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Postby James S Saint » Sun Nov 09, 2014 10:47 pm

In onland law, this is a silly question that is addressed in many ways. But online law is a bit different.

A man publishes a web blog advertising his full name and a theme of which he is apparently proud. He then becomes a member on this and other forums wherein he uses the same first name and for years proselytizes his theme. How often he has linked to his own blog site is unknown, but would be expected to be reasonably high.

After years, he chooses that one particular man is "an enemy" to be attacked. In that vein, he starts a threat on this forum as a platform for his attack. For a short while, he actually addresses something relating to philosophy, but very quickly it becomes nothing but conspicuous personal attacks, such as "you are the greatest of all liars" and "the epitome of evil", providing no sort of philosophically related evidence whatsoever for the accusations. Such ranting goes on for pages.

Eventually at one point, the person being attacked mentions that blog of the attacker wherein his full name is advertised, revealing the attacker's full name. This is then promoted by the attacker (and his cohorts) as a "threat to privacy", even though accessible to anyone who has bothered to merely look up the theme involved in the attacker's years of preaching.

Due only to the reaction, one can assume that the attacker wanted to hide something that he had already revealed himself or perhaps merely wanted to inspire the "poor victim" response from authorities. In either case, it would appear that mischievousness is what is at hand. But in either case, the question arises as to whether linking to an obsessive attacker's published works is in fact an inappropriate response to an attack, personal or otherwise.

The thread involved, although now edited by moderators, is this, most notably the last couple of pages. It has been proposed that such an "offense" is certainly a ban-able offense, even worse than the actual, very real death threats given on other threads and forgiven.


There appears to be a huge, huge inconsistency in moderating that has caused serious damage to this site. This appears to be another of those polarizing, "Us vs Them/Him" reactions from moderators who have no standard to which members can willingly conform and thus threaten banning to anyone whispered as "a bad guy" while totally ignoring and forgiving extreme violation to normative civil standards and published "rules of behavior" for presumed "friends" - a totally political, non-philosophical issue.

Thus it seems that site-admin preferences concerning banning due to unreasonable violations would be in order for this site to have anything at all to do with philosophy rather than merely political bigotry and propagandizing.
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Re: Public Information?

Postby Kriswest » Mon Nov 10, 2014 12:44 am

Well, I figure if you let folks know your name in any way, then its on you. I saw no threat. I just saw testosterone flying per usual.
Children fight, I saw childish crap from all involved not just James. I did not see threat.
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Re: Public Information?

Postby James S Saint » Mon Nov 10, 2014 12:50 am

Kriswest wrote:Well, I figure if you let folks know your name in any way, then its on you. I saw no threat. I just saw testosterone flying per usual.
Children fight, I saw childish crap from all involved not just James. I did not see threat.

Well, the silly thing is that I left it open for him to not confirm that such was his real name if he wanted. He chose to make it into a martyr issue on his own (I didn't at first provide his public announcement of it. And no telling how many people were already aware of it). The issue is one of the moderators being able to see such things and act accordingly.
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From THIS age of sleep, Homo-sapien shall never awake.

The Wise gather together to help one another in EVERY aspect of living.

You are always more insecure than you think, just not by what you think.
The only absolute certainty is formed by the absolute lack of alternatives.
It is not merely "do what works", but "to accomplish what purpose in what time frame at what cost".
As long as the authority is secretive, the population will be subjugated.

Amid the lack of certainty, put faith in the wiser to believe.
Devil's Motto: Make it look good, safe, innocent, and wise.. until it is too late to choose otherwise.

The Real God ≡ The reason/cause for the Universe being what it is = "The situation cannot be what it is and also remain as it is".
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Re: Public Information?

Postby Kriswest » Mon Nov 10, 2014 1:46 am

James, you are a button pusher of psychology.
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Re: Public Information?

