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Re: Where did it go?

Postby Ecmandu » Thu Oct 11, 2018 10:54 pm

Personally, I think iambiguous is a psychopath.

There's a saying in psychology, "not every narcissist is a psychopath, but every psychopath is a narcissist"
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Re: Where did it go?

Postby barbarianhorde » Sat Oct 13, 2018 1:54 pm

Just a question if you know, is Abusive Narcissist Disorder the same as psychopathy?
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Re: Where did it go?

Postby Arcturus Descending » Sat Oct 13, 2018 4:51 pm

barbarianhorde wrote:Just a question if you know, is Abusive Narcissist Disorder the same as psychopathy?



If you mean a mental disorder, perhaps that would depend on someone's own perception.


https://mindcology.com/narcissist/so-wh ... tic-abuse/

I would say so. If it is a diagnosis and it is, I think that psychiatrists and psychologists would think of it as a mental disorder.


Antisocial Personality Disorder
Like individuals with NPD, men and women who are diagnosed with Antisocial Personality Disorder (APD) feel little or no empathy at all towards others. APD is defined by a disregard for morals and other’s rights and feelings. APD individuals lack the ability or will to differentiate between right and wrong. They are impulsive and occasionally violent; like individuals diagnosed with NPD, men and women with NPD believe that they are above the law and other rules/regulation. This often leads to criminal behavior and drug and alcohol abuse.


Comes close to sounding somewhat like a psychopath.

The worst kind of puppeteers. I call them vampires since they like to suck the very life's blood, spiritually and physically (in a sense) out of their victims.
The best thing to do is to RUN FROM THEM, just as fast and as far as one can.
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“Little Fly
Thy summers play,
My thoughtless hand
Has brush'd away.

Am not I
A fly like thee?
Or art not thou
A man like me?

For I dance
And drink & sing:
Till some blind hand
Shall brush my wing.

If thought is life
And strength & breath:
And the want
Of thought is death;

Then am I
A happy fly,
If I live,
Or if I die”
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Re: Where did it go?

Postby iambiguous » Wed Oct 17, 2018 7:03 pm

Karpel Tunnel wrote:
iambiguous wrote:I don't have any problem with that. I merely explore the extent to which it strikes me as a polemical bent [which I often pursue myself] or a hostility based on the assumption that they really do believe that, with respect to the existential juncture revolving around identity, value judgments and political power, my own argument is genuinely worthy of hostility.
Read this a couple of times: IT IS NOT YOUR ARGUMENT THAT IS WORTHY OR NOT OF HOSTILITY, IT IS YOUR BEHAVIOR THAT PISSSES ME OFF.


My behavior here is the same as yours. I create posts. I read and react to the posts of others.

Piling words in a particular order in order to explore the question, "how ought one to live"? More or less existentially.

I'm proposing one possible answer to that question and that revolves around my own rendition of moral nihilism. And this has always basically been what my behavior has been here.

Then you come back with stuff like this:

Karpel Tunnel wrote: I have made that clear time and again. How did I make this clear? By specifically referring to your behavior, in specfic examples, often quoted quite clearly which I then respond to. I do this in sequence in the thread where they happened. As concrete and clear as possible.


Words piled up in a particular order, true, but nowhere near as "concreate and clear" as I make the attempt myself here: viewtopic.php?f=1&t=194382

We just don't approach the question in the same way at all. Or, rather, it seems that way to me.

Indeed, you just give us more of the same:

Karpel Tunnel wrote: It means that you assume people get mad at you because of the philosophical questions you are asking and the philosophical position you present. It seems inconceivable to you that the things you do, here, the way you respond, that is, your behavior here, could be what pisses people off. Even when I specifically mention specific behavior here, you still write, even in this last post, you still assume that it has nothing to do with how you interact with people.

For someone yearning so hard to find out how one ought to live, it is ironic in the extreme that you cannot even conceive of the fact that HOW you interact might affect other people and piss them off.

