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Dan should not continue as MODERATOR

Postby Lev Muishkin » Sun Jul 19, 2015 10:51 am

The task of moderation requires balance and fairness. As I'd not put a Nazi in charge of a thread, I'd also not put a fundamentalist christian, or Islamist terrorist.
So what have we got a racist as a moderator?
Dan has gone beyond the boundaries of taste in this thread.
viewtopic.php?f=6&t=187881
And needs to be booted.

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Re: Dan should not continue as MODERATOR

Postby AutSider » Sun Jul 19, 2015 12:32 pm

As opposed to marxists like you, with an even more skewed perception of reality?
Black people do look more like apes compared to whites... they just have a more similar bodily (f.e. longer arms) and especially facial structure (portruding jaw, wide nostrils) to that of apes.

Besides, I am not sure if Dan was serious or not.
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Re: Dan should not continue as MODERATOR

Postby phyllo » Sun Jul 19, 2015 1:17 pm

The Rant thread where Lev calls the original poster an "ignorant c..t"
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Re: Dan should not continue as MODERATOR

Postby mafdet » Sun Jul 19, 2015 1:21 pm

Well let's do a google image search for "looks like an ape"

https://www.google.ca/search?q=ape-like ... ike+an+ape

Notice who comes up at the top of the page: Steven Tyler -a white guy!

And Obama comes up, but so does George Bush, but not Bill Clinton.
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Re: Dan should not continue as MODERATOR

Postby phyllo » Sun Jul 19, 2015 1:55 pm

There are a number of questions raised here:

Is a moderator allowed to post anything that he/she wants?
- In a thread that he is moderating?
- In a thread that he is not moderating?
- In a Rant thread?

Do certain beliefs automatically disqualify a person from being a moderator?
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Re: Dan should not continue as MODERATOR

Postby Mr Reasonable » Sun Jul 19, 2015 10:01 pm

Lev, coming from me, this should mean something. Are you ready?

You're way to far to the left. You've lost your sense of moderation and are an extremist.

Glad I could get that out.

Also, I think Dan should be a moderator. So I disagree with you.

You cited some things you think you disagree with him about. That's great.

But check this out....

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Re: Dan should not continue as MODERATOR

Postby AutSider » Mon Jul 20, 2015 12:20 am

phyllo wrote:The Rant thread where Lev calls the original poster an "ignorant c..t"
:lol:


It's also fun because some of the same leftists he so adores, would rip him a new one if they heard him say the horrible, sexist word that is "cunt".
Exchanging our sincere perceptions about the general differences in races and genders, some of which can even be backed up by statistics, is racist and sexist, but calling a stranger all kinds of vile names, is alrighty, as long as they're a horrible non-leftist.
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Re: Dan should not continue as MODERATOR

Postby Moreno » Mon Jul 20, 2015 4:08 pm

Lev Muishkin wrote:The task of moderation requires balance and fairness. As I'd not put a Nazi in charge of a thread, I'd also not put a fundamentalist christian, or Islamist terrorist.
So what have we got a racist as a moderator?
Dan has gone beyond the boundaries of taste in this thread.
viewtopic.php?f=6&t=187881
And needs to be booted.
I read Dan's first posts there as mocking racist arguments like the one in the OP.

I think humorless people should be banned.

And anyone who is rigid and regularly illogical, even if they think they are right because they are on the 'right team':
like, say, 'rational', sourpuss science groupies who don't know shit about epistemology or science, amongst other things,
should also not be moderators.
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Re: Dan should not continue as MODERATOR

Postby Sauwelios » Mon Jul 20, 2015 6:56 pm

You people know all people are apes and all apes are mammals, right?
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Re: Dan should not continue as MODERATOR

Postby The Golden Turd » Mon Jul 20, 2015 9:38 pm

I think Humans are sufficiently divergent from the great apes anatomically to qualify for our own category, along with our Homo ancestors like Erectus and Neanderthals. Our brains underwent significant changes, walk upright as our primary mode, and our feet look nothing like their feet. Our arms don't swing as their arms do, and we exist in habitats they can't naturally exist in, and have learning, language, and tool use on a scale they can't begin to compete with. A lot of similarities, but also, crucial differences that really set us apart.

Secondly, Dan was elected via popular vote. If we are going to advocate getting rid of a popular mod, then impeach him.... we can debate this for a week, then slap a poll up, and if he fails bad, bring this as evidence to the Administrator Careless.

Dan isn't like Magsj or Only Humean who are mods for apparently no good reason (and won't quit no matter how many times we've requested they go), we literally choose him.

So let's collectively ask ourselves and vote before bum rushing the Admin. Impeachment doesn't mean we want him gone, just means we want to investigate and try him for an offence, with the end aim of booting his ass.