Postby Carleas » Mon Nov 10, 2014 3:50 am

James, every time you cross the line, you play martyr. When you bring a person's real-life identity into an online discussion of philosophy, you are making an ad hominem argument, or seeks to silence your interlocutor through intimidation. In the best case, you are simply saying something that isn't relevant. These aren't proper arguments, they aren't the tools of proper philosophy, they're disruptive to discussions. They're the kind of thing that gets a warning.

This kind of thing (exposing a person's real-life identity on ILP) has only come up recently, but it's come up several times in the past few months and when we've been aware of it we've always reacted the same way.
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Re: Public Information?

Postby James S Saint » Mon Nov 10, 2014 5:23 am

Carleas wrote:James, every time you cross the line, you play martyr.

Which is exactly what my opponent did throughout that exchange.

Carleas wrote: When you bring a person's real-life identity into an online discussion of philosophy

Which he had done himself (in any onland court of law).

Carleas wrote:, you are making an ad hominem argument, or seeks to silence your interlocutor through intimidation.
Which is 100% of everything that had been going on earlier in that thread and in a great many others.

Carleas wrote:In the best case, you are simply saying something that isn't relevant. These aren't proper arguments, they aren't the tools of proper philosophy, they're disruptive to discussions.

As I had explained to them in that same thread.

Carleas wrote:They're the kind of thing that gets a warning.

But only if done by the "Unchosen", it seems, totally ignoring the obvious evidence.

Carleas wrote:This kind of thing (exposing a person's real-life identity on ILP) has only come up recently, but it's come up several times in the past few months and when we've been aware of it we've always reacted the same way.

It is an old issue in onland reality. If a person publishes some idea or their personal identity, especially noted as a public figure either in entertainment or politics, they automatically give up all rights to privacy concerning those details. How else could it be? Everyone can't figure out who wants to keep which public information that they have chosen to publish to be private versus public.

He chose to publish his name.
He chose to confirm that it was his real name.
He chose to blame-shift someone for revealing that it was his name, although never implying that he didn't want it known.


And now you really choose to support such intentional and obvious maliciousness?


What you are now directly implying is that this site has absolutely nothing at all to do with any philosophy, but is entirely and solely the promotion of whatever bigotry happens to be predominate at the time.

Have you any reasoning that implies otherwise? Or do you even care?
Of all of the posts in that thread, which ones actually involved any kind of philosophy?
Clarify, Verify, Instill, and Reinforce the Perception of Hopes and Threats unto Anentropic Harmony :)
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From THIS age of sleep, Homo-sapien shall never awake.

The Wise gather together to help one another in EVERY aspect of living.

You are always more insecure than you think, just not by what you think.
The only absolute certainty is formed by the absolute lack of alternatives.
It is not merely "do what works", but "to accomplish what purpose in what time frame at what cost".
As long as the authority is secretive, the population will be subjugated.

Amid the lack of certainty, put faith in the wiser to believe.
Devil's Motto: Make it look good, safe, innocent, and wise.. until it is too late to choose otherwise.

The Real God ≡ The reason/cause for the Universe being what it is = "The situation cannot be what it is and also remain as it is".
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Re: Public Information?

Postby Jakob » Mon Nov 10, 2014 10:17 am

Evil motherfucking liar.

James is psychopathic troll who has done everything in three years to get me to destroy myself.

I have NEVER linked to that blog. That blog was put together in a week three years ago and I never visited it since.
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Re: Public Information?

Postby Mithus » Mon Nov 10, 2014 12:44 pm

@ Jakob aka Fixed Cross,

How would you call somebody who is posting here since four years with two different usernames, one supporting "the other"?
How would you call somebody who is - in a way which implies that he isn't quite the master of his senses at that time - accusing people frequently of being crack-addicts?
And how would you call somebody who arranged such a shitstorm as you did, only because somebody challenged his pride?
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Re: Public Information?