And so, instead of noticing what I react to, as clearly laid out, you assume, again, we are afraid of your argument or whatever motivations you attribute to us, rather than actually reacting to the way you interact with us.

You keep telling me that I must have a contraption and that's why I don't react to non-ocbjectivism like you do.

You consistantly frame my reactions in objectivist language and viewpoints, as you do in this post.


I become the argument and you commense to huff and to puff to others about the manner in which I insist that arguments of this sort must be taken out into the world of actual conflicting goods construed from the perspective of "I" as an existential contraption.

Karpel Tunnel wrote: For example asking how I know my actions and preferences are more rational than other people's, when I have made it clear I don't think like that. And then when I point this out, you can't just admit you made a mistake lumping a request to me and Phyllo that really only could apply to Phyllo.


Again, you and I and Phyllo and any others interested in these fundamentally important human relationships, need to focus in on a particular context. Note the components of our own moral philosophies as we react to conflicting behaviors that revolve around conflicting goods that revolve around conflicting points of view.

After all, what in particular does it mean here to speak of arguments as being more or less rational? Or more or less virtuous?
He was like a man who wanted to change all; and could not; so burned with his impotence; and had only me, an infinitely small microcosm to convert or detest. John Fowles

Start here: viewtopic.php?f=1&t=176529
Then here: viewtopic.php?f=15&t=185296
And here: viewtopic.php?f=1&t=194382
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Re: Where did it go?

Postby Ecmandu » Thu Oct 18, 2018 1:49 am

iambiguous wrote:After all, what in particular does it mean here to speak of arguments as being more or less rational? Or more or less virtuous?


Alright, debate me then. You're trolling this stuff every second you choose not to debate me in the debate section.
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Re: Where did it go?

Postby MagsJ » Fri Oct 19, 2018 5:44 am

Ecmandu wrote:
iambiguous wrote:After all, what in particular does it mean here to speak of arguments as being more or less rational? Or more or less virtuous?

Alright, debate me then. You're trolling this stuff every second you choose not to debate me in the debate section.

Well that's one way to get him to debate you, but citing trolling to get him to is a misuse of the word, and therefore slanderous.
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Re: Where did it go?

Postby Ecmandu » Fri Oct 19, 2018 3:29 pm

MagsJ wrote:
Ecmandu wrote:
iambiguous wrote:After all, what in particular does it mean here to speak of arguments as being more or less rational? Or more or less virtuous?

Alright, debate me then. You're trolling this stuff every second you choose not to debate me in the debate section.

Well that's one way to get him to debate you, but citing trolling to get him to is a misuse of the word, and therefore slanderous.


Actually it's not , he is being slanderous by saying that nobody on these boards is arguing the meaning of saying something is more or less virtuous, when he damn well knows that I do it in all my replies to him. That's also called trolling. He knows for a fact that he's lying, he's doing it to incite, just like he does with his winks and dancing bananas every time I make an argument he can't refute, which is also used to incite. He is by the most serious definition ... trolling, not interested in rational discourse
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Re: Where did it go?

Postby Ecmandu » Fri Oct 19, 2018 3:51 pm

Ecmandu wrote:
iambiguous wrote:After all, what in particular does it mean here to speak of arguments as being more or less rational? Or more or less virtuous?


Alright, debate me then. You're trolling this stuff every second you choose not to debate me in the debate section.


Read his quote, I gave the meaning... he knows if I win the debate (and he knows that I will win it), that he has no rational reason to continue his posting history from then on in a way that he's comfortable getting lots of attention for.

He just winked at me (psychopathic behavior), not rational discourse

Read above post as well.
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Re: Where did it go?

Postby lordoflight » Fri Oct 19, 2018 5:16 pm

I have a soft spot for Christians. Anyway naturally kids who believe in fairy tales are going to be bullied by the stronger kids of the playground. Its just natural.

