for maybe phyllo... who was respectful and openminded.

So just continue with your silly beliefs being different than your racial slurs, Dan. Just continue not know what a stupid or silly racial slur is simply because you didn't mean it.
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No matter how you want to cut it - A RACIAL REMARK, A SLUR, MAKING CALLOUS FUN, IS STILL A RACIAL REMARK AND RACISM.

Don't bother responding to this - or do if you so choose but I won't be responding back.
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Re: Dan should not continue as MODERATOR

Postby AutSider » Wed Aug 05, 2015 4:34 pm

I said teenage girl for a reason, Uccisore. Unfortunately a black woman would/might already be used to the idiocy and racial slurs...not accepting them but perhaps used to them. But of course, so would a black teenager but more vulnerable unfortunately.


Oh noes! A precious, teeniee weenie black girl, such delicate little things that must be protected at all times from the cruel evils of men and language and everything else that might emotionally upset them



You men are not even worth the time and energy in here that I put into it to show something. All this testosterone up against a little buttercup like myself. Actually Uccisore, I like the snowflake term better...unlike you guys who are simply sardines thrown together in a sardine can.
Grow up all of you, except for maybe phyllo... who was respectful and openminded.


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Now the little, helpless buttercup is a victim of our horrible tolerance of what she perceives as intolerance, and it is all because of testosterone! Us men are just not worth it...
When I think about it, if it was people saying that women are not worth it, and complaining about too much estrogen, then they would be labeled sexist misogynist chauvinist patriarchal Nazist pigs. Luckily, we have penises instead of vaginas, so PHEW!

No matter how you want to cut it - A RACIAL REMARK, A SLUR, MAKING CALLOUS FUN, IS STILL A RACIAL REMARK AND RACISM.


Don't bother responding to this - or do if you so choose but I won't be responding back.
Ostriches with your heads in the sand.


A racial remark, a slur, making callous fun, racism? You mean, like calling humans ostriches? FUCKING OSTRICHES? OMFG!!!! THAT'S EVEN WORSE THAN RACISM, THAT'S CALLING A HUMAN BEING A FUCKING BIRD.
CALL THE SOCIAL JUSTICE WARRIORS! WE'VE GOT OURSELVES A CASE, AND POTENTIAL VICTIMS FOR POLITICALLY MOTIVATED MEDIA TO MAKE USE OF. Ah fuck, we're white men, nevermind...

Apparently, calling other ostriches, yes, fucking ostriches, is just fine, but saying that another race generally resembles great apes (much closer to us biologically than fucking ostriches) more than some other race, regardless of whether it is true or not, is not fine.

Unbelievable.
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Re: Dan should not continue as MODERATOR

Postby phoneutria » Wed Aug 05, 2015 5:03 pm

hey arc, are you black?
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Re: Dan should not continue as MODERATOR

Postby Mr Reasonable » Wed Aug 05, 2015 9:50 pm

Uccisore wrote:WE BUILT THE RAILROADS YOU ASSHOLE!!



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Re: Dan should not continue as MODERATOR

Postby Uccisore » Thu Aug 06, 2015 1:06 am

Arcturus Descending wrote:No matter how you want to cut it - A RACIAL REMARK, A SLUR, MAKING CALLOUS FUN, IS STILL A RACIAL REMARK AND RACISM.


Yeah, but who cares?
Racism was a big deal when it meant "You want to kill people of another race and hang them from trees for looking at your women". But now that we call everything from noticing the shape of somebody's nose to commenting about a race's success at sports 'racism', I simply fail to see why anybody should give a shit.
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Re: Dan should not continue as MODERATOR

Postby Arcturus Descending » Thu Aug 06, 2015 7:09 pm

AofC


Now the little, helpless buttercup is a victim of our horrible tolerance of what she perceives as intolerance


This interested me as I don't understand it - I don't follow your line of thinking here.
In what way and how are you seeing this as being "tolerant". Sure, you're being tolerant of Dan here - but is that the only thing you're seeing insofar as your "tolerance". If you're saying that racist remarks is somehow being tolerant, I don't get it. I would really like to understand your perspective.

Apparently, calling other ostriches, yes, fucking ostriches, is just fine, but saying that another race generally resembles great apes (much closer to us biologically than fucking ostriches) more than some other race, regardless of whether it is true or not, is not fine.


I used that analogy because some of you, not all, seem to have had your heads in the sand treating the whole situation as blase.
But what's wrong with ostriches? lol
I seem to have touched a chord there. Also there is the idiom - birds of a feather.
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Re: Dan should not continue as MODERATOR

Postby Arcturus Descending » Thu Aug 06, 2015 7:36 pm

Uccisore wrote:
Arcturus Descending wrote:No matter how you want to cut it - A RACIAL REMARK, A SLUR, MAKING CALLOUS FUN, IS STILL A RACIAL REMARK AND RACISM.


Yeah, but who cares?
Racism was a big deal when it meant "You want to kill people of another race and hang them from trees for looking at your women". But now that we call everything from noticing the shape of somebody's nose to commenting about a race's success at sports 'racism', I simply fail to see why anybody should give a shit.




The problem is that blacks are chimpy and that they don't believe it, when they should believe it, since we are supposedto be truthy moreso than chimpy.

So, you would equate what Dan said here with your remark about the shape of somebody's nose as being the same? You see no difference?
This is why you think it was a big deal then and not now. And AofC wonders why I called you guys ostriches?


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Re: Dan should not continue as MODERATOR

Postby Arcturus Descending » Thu Aug 06, 2015 7:51 pm

phoneutria wrote:hey arc, are you black?