Postby Kriswest » Mon Nov 10, 2014 12:56 pm

Jakob, You confirmed your name, how is that a lie? If you did not create a link somehow then how could he know it? All you had to do was ignore your name. Instead you chose to confirm. And your post about James trying to get you to destroy yourself says more about you than it does about him. James did not behave with positive decorum but, neither have you. Childish behavior is what has been going on. You could have at anytime in 3 years ignored him.
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Re: Public Information?

Postby Jakob » Mon Nov 10, 2014 1:23 pm

DID ANYONE NOTICE IN WHAT CAPACITY JAMES CHOSE TO REVEAL MY NAME??

MORONS!

How the fuck can you not see the intent behind it? How can you convince yourself that this was not a deliberate act of malice?

If you did not create a link somehow then how could he know it?


You can not be serious.

ignore.

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I can scarcely imagine your conniving little mind manages to convince itself. I can imagine you "verkneukelend" over your deceit, in the expectation that people will fall for it. A chance to beat on Fixed Cross! We can not let that lie. I suppose you crawled from under one of the rocks at KTS.

ignore.


I will have to get more realistic about the amount of people here who are strictly vulture. I'll try a new tactic and add everyone who I catch making a point of lying to my foe list.
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Re: Public Information?

Postby phyllo » Mon Nov 10, 2014 3:55 pm

Kriswest wrote:Well, I figure if you let folks know your name in any way, then its on you. I saw no threat. I just saw testosterone flying per usual.
Children fight, I saw childish crap from all involved not just James. I did not see threat.

Another ILP thread that becomes a dogfight.

The moderators have to keep an eye on certain posters who have caused problems in the past. They have to skim threads and intervene before a thread goes completely out of control.
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Re: Public Information?

Postby Jakob » Mon Nov 10, 2014 4:29 pm

Here's a sample of the sort of replies I gave in that thread.

I m sure I do not understand the problem you are having with this. I'll make mention of the obvious, beyond that you'll have to tell me where the problem is.

The meter is a largely arbitrary, standardized unit of length. The second is the slightly less arbitrary standardized unit of duration, based on calculating with 360 degrees and using the rotation of the Earth as standard.
There exists or is required no claim that the two standards are naturally or inherently related, except by the relation of what they standardize; length and duration, aspects of space and time.
Their relation is made, by using the formulation "meter per second'', that is, given a body moving with a consistent speed relative to an observer, the amount of standardized unit of lengths that it travels in a standardized unit of time.

All this is strictly functional, not related to natural principle or necessity. There is no claim that m/s is a principle of nature.
The relation of meters to seconds has been related to principle purely and only due to the quality of light, whereby the arbitrary unit "meters per second'' of the non-arbitrary concept ''motion" is related to the arbitrary unit joule of the non-arbitrary concept "effort".

The non arbitrary concepts are related to each other naturally; effort is related to motion.
The arbitrariness of the relation of their chosen units is expressed by the figure 299 792 458.




It does matter if you want to come up with a measurement. It needs to compare to observation to apply. Therefore we have meters and seconds; not to replace observations, but to record them and compare one observation to another.

The given that science works with is very simple, more simple even than "A=A" or "existence is affectance"; the given is that one is alive and experiences the presence and activity of the world. From this given, concepts (such as "rock" or "tree" or "bird" or "water" but also "large" and "small") are brought about in the mind, and in this way the mind is shaped.

Then there is another point. To set limits to size ("smallest possible") one needs more information than nature provides. It might be possible to say "smallest possible" but it does not mean that such a conception reflects tangible reality.

Science uses logically constructed models in concert with models brought about by measurement. In all cases that I know of the logical models were based on a large set of observations in terms of length, duration, effort, etc; what was controlled in the mind, rather than the thing that was observed, was mans perspective on it.

Man must manipulate the relation between memory and direct experience in order to create mathematical operations. This "logic" is very different from the "logic" whereby animals and solar systems and atoms and molecules operate. What was observed became an abstract model when man related several different elements of observation to each other as if they were separate.

