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Re: Gnosis and Eleusis

Postby promethean75 » Sun Jan 26, 2020 9:53 pm

Do you aim to witness my godlike abs as well?


omg dude. the only reason those abs are jumping out like that is because you've got like zero body-fat. everybody's got abs like that, bro. but you can't see em because THEY EAT. if i wasn't such a fat sonofabitch myself my abs would be like 'YO!'
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Re: Gnosis and Eleusis

Postby Parodites » Fri Feb 07, 2020 11:20 pm

" no no, what i mean by 'phenomenological' is that a close examination of the 'what-it-is-like-ness' of experience would significantly change the conclusions you might make regarding the importance of this gnostic crap when considering the idea of the 'eternal return'. the very notion of there being a series of gradations - levels you ascend to each time you achieve some kind of philosophical insight - and that the nature of experience, at each instance it occurs, might be qualitatively different - depending on what philosophical knowledge was gained during the last time - is missing the facts about the nature and structure of experience. there is only the NOW, and each now is structured in the same way as any other. "

Yes, I know that is what you mean. That is what phenomenology is; the hypothesis of a certain pre-existing structure of experience in pre-reflection, on which basis a grounded study of experience in general, that is, in its apparent multiplicity, might be conducted. That reducibility [I would add: all reductionism is to be avoided. A philosophy that makes no space for the new- that does not preserve the category of the Negative and attempts to, like Hegel, "negate the negation" and convert negativity into positive knowledge,- is unworthy of the AGON and bears nothing of AGLAIA.] and that omnipresent, homogeneous "now" is abhorrent to me, viscerally: but also intellectually. I believe that school of philosophy is yet another head of the Hydra- a perverted search for Utopia and a pre-existing unity (the structure of experience, which you rightly mention as being fundamental to phenomenological study) buried by 'the awful racialist hetero-normative' reflective cognition and the distorting lens of a historical-form, be that form a racial identity, a national identity, a gender identity, etc. (Such historical-forms would be merely artificial distortions and falsifications of the reducible NOW, which for phenomenology would mean the pre-existing structure of experience to which all experience can be reduced. Yes, that is a decadent philosophy from my perspective- but more importantly, wrong. Thus my politics and ethological nationalism touch upon even my metaphysics, for a historical-form like a national identity is, in my philosophy, irreducible to any pre-existing structure or NOW and actually serves as what Schelling calls an ectype- a metaphysical attractor and point of nucleation,- a generator for new ideas,- for philosophy, around which the materials needed for the emergence of a genuine, that is- a novel form of life, are gathered. One of the many goals of my new way of philosophizing, would be to intentionally produce these ectypes and ground novel forms of life in them: we aim to enlarge and deepen the idea of 'life' itself.) I am simply starting that I have abandoned (overcome; transcended) that entire premise and respective mode of thought. I state this explicitly in the following text:

"In the case of both Marx and Heidegger, we find the same neo-romantic search for pre-reflective unity,- for a lost utopia in which the difference of epoch, race, state, and identity is reduced merely to, in Dugin’s words, “pre-concepts and concepts”. Where Hegel constructed a grand schema,- (univocal metaphysics) grand in terms both of its fastidity and its inspired folly,- with which to convert philosophical negativity into affirmative knowledge, these two later thinkers go about the task by simply proclaiming such knowledge to exist imaginatively, that is, as a matter of intuition,- proposing a pre-existing structure of the imagination, be it called Dasein or species-essence; a structure preceding the individual and all formation of class, race, etc. Marx proclaims man to be alienated from his own essence due to the dehumanizing influence of industrialization, and still further, that this process of industrialization is internalized through the class-struggle (as false consciousness) in such a way as to produce from the species-essence, now buried in unconsciousness, exactly the kind of assembled creature or artifice that man, while at work in the factory line upon his artifices, has himself become, while for Heidegger, it is similarly a limitation of Ousia’s Horizon of Meaning that is at issue, and the metaphysical distortion of a lost essence,- of, in the later case, Dasein. In place of these ideas, we must put off the search for a pre-reflective unity with the subject, and enounce Being in its unabsorbed negativity. " (Negativity, ie. gnosis.)
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Re: Gnosis and Eleusis

Postby Parodites » Fri Feb 07, 2020 11:47 pm

promethean75 wrote:
Do you aim to witness my godlike abs as well?


omg dude. the only reason those abs are jumping out like that is because you've got like zero body-fat. everybody's got abs like that, bro. but you can't see em because THEY EAT. if i wasn't such a fat sonofabitch myself my abs would be like 'YO!'


I don't want to distract from my on-topic post above this one, but: Haha, are you serious? Yeah, that's the idea. My diet is protein shakes, vitamins, and lettuce to make myself feel full and dissuade me from eating between meals; then I exercise for a couple hours in my cave-room until I feel like I'm about to vomit, every day. However diet and exercise are only two of the three factors: if you do not have the right genetics, which dictate how exactly your body stores and distributes fat, no amount of diet or exercise will give you the full ten-pack effect, those lower 4 which aren't even technically abs, you just have to have the genetics to make them visible. I can see/feel individual muscle fibers at this point. Is it healthy? Well I smoke three packs of cigarettes a day so that's obviously not what I'm going for. I simply like the aesthetics of hyper-toned-ness.
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Re: Gnosis and Eleusis

Postby MagsJ » Sat Feb 08, 2020 2:20 pm

Parodites wrote:I simply like the aesthetics of hyper-toned-ness.

Same here, funnily enough.. but minus the eating and smoking habits and hours of exercising every day. I guess if you don’t get out or move much, then long workouts will compensate for that.


In regard to the op: I am very new to the notion of agnosticism.. having only read-up on it in recent months.. here at ILP, and if applied to myself, I would deem myself an Ignostic buddhist.. as should all who follow the practice imo, as it was never meant to be a religion, and that it is, is of great annoyance to me.

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has/holds meaning for the Practitioner.. the Dharma.. the most beautiful thing I ever did see, in my mind’s eye, exactly like that, without knowing what it was (back then) until a week or so ago. As parts of it swirled and rotated outwards and then back in or shooting off and upwards, I could not have been any more scared, but I don’t know why such a fear of such a beautiful thing had gripped me so.

I also came across this interesting chart, on my journey in search of answers, to phenomena that I just can’t explain, but now understand.

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Re: Gnosis and Eleusis

Postby promethean75 » Sat Feb 08, 2020 3:29 pm

Not only is my mind superior to yours, but soon my abs will be too.

I'm comin' for ya, Parodites
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Re: Gnosis and Eleusis

Postby MagsJ » Sat Feb 08, 2020 4:01 pm

Lololol.. I’m happy to be judge, and Phon.. if she ever gets back here. :confusion-shrug:
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