No, I'm not but why would this make any difference if I was except as a way for some in here to try to gain an advantage by using that as an excuse and for some to exercise some sleigh of hand.
I'm also straight but I believe in live and let live. We like to hate and ridicule gay people too because we cant see differences except where we need to feel superior to others.
Anti-racism isn't about not seeing differences - that would be absurd - but it is about ridiculing those differences and seeing superiority where there may not be any, just for the fact of a race being different. That's why racism is actually stupid.
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Re: Dan should not continue as MODERATOR

Postby AutSider » Thu Aug 06, 2015 8:01 pm

But what's wrong with ostriches? lol
I seem to have touched a chord there. Also there is the idiom - birds of a feather.


So you admit you touched a chord there, aka, you think you found something that insults me on a personal level, and you continue mentioning it.
You then also imply that I have no opinion of my own, and I just flock together with the other birds
What's wrong with ostriches? What's wrong with apes? You might as well have called me a rat... oh wait, rats are more intelligent than Ostriches. Fuck, I'm dumber than a rat according to you. Talk about dehumanization?

See, when one wants to, it's possible to interpret things which are not intended to be offensive, as offensive. Just like you took Dan's statement, which was not intended to be offensive, as offensive, I took yours about ostriches.

What's worse, the statement that 'blacks are more chimpy than whites' is a general truth, but yes, I agree that blacks are obviously human and overall embody much, MUCH more of the human traits than the chimpy (primitive) ones, but compared to whites, or Asians, yeah, I think they are more chimpy both in behavior (more inclined to crime and violence, which is backed by statistics) and looks (longer hands, portruding jaw) and intelligence (lower IQ on average than whites or Asians), but like I said, they are much, MUCH more similar to other human races of course, than chimps.

Say there is a scale, and the more similar two organisms generally are, the closer they are, it would look like this:

Chimps----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------blacks---whites

So yes, they are a little more similar to chimps. Whites and blacks are closer than whites and chimps, or blacks and chimps, but blacks are a little closer to chimps than whites, though I would agree the 'distance' is negligible.

Anyway, this will be my final word on this matter. I'm sorry if you still don't understand what I'm trying to say.
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Re: Dan should not continue as MODERATOR

Postby Uccisore » Sat Aug 08, 2015 2:55 am

Arcturus Descending wrote:
Uccisore wrote:
Arcturus Descending wrote:No matter how you want to cut it - A RACIAL REMARK, A SLUR, MAKING CALLOUS FUN, IS STILL A RACIAL REMARK AND RACISM.


Yeah, but who cares?
Racism was a big deal when it meant "You want to kill people of another race and hang them from trees for looking at your women". But now that we call everything from noticing the shape of somebody's nose to commenting about a race's success at sports 'racism', I simply fail to see why anybody should give a shit.




The problem is that blacks are chimpy and that they don't believe it, when they should believe it, since we are supposedto be truthy moreso than chimpy.

So, you would equate what Dan said here with your remark about the shape of somebody's nose as being the same? You see no difference?
This is why you think it was a big deal then and not now. And AofC wonders why I called you guys ostriches?


Still not seeing why anybody should care yet.


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Re: Dan should not continue as MODERATOR

Postby Arcturus Descending » Mon Aug 10, 2015 4:22 pm

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I seem to have touched a chord there. Also there is the idiom - birds of a feather.

So you admit you touched a chord there, aka, you think you found something that insults me on a personal level, and you continue mentioning it.


I actually admitted nothing there, AofC. I observed though that I only "seemed" to hae touched a chord. I couldn't know for sure except by your admission.


You then also imply that I have no opinion of my own, and I just flock together with the other birds


Well, as human beings we are prone to do this now and again, aren't we?
i can't honestly say if I was implying that or not - it just seemed to me that no one in here was "seeing' what I saw.
From the beginning, all i was doing was pointing to how I saw Dan's remark and words as a racist one[s].


What's wrong with ostriches? What's wrong with apes? You might as well have called me a rat... oh wait, rats are more intelligent than Ostriches. ?


There's nothing wrong with ostriches except that when they have their heads in the sand, they can't see what's up. I don't know how that idiom got started.

Fuck, I'm dumber than a rat according to you. Talk about dehumanization

I wasn't really dehumanizing you when I called you guys ostriches. It was simply a metaphor. I call myself a she-dragon and sometimes a wolf. Nothing wrong in that. As humans, we can compare ourselves to any animal. I sometimes think of myself as a squirrel because I'm intelligent enough, practical enough to store my "nuts" for the winter (money assets). I sometimes think of myself as being "squirrely" when I'm acting kind of weird and funny. Nothing wrong with that.

But what Dan did was clearly racist. I didn't call him a racist as i said I didn't know him.

See, when one wants to, it's possible to interpret things which are not intended to be offensive, as offensive. Just like you took Dan's statement, which was not intended to be offensive, as offensive, I took yours about ostriches.


If I was a black woman, I would have been offended by that ignorant remark. It was ignorant. You can feel free to call me an ostrich anytime you want AofC. That wouldn't offend me. You still are not capable of seeing it as I am. But that's okay.
It's a perspective thing.

What's worse, the statement that 'blacks are more chimpy than whites' is a general truth, but yes, I agree that blacks are obviously human and overall embody much, MUCH more of the human traits than the chimpy (primitive) ones, but compared to whites, or Asians, yeah, I think they are more chimpy both in behavior (more inclined to crime and violence, which is backed by statistics) and looks (longer hands, portruding jaw) and intelligence (lower IQ on average than whites or Asians), but like I said, they are much, MUCH more similar to other human races of course, than chimps.


Let it go, let it go, let it go, Arc.

Anyway, this will be my final word on this matter. I'm sorry if you still don't understand what I'm trying to say.


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