Of course length and pace are related in every real instance. But by separating the two concepts, we can compare instances to each other.
Do you agree that this capacity is the principal merit of science?



Then this lie or deceptive suggestion followed:


JSS wrote:If you argue that a meter is merely a mental invention and thus irrelevant, explaining that light travels as so many meters per second would be pointless. There isn't any point in giving the explanation if you can't follow or have objection to the defined initial terms.


This is very oobviosuly only intended to sabotage and confuse -- James is nowhere near as stupid as to seriously conclude this from what I wrote.
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Re: Public Information?

Postby Jakob » Mon Nov 10, 2014 4:43 pm

Kris has never followed any of these discussions in science and technology, that is more than obvious -- she comes running in at the momnent she smells fire, and starts to point fingers and adopt her spinleless holier than thou tactics.

Many of you may not realize this about philosophy, or about science -- it has consequences.
It is one thing for you to not take yourself the least bit serious -- another to conclude that nothing can be serious, and that all anger is just sensationalism or testosterone.

I also realize that those who have nothing to offer are quick to take offense in any pride a thinker has in his work. Such type of audience wishes only to see failure, evidently, as that is the only thing that can be of worth to it -- any accomplishment or gift to mankind is an offense to the ones who would prefer to see man plummet back to the ape-kingdom, where they might have a chance at something.
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Re: Public Information?

Postby Kriswest » Mon Nov 10, 2014 5:04 pm

Now to follow a discussion one has to post? Did I condemn just you? Is that what you read?
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Re: Public Information?

Postby Kriswest » Mon Nov 10, 2014 5:13 pm

phyllo wrote:
Kriswest wrote:Well, I figure if you let folks know your name in any way, then its on you. I saw no threat. I just saw testosterone flying per usual.
Children fight, I saw childish crap from all involved not just James. I did not see threat.

Another ILP thread that becomes a dogfight.

The moderators have to keep an eye on certain posters who have caused problems in the past. They have to skim threads and intervene before a thread goes completely out of control.

I know, I have moderated in the past. I have also stopped moderating due to mods not being neutral. A one or two time criminal is not always habitual, yet, when treated as a present criminal, the human mind will often give up and become what they are chronically accused of.
Moderators are human and just as prejudice as anyone. There is no training just general rules and forms. I can be as bad and knowing this is another reason I quit.
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Re: Public Information?

Postby Mithus » Mon Nov 10, 2014 5:54 pm

Jakob wrote:Mithus -
I can scarcely imagine your conniving little mind manages to convince itself. I can imagine you "verkneukelend" over your deceit, in the expectation that people will fall for it. A chance to beat on Fixed Cross! We can not let that lie. I suppose you crawled from under one of the rocks at KTS.
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Don't get paranoid.
I'm not interested in you, neither as Fixed Cross, nor as Jakob.
Get some help.
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Re: Public Information?

Postby James S Saint » Mon Nov 10, 2014 7:18 pm

Jakob wrote:Evil motherfucking liar.

James is psychopathic troll who has done everything in three years to get me to destroy myself.

I have NEVER linked to that blog. That blog was put together in a week three years ago and I never visited it since.

..and did I mention a bit delusionally paranoid as of late.


It is not up to Carleas, moderators, me, Jakob, or anyone else as to whether his name is private information. It is not. And it is not because he proudly published it. If he later decides that he doesn't want anyone to know it, he must find a means to inform everyone to make a secret out of it.

There has been no breach of privacy. If that was my interest, I have much much more potentially condemning information than merely his name. He published his name himself. He now deludes himself into me being on an insidious mission for years to destroy him. He destroyed himself over the past year or so with the help of his "friends".

He now contrives what he calls my deceptions. But look at the huge and relevant chuck he left out of the quote that he just used in such an effort. Who is really attempting to deceive whom.
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Jakob wrote:I m sure I do not understand the problem you are having with this. I'll make mention of the obvious, beyond that you'll have to tell me where the problem is.