I would have no problem with Christians if they were just some kind of crazy minority. The problem I have is when they don't separate Church and State, and try to legisLate. I have no problem with churches, I just have problem with churches telling me what to do by using police pig proxies. I think most of the people who attack Christians mainly feel resentful and oppressed by the pig proxies. So attacking Christians online is more of a defensive maneuver.
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Re: Where did it go?

Postby lordoflight » Fri Oct 19, 2018 5:24 pm

Ecmandu wrote:Personally, I think iambiguous is a psychopath.

There's a saying in psychology, "not every narcissist is a psychopath, but every psychopath is a narcissist"


We both know what he is. His narcissism is beyond even narcissist's levels. Because noone would in their right mind would bump their own topic to the point of 640 pages and no replies. A regular narcissist would give up bumping their own topic and try to find validation some other way. But if he's happy at least let him be. I don't really think iambiguous deserves to suffer or have a bad life. If he is a happy person, I say just let him be and let sleeping dogs lie. You know he will never admit losing in a debate.
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Re: Where did it go?

Postby lordoflight » Fri Oct 19, 2018 5:29 pm

Arcturus Descending wrote:Comes close to sounding somewhat like a psychopath.

The worst kind of puppeteers. I call them vampires since they like to suck the very life's blood, spiritually and physically (in a sense) out of their victims.
The best thing to do is to RUN FROM THEM, just as fast and as far as one can.


I would say your description is more closely fitting of modern females than it is of Anti-Social Personality Disorder. Anti-socialism is usually a male thing anyway. Anti-social people can barely tolerate people long enough to even use them as puppets. Using people as puppets is the female skillset, a woman's job. As much as I would love to run from the toxic women who proliferate our society, my loins do not permit me to run from the cure.
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Re: Where did it go?

Postby iambiguous » Fri Oct 19, 2018 6:48 pm

MagsJ wrote:
Ecmandu wrote:
iambiguous wrote:After all, what in particular does it mean here to speak of arguments as being more or less rational? Or more or less virtuous?

Alright, debate me then. You're trolling this stuff every second you choose not to debate me in the debate section.

Well that's one way to get him to debate you, but citing trolling to get him to is a misuse of the word, and therefore slanderous.


From my frame of mind, he is just one of the many, many Kids that pop up here over and again.

You know, whatever that means.

But for the life of me, I'm unable to decide if the stuff that he posts here reflect things that he really does believe are true, or if the whole effort is just an exercise in irony: a device used to expose as gibberish the sort of things that other Kids post here.

Or, sure, maybe his points are brilliant. And the problem here is my inability to grasp this.

And, indeed, anyone here able to convey to me why the points that he raises might in fact be just the antidote I'm looking for in order to yank myself up out of my hole...I'm all ears.

Otherwise I'll continue to react to him as this weird guy who says a lot of strange things that I for one am not able to relate to the world of actual flesh and blood human interactions.

But, by all means, that's just me. Others here seem able to actually engage his posts as though he was not that sort at all. In other words, they take him seriously. I'm just not able to.

Yet.
He was like a man who wanted to change all; and could not; so burned with his impotence; and had only me, an infinitely small microcosm to convert or detest. John Fowles

Start here: viewtopic.php?f=1&t=176529
Then here: viewtopic.php?f=15&t=185296
And here: viewtopic.php?f=1&t=194382
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Re: Where did it go?

Postby iambiguous » Fri Oct 19, 2018 6:48 pm

duplicate post. although it did bear repeating perhaps.
He was like a man who wanted to change all; and could not; so burned with his impotence; and had only me, an infinitely small microcosm to convert or detest. John Fowles

Start here: viewtopic.php?f=1&t=176529
Then here: viewtopic.php?f=15&t=185296
And here: viewtopic.php?f=1&t=194382
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Re: Where did it go?

Postby Ecmandu » Fri Oct 19, 2018 8:12 pm

MagsJ,

QED, look how iambiguous treats me!

That's his response to this:

viewtopic.php?p=2710288#p2710288

Iambiguous is trying to play dumb here, he knows EXACTLY what my post there means...!!!
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