My vote in advance is.... Keep him. I could live with Dan or even Fixed Cross being a mod, so long as they don't make a egoist ass of themselves. Less is more as a mod, if people want to have a conversation, so be it, they are adults and can only hurt one another emotionally at worst on a site like this. Its too easy to forget mods are people too, and have the right to express themselves. Its that green color that comes off threateningly and authorative.... you get a feeling they can do whatever they want to you if a discussion goes against their warped outlook.... and heated discussions can make anyone seem warped.

I recommend the therapeutic exercise of brutally cussing a moderator out when you see them doing something bad. Its very relaxing and good for the soul, a substitute for a cup of morning tea. It reminds them that they are terrible human beings, and are being watched like a hawk, but with the added benefit that they don't need to get banned themselves, as they become more self conscious of their actions and less likely to abuse their authority in the short term after identifying their wrong headed actions.

Just tell them your mad as hell and your not gonna take it anymore. It makes them a better person in the end, so you can consider it a act of charity, not dissimilar to giving a dollar at the checkout to St. Jude's Hospital, or agreeing to donate half your liver to a terminal homeless alcoholic.
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Re: Dan should not continue as MODERATOR

Postby MagsJ » Mon Jul 20, 2015 10:21 pm

Oh Turd.. you do like mentioning my name, don't you. I was hounded for not banning those that had a moral objection to another, so sue me. :shock:
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Re: Dan should not continue as MODERATOR

Postby Uccisore » Wed Jul 22, 2015 8:16 pm

I don't get it. Dan doesn't even say anything racist in the cited thread.
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Re: Dan should not continue as MODERATOR

Postby Mr Reasonable » Wed Jul 22, 2015 11:14 pm

Ucc, Lev thinks everything is racist.
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Re: Dan should not continue as MODERATOR

Postby Lev Muishkin » Thu Jul 23, 2015 8:35 am

Moreno wrote:
Lev Muishkin wrote:The task of moderation requires balance and fairness. As I'd not put a Nazi in charge of a thread, I'd also not put a fundamentalist christian, or Islamist terrorist.
So what have we got a racist as a moderator?
Dan has gone beyond the boundaries of taste in this thread.
viewtopic.php?f=6&t=187881
And needs to be booted.
I read Dan's first posts there as mocking racist arguments like the one in the OP.

I think humorless people should be banned.
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I think people with poor reading and comprehension skills ought to STFU.
"Why do blacks look like Apes? Because they are sub-human" (I paraphrase).
What don't you understand about "sub-human"?

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Re: Dan should not continue as MODERATOR

Postby Carleas » Thu Jul 23, 2015 2:03 pm

Lev Muishkin wrote:"Why do blacks look like Apes? Because they are sub-human" (I paraphrase).

You paraphrase incorrectly. Dan only ever referred to "people", not "blacks" as you have it, so when he said "they're now sub-human", he was most likely referring to all people.

As others have pointed out, he was making an absurd argument to mock the racist arguments, not to join in.
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Re: Dan should not continue as MODERATOR

Postby Uccisore » Mon Jul 27, 2015 8:08 am

When did "paraphrase" start meaning "lie'"? Is that some new hipster slang I'm not up on?
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Re: Dan should not continue as MODERATOR

Postby Arcturus Descending » Wed Jul 29, 2015 7:28 pm

by Dan~ » Tue Apr 14, 2015 6:15 pm

The problem is that blacks are chimpy and that they don't believe it, when they should believe it, since we are supposedto be truthy moreso than chimpy.

If not for truth, then for what else should we post or think about?

Either they are going to help keep the store prices medium high for bananas and popcorn,
or if they leave the country, they will stir up antinigs elsewhere, then go on matches,
break coffee shops, eat each other, etc.


Dan,

Is it possible that you were drinking or already drunk when you wrote this?

For anyone who CANNOT see this as racist, I can only believe that you guys have just become so callous and apathetic or that you allow your biases toward the people you like to rule your mind to the point of being/becoming mindless. This is pure racism.

Dan, even if you said this JUST in jest, in a sense it would make it even worse than if you said it in ignorance. A person who is truly ignorant hasn't as of yet learned the difference.

Racism IS ignorance and trying to be cute with our racial slurs or worse is ignorant, thoughtless and callous.

I think that moderators need to hold to disinterest in threads. They are there to moderate - not to join in the herd mentality and to be swayed by it. If they want to win friends and influence people, they need to influence people in a more positive way.

People try to be such objectivists in these places but really all they are succeeding in doing is giving that word a really bad rap and a malodorous environment.

I can't for the life of me understand how some of you people in here (not all) can find such garbage to be funny and reasonable and philosophical.
GROW UP ALREADY and think with your heart and feel with your mind - since you seem to have it all a _ _ backwards anyway.
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Re: Dan should not continue as MODERATOR

Postby Arcturus Descending » Wed Jul 29, 2015 7:42 pm

Carleas wrote:
Lev Muishkin wrote:"Why do blacks look like Apes? Because they are sub-human" (I paraphrase).

You paraphrase incorrectly. Dan only ever referred to "people", not "blacks" as you have it, so when he said "they're now sub-human", he was most likely referring to all people.