The meter is a largely arbitrary, standardized unit of length. The second is the slightly less arbitrary standardized unit of duration, based on calculating with 360 degrees and using the rotation of the Earth as standard.
There exists or is required no claim that the two standards are naturally or inherently related, except by the relation of what they standardize; length and duration, aspects of space and time.
Their relation is made, by using the formulation "meter per second'', that is, given a body moving with a consistent speed relative to an observer, the amount of standardized unit of lengths that it travels in a standardized unit of time.

All this is strictly functional, not related to natural principle or necessity. There is no claim that m/s is a principle of nature.
The relation of meters to seconds has been related to principle purely and only due to the quality of light, whereby the arbitrary unit "meters per second'' of the non-arbitrary concept ''motion" is related to the arbitrary unit joule of the non-arbitrary concept "effort".

The non arbitrary concepts are related to each other naturally; effort is related to motion.
The arbitrariness of the relation of their chosen units is expressed by the figure 299 792 458.

I didn't say that such was "a problem". I just needed your confirmation that such units of measure are arbitrarily chosen even though in the long run begin to define real physical existence. Their result was the truth that light travels at 299 792 458 m/s in a perfect vacuum (even though a perfect vacuum can never exist).

RM proposes that exact same process of arbitrarily choosing the constituents of understanding, an ontology, with the intent of eventually being able to more precisely express reality in the form of "truth". Many groups of concepts may be used to form many ontologies, each equally as true as another as long as they each do it right.

RM:AO is an ontology concerned with affect and thus the speed of affect becomes relevant. It inadvertently turned out that the speed of light in a perfect vacuum is directly related to the speed of affect in a perfect vacuum. But it all begins with somewhat arbitrarily chosen standards of measure, although my standard units were not entirely arbitrarily chosen.


James S Saint wrote:The speed of Affect, is a logical derivation lacking any alternative regardless of what anyone measures and in Science is called "the speed of light in a (total) vacuum", even though a truly total vacuum can't really exist. The actual maximum speed of light in a total vacuum can never be measured, only derived. But there is a different kind of speed involving the mind that can be faster than light.

The mind defines objects and can do so such as to conclude that the object in question is actually moving faster than light. I ran across that problem when I emulated RM:AO, as my PC kept detecting particles moving faster than affect/light. I eventually discovered that it was reporting particles as a clump of noise, just as I had told it to do. But the center of the clump was moving faster than any of the affects that made it up. This turned out to be interesting, but not really of much value. What it amounted to was the speed of something depends on how you define that something.

The speed of simple affect is a similar derivation to that involving why the universe exists in the first place. It involves the powers of infinity and infinitesimals and is as follows:

The Speed of Affect/Light
The smallest distance possible is 1/(the Largest distance possible, or "Largest number possible") ≡ "Smallest".
The shortest time possible is also 1/(the greatest change rate possible, or "Largest number possible") ≡ "Smallest".
The largest distance possible is simply the Largest number possible ≡ "Largest".

The fastest speed is the Largest Distance / Smallest Time, which is not possible because that is a number larger than the largest possible number.

So the fastest speed possible can only be expressed as either;
1/Smallest = Largest, or
Largest/1 = Largest.

Affect propagates by affecting the next closest point (Smallest distance) in the shortest possible time (Smallest time). Or the velocity (v) going from point A to the next point B is;
v = d/t, or
v = Smallest / Smallest = 1, because they are the exact same power and magnitude of infinitesimal. And that is a finite number even though derived by infinite numbers. The finite is derived by the infinite.

And 1 infinitesimal, I refer to as "0+", is
0+ = Smallest * (Largest / infinity) = (Smallest*Largest) / infinity = 1/infinity

Before I continue, do you understand that in that quote, I was merely setting up "not-entirely" arbitrary units of measure called "Largest" and "Smallest" based upon the logically possible? At this point, it doesn't matter what physical distance or time those units might represent.


