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Postby Ierrellus » Wed Sep 04, 2019 3:48 pm

When sky father and earth mother are wed, there will be peace on Earth.
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Re: Peace

Postby Ierrellus » Wed Sep 04, 2019 4:10 pm

Drop your koans into this basket.
Without is Within.
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Re: Peace

Postby Exuberant Teleportation » Wed Sep 04, 2019 6:14 pm

Peace can only come as natural consequence of Universal Enlightenment.
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Re: Peace

Postby iambiguous » Wed Sep 04, 2019 6:16 pm

Ierrellus wrote:When sky father and earth mother are wed, there will be peace on Earth.


Well, until that happens we'll have to deal with sky father and earth mother creating catagory 5 hurricanes: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_C ... hurricanes

Not to mention category 5 typhoons: https://www.thoughtco.com/most-powerful ... ry-3443613
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Re: Peace

Postby iambiguous » Wed Sep 04, 2019 6:26 pm

Exuberant Teleportation wrote:Peace can only come as natural consequence of Universal Enlightenment.


Okay, let's imagine that we do achieve Universal Enlightenment and peace of Earth.

So, would there still be category 5 hurricanes? How about extinction events?
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Re: Peace

Postby Exuberant Teleportation » Wed Sep 04, 2019 6:29 pm

iambiguous wrote:
Exuberant Teleportation wrote:Peace can only come as natural consequence of Universal Enlightenment.


Okay, let's imagine that we do achieve Universal Enlightenment and peace of Earth.

So, would there still be category 5 hurricanes? How about extinction events?


It's part of transitioning to a Type 1 Civilization (Kardashev scale - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kardashev_scale )

The highest aim of this system (in more esoteric, less empirical sectors) is to become a God of spacetime, seeding new stations, ballooning expansion.

But higher than that yet even could be to become existence itself, to have life animate your personality.

So, the reason that preventing hurricanes is type 1 status is because that kind of society can control the weather. We're currently type .72, but in the future, we could be type 1 in about 2 centuries ahead, maybe around 2200.
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Re: Peace

Postby iambiguous » Wed Sep 04, 2019 6:46 pm

Exuberant Teleportation wrote:It's part of transitioning to a Type 1 Civilization (Kardashev scale - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kardashev_scale )

The highest aim of this system (in more esoteric, less empirical sectors) is to become a God of spacetime, seeding new stations, ballooning expansion.

But higher than that yet even could be to become existence itself, to have life animate your personality.

So, the reason that preventing hurricanes is type 1 status is because that kind of society can control the weather. We're currently type .72, but in the future, we could be type 1 in about 2 centuries ahead, maybe around 2200.


I don't doubt that "in your head" you believe all of this. But how would you actually go about demonstrating to the world that all other rational -- virtuous? -- men and women are obligated to believe it in turn? You know, given that none of us are likely to be around in the year 2200. Or is that not actually true?

And how on earth would any of what I construe to be this "thought experiment" of yours prevent the next extinction event? A gigantic asteroid/comet hitting Earth for example. A gamma ray burst. A super nova.

After all, you know what they say about this: "It's not a question of if, but when".

How might a "God of spacetime" be involved here?

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Re: Peace

Postby Jakob » Wed Sep 04, 2019 9:03 pm

Ierrellus wrote:When sky father and earth mother are wed, there will be peace on Earth.

Hence - The lightning is really the silence. Its appearance emphasizes the noise we are.
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Re: Peace

Postby Exuberant Teleportation » Wed Sep 04, 2019 9:55 pm

iambiguous wrote:I don't doubt that "in your head" you believe all of this. But how would you actually go about demonstrating to the world that all other rational -- virtuous? -- men and women are obligated to believe it in turn? You know, given that none of us are likely to be around in the year 2200. Or is that not actually true?

And how on earth would any of what I construe to be this "thought experiment" of yours prevent the next extinction event? A gigantic asteroid/comet hitting Earth for example. A gamma ray burst. A super nova.

After all, you know what they say about this: "It's not a question of if, but when".

How might a "God of spacetime" be involved here?

[I can't even imagine what fantastic scenarios will come next]


It's a hobby we can have to contemplate what might be possible. It's a journey, with many themes and routes. As you said, a dinosaur erasing similar event could parade over our little corner of paradise here on earth, and blow out the birthday candles on our lives.

However, I believe that we're in the process of establishing God's kingdom. It's been prophesied, foreseen. And it just will happen. But the paradox is that we have to make it happen.

So, you Iambiguous have threads here where you take a professional article, and break it down, point by point, and you do this very frequently. So I would consider you part of our transition to space (and damn, why do people not come here in more numbers - that could be the real universal enlightenment).

I told you before that I don't think that too many people have free will, so it's up to expert designers and classifiers of society to try to push the boundaries of what's possible.

And if we're around to see signs of progress towards the space shift, then we should be very grateful that we witnessed and helped participate in the beginning seeds of that transition.