Carleas,


As others have pointed out, he was making an absurd argument to mock the racist arguments, not to join in.


THINK AGAIN!!!!
Read my post above (and his quote) and hopefully you will not make excuses for him.
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Re: Dan should not continue as MODERATOR

Postby Arcturus Descending » Wed Jul 29, 2015 8:44 pm

[quote="phyllo"]There are a number of questions raised here:

Do certain beliefs automatically disqualify a person from being a moderator?


No,I would say no, Otherwise that too would be bias. BUT not as long as the moderator shows complete disinterest in the thread - as long as the beliefs do not get in the way of his doing his job - as long as those beliefs are not voiced. Not an easy thing I suppose to do or not to do but still...that's what moderating is about - not pushing the tipping point but keeping it balanced.

The way I look at it, the moderator is like a guide, a sentinel, a beacon, a compass might be a good word for it, to keep the thread on track in ALL WAYS or as much as is humanly intelligently possible - but it is not his/her job to go romping with the herd, to create more chaos through bigotry or bias or ignorance. A little innocent side-bar, what have you, a comment here or there, fine but remaining disinterested/unbiased.

Keep all the moderators as moderators but perhaps it would be a good idea to inject some new blood into their veins occasionally - in other words, moderating the moderators. Even teenagers in HS halls sometimes make better monitors.
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Re: Dan should not continue as MODERATOR

Postby AutSider » Wed Jul 29, 2015 9:14 pm

So the moderator is supposed to be disinterested in the very thread he is participating in, and shouldn't voice his beliefs?

Are you fucking retarded?
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Re: Dan should not continue as MODERATOR

Postby Arcturus Descending » Wed Jul 29, 2015 9:47 pm

Arbiter of Change wrote:So the moderator is supposed to be disinterested in the very thread he is participating in, and shouldn't voice his beliefs?

Are you fucking retarded?


No I'm not retarded. Are you?

I don't think that a moderator should voice his opinions - I mean his personal opinions, beliefs, idealogies about what is being said, about the subject matter. He is there ONLY to moderate.

BUT of course the moderator needs to be INVOLVED insofar as the turn in which the thread is being taken, I mean about ad homs, civility, et cetera and bring it back to normalcy - not allowing the lunacy.

He might be really interested but what I mean by "disinterested" is not taking part in it. Look up "disinterest".
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Re: Dan should not continue as MODERATOR

Postby AutSider » Wed Jul 29, 2015 10:49 pm

He might be really interested but what I mean by "disinterested" is not taking part in it. Look up "disinterest".


My apologies - you are right about that. I confused disinterested and uninterested. Everything else, you are wrong :wink:
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Re: Dan should not continue as MODERATOR

Postby Aussenseite » Wed Jul 29, 2015 10:50 pm

Arcturus Descending wrote:I don't think that a moderator should voice his opinions - I mean his personal opinions, beliefs, idealogies about what is being said, about the subject matter. He is there ONLY to moderate.

BUT of course the moderator needs to be INVOLVED insofar as the turn in which the thread is being taken, I mean about ad homs, civility, et cetera and bring it back to normalcy - not allowing the lunacy.

He might be really interested but what I mean by "disinterested" is not taking part in it. Look up "disinterest".

I would always prefer a moderator to be knowledgeable and opinioned about the subjects taking place in the forums he/she moderates. The reason being is that he/she would be better able to tell what bits were bullshit or ad homs, and he'd be very interested in keeping the crazy down to a minimum so that the discussion could progress and not have to be eventually flushed because it was weighed down by too many idiots.

I've seen far too many moderators who didn't care about the sections they moderate just generally ignoring forums or not caring or even worse, ones that were completely ignorant of the subject matter try to navigate the discussion and have absolutely no clue.
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Re: Dan should not continue as MODERATOR

Postby Mr Reasonable » Wed Jul 29, 2015 10:52 pm

Man, Arb...I can't express how much I'm looking forward to you becoming more educated. You're just so full of fight. Didn't you say in some other thread that you're a freshman in college? Dude in a few years you'll be all grown up and you wont seem so silly. I can't wait.
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Re: Dan should not continue as MODERATOR

Postby AutSider » Thu Jul 30, 2015 7:31 am

mr reasonable wrote:Man, Arb...I can't express how much I'm looking forward to you becoming more educated. You're just so full of fight. Didn't you say in some other thread that you're a freshman in college? Dude in a few years you'll be all grown up and you wont seem so silly. I can't wait.


Yes, such great education I'm receiving, from a professor who thinks differences between races are only skin-deep, and that all races have equal intellectual potentials. But I guess I am just too young and stupid to realize that.

If I were old, then I would be a conservative old retard from a time long gone, if I were middle-aged, then I would simply be having a middle-aged crisis... must find a way to discredit my person, somehow, so as to avoid addressing what I say. First rule of philosophy. Or was it the reverse, and one should address what is said instead of attacking the person?
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