I have not crossed any privacy line nor written rule. This is strictly an issue of the sanity in governing and/or moderating and their selective willingness to be lured into preemptive condemnation. This is the only question:
James S Saint wrote:whether linking to an obsessive attacker's published works is in fact an inappropriate response to an attack, personal or otherwise.
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From THIS age of sleep, Homo-sapien shall never awake.

The Wise gather together to help one another in EVERY aspect of living.

You are always more insecure than you think, just not by what you think.
The only absolute certainty is formed by the absolute lack of alternatives.
It is not merely "do what works", but "to accomplish what purpose in what time frame at what cost".
As long as the authority is secretive, the population will be subjugated.

Amid the lack of certainty, put faith in the wiser to believe.
Devil's Motto: Make it look good, safe, innocent, and wise.. until it is too late to choose otherwise.

The Real God ≡ The reason/cause for the Universe being what it is = "The situation cannot be what it is and also remain as it is".
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Re: Public Information?

Postby Wizard » Mon Nov 10, 2014 7:26 pm

Jakob, how can you seriously blame James, of all people???
phyllo wrote:Before the internet, there were these things called books. There were special buildings full of them.

James S Saint wrote:It is the mostly blind builders struggling against the entirely blind destroyers in an effort to find the light.
"The light is here"
"No it isn't"
"The light is there"
"I don't see it"
"The light exists"
"No it doesn't"

... on and on ...
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Re: Public Information?

Postby AutSider » Mon Nov 10, 2014 11:55 pm

And to think that I once held that JSS would be fit for a moderator :shock:

This is why I'm afraid to vote in politics. I always try to see the best in people. Translation? I'm naive and can be easily fooled.

Making ad hominem attacks usually indicates either 1) You're uninterested in serious discussion and/or 2) You're incompetent and try to hide it behind insults, having no real argument.

There's a reason why it's shunned in academic circles.
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Re: Public Information?

Postby Jakob » Tue Nov 11, 2014 1:03 am

Wiz - if you don't get that from what is public record, then there is only one way to find out; engage him and study his RM together with him for as long and intensely as I have. That is roughly 3 and a half years covering in detail the fields of logic, physics, chemistry, biology, psychology, sociology, politics, economics, law and philosophy.

I can not say I have learned nothing from him! But more often than with anyone else who is deeply intelligent, what he taught me is quite opposite to what I finally concluded.
My attitude towards him started changing after I had understood his Stopped Clock Paradox. Or if he claims I have not understood it, after being able to solve it in a way that made sense to me.

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Why did my attitude begin to change then? I was only aware of a vague disappointment at the time. Now I see I had lost the confidence that RM represents power.
I was able to disprove Relativity by arriving at the necessary existence of a neutral reference frame from the premises of RM. Bt it did not feel like a victory. Existence had lost its mystery and all the powers that we have as mankind were invalidated. It did not matter to James that Relativity works; there was an error to it he said, and this is how we solve it;

In the years before I dared to engage, I read all the Sopped CLock Paradox I could find on ILP and the rest of the internet. The oldest one on this board doesn't come up in a google search, it involves people with actual scientific schooling; people I used to distrust in the time I was friends with James. I now see that I have been duped; so also with the thread about the island and the eyes, where phyllo, Silhouette, FJ and Carleas gave James a run for his money but to no avail. Their arguments weren't good enough - to my eyes. They were formal arguments; James' arguments are always practical. I liked that. But there is a strange twilight zone between formality and certainty in which practicality turned out to not be the ultimate answer.

James leads you into the dark and promises you he'll light a torch at one point. Me he promised that I would be the torch. He had seen my 'cardinal sin; -
But he had missed that I had already set myself alight and was wandering happily around in search of faces to illuminate. He was one of them. He chose to be my teacher - great! Nothing more interesting, at least online, than a man of thought and experience who freely spends his wisdom. So I started to learn.

After a while I began to notice that the main point he'd make about VO is that it is valid in so far as it corresponds to RM, and that it would be earth shattering once it did so completely. But the problem has always been that the assertion of Affectance as a universal nature is equally problematic as the premise of Will to Power as one. The WtP is more accurate, but it is still inadequate in describing actual entities.
This has always been the cause of the war: what is entity? Implied; what are we? Some go so far as to eliminate entity all the way out of the equation. You must follow your instincts on this one.
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Re: Public Information?

Postby Mithus » Tue Nov 11, 2014 1:56 am

This all doesn't explain your anger.
You started the attack. So why?
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Re: Public Information?

Postby James S Saint » Tue Nov 11, 2014 9:46 am

Jakob wrote:James leads you into the dark and promises you he'll light a torch at one point. Me he promised that I would be the torch. He had seen my 'cardinal sin; -
But he had missed that I had already set myself alight and was wandering happily around in search of faces to illuminate. He was one of them. He chose to be my teacher - great! Nothing more interesting, at least online, than a man of thought and experience who freely spends his wisdom. So I started to learn.

Total 100% fantasy. The rest of that post is perhaps 90%. I have never made such promises to you or anyone else. And "chose to be my teacher"??? You ask questions. I give explanations, just as I do with pretty much anyone. The rest is just your story telling fantasy. I specifically told you to stop treating me like I am some kind of holy, all-knowing guru.

But this is actually the problem;
Fixed Cross wrote:James is by far the most advanced adversary I have ever chosen - and I am not sure where this will lead.

Jakob came here from his little nest looking for a personal fight with a chosen personal enemy. His "friends" have been trying to talk him into this from day one years ago. And he begins with accusations that he cannot even begin to support partially about RM but quickly turns to me;
1) "James is the greatest of all liars"
2) "James has been blatantly deceitful"
3) "James has been doing everything to try to destroy me for years".
4) "James has exposed sensitive personal information."

All but the last one were things that his "friends" have been trying to get him to believe literally since the first day we met. Each represent another "poor innocent, righteous me has been abused", even though there is zero evidence of it. But the last one is the only one relevant to this thread;
James S Saint wrote:whether linking to an obsessive attacker's published works is in fact an inappropriate response to an attack, personal or otherwise.


In addition, all of those are false personal attack accusations, not merely ad homs, but lies. There are written rules against such. Yet there is no moderator reaction to the violator, only to the one being violated. And most recently with strong threats.
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Re: Public Information?

Postby phyllo » Tue Nov 11, 2014 2:52 pm

James S Saint wrote :
Seriously?
After all this time, that's the best your little crew of girls could come up with?
I have seen more intellectually mature Jr High girls debating than you guys.

So you never did actually have anything to say that you hadn't just invented and now can't do anything but dodge and prance around.

- seriously pathetic, Mr. *.

Get used to that "Mr". As an old man, you aren't going to be a bit different than you are right now ... perhaps drool a little more.
This is the post where you used Jakob's surname? (which has now been replaced by '*'' by the moderators?)
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Re: Public Information?

Postby Ben JS » Tue Nov 11, 2014 4:23 pm

Jakob can't be trusted.

He constantly demonstrates his dishonesty.

He is corrupted by pride and vanity.

Personally, I'd welcome his absence.

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And as James said, it's rich that people can directly and repeatedly threaten another's life, and the mods don't bat an eyelid, yet when someone references something that already exists in the public domain, threats of banning immediately follow.

Mods must have a hard on for Jakob.
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Re: Public Information?

Postby phoneutria » Tue Nov 11, 2014 5:45 pm

Didn't read whole thread but as to this:

whether linking to an obsessive attacker's published works is in fact an inappropriate response to an attack, personal or otherwise.


The answer is a resounding no.
There are forums who might consider this a "real life infraction" and ban you, but only because forums are private and therefore free to set whatever rules they want to. Legally the person would have no recourse.
We discussed this in the "My KTS adventure thread" if you care to read.
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