God is very involved. And I don't consider Him to be the boring type either. So His imagination unleashed will make certain and arousing the dance with destiny we have to return to the tree of life. And I have a little theory of that right here:

I believe 99% that we are in the middle of some extra-terrestrial civilizations, at least two Yahweh and Lucifer. There's a battle of galactic empires, human souls etc. That's my view.
Imagine an extra-terrestrial civilization older than 1 billion years... at what level of evolution they may be. They don't inhabit planets anymore but gigantic space stations at another level of conscience, other dimensions, a-temporal space (space station: "Heavenly Jerusalem" for example, read the last verses from the Book of revelation). If I say that Yahweh is an alien don't think that He is a grey or something like that (In my opinion the greys are just some biological robots created by Lucifer to interact with humans in this tridimensional space-time continuum). Basically these civilizations are at a level of evolution impossible for us to understand. There are some great descriptions of these types of angels 2.5 meter height, blond and very long hair, blue metallic eyes.
The "tree of life", "the river of life" there is a whole complex described in the Bible inside their gigantic space station.
In the Bible according to the decoding the tree of life has two meanings: in negative matter (spiritual level beyond tridimensional space time continuum) "the tree of life" represents the place where this super-civilization keep the spiritual bodies recollected from earth, compatible with the angels of Yahweh. How Yahweh developed a program with 12 series (12 families of Israel) so in this way there are 12 types of spiritual bodies compatible with the angels of God Super-civilization and 12 trees, situated as Ezechiel said on one side and the other of "the river of life". There is whole complex described in the book very interesting about how this super-civilization is organized and their bases into an a-temporal space, based on the ancient manuscripts of course.
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Re: Peace

Postby iambiguous » Thu Sep 05, 2019 12:12 am

Exuberant Teleportation wrote:
iambiguous wrote:I don't doubt that "in your head" you believe all of this. But how would you actually go about demonstrating to the world that all other rational -- virtuous? -- men and women are obligated to believe it in turn? You know, given that none of us are likely to be around in the year 2200. Or is that not actually true?

And how on earth would any of what I construe to be this "thought experiment" of yours prevent the next extinction event? A gigantic asteroid/comet hitting Earth for example. A gamma ray burst. A super nova.

After all, you know what they say about this: "It's not a question of if, but when".

How might a "God of spacetime" be involved here?

[I can't even imagine what fantastic scenarios will come next]


It's a hobby we can have to contemplate what might be possible. It's a journey, with many themes and routes. As you said, a dinosaur erasing similar event could parade over our little corner of paradise here on earth, and blow out the birthday candles on our lives.

However, I believe that we're in the process of establishing God's kingdom. It's been prophesied, foreseen. And it just will happen. But the paradox is that we have to make it happen.

So, you Iambiguous have threads here where you take a professional article, and break it down, point by point, and you do this very frequently. So I would consider you part of our transition to space (and damn, why do people not come here in more numbers - that could be the real universal enlightenment).

I told you before that I don't think that too many people have free will, so it's up to expert designers and classifiers of society to try to push the boundaries of what's possible.

And if we're around to see signs of progress towards the space shift, then we should be very grateful that we witnessed and helped participate in the beginning seeds of that transition.

God is very involved. And I don't consider Him to be the boring type either. So His imagination unleashed will make certain and arousing the dance with destiny we have to return to the tree of life. And I have a little theory of that right here:

I believe 99% that we are in the middle of some extra-terrestrial civilizations, at least two Yahweh and Lucifer. There's a battle of galactic empires, human souls etc. That's my view.
Imagine an extra-terrestrial civilization older than 1 billion years... at what level of evolution they may be. They don't inhabit planets anymore but gigantic space stations at another level of conscience, other dimensions, a-temporal space (space station: "Heavenly Jerusalem" for example, read the last verses from the Book of revelation). If I say that Yahweh is an alien don't think that He is a grey or something like that (In my opinion the greys are just some biological robots created by Lucifer to interact with humans in this tridimensional space-time continuum). Basically these civilizations are at a level of evolution impossible for us to understand. There are some great descriptions of these types of angels 2.5 meter height, blond and very long hair, blue metallic eyes.
The "tree of life", "the river of life" there is a whole complex described in the Bible inside their gigantic space station.
In the Bible according to the decoding the tree of life has two meanings: in negative matter (spiritual level beyond tridimensional space time continuum) "the tree of life" represents the place where this super-civilization keep the spiritual bodies recollected from earth, compatible with the angels of Yahweh. How Yahweh developed a program with 12 series (12 families of Israel) so in this way there are 12 types of spiritual bodies compatible with the angels of God Super-civilization and 12 trees, situated as Ezechiel said on one side and the other of "the river of life". There is whole complex described in the book very interesting about how this super-civilization is organized and their bases into an a-temporal space, based on the ancient manuscripts of course.


Again:

I don't doubt that "in your head" you believe all of this. But how would you actually go about demonstrating to the world that all other rational -- virtuous? -- men and women are obligated to believe it in turn?

Let's take the part where you assert that, "God is very involved. And I don't consider Him to be the boring type either. So His imagination unleashed will make certain and arousing the dance with destiny we have to return to the tree of life."

How would you go about demonstrating to someone who is with you from day to day that this is true...beyond the fact that you believe that it is?

You will either make an attempt to accomplish this as best you can here or merely go on bombarding us with all of these fantastic claims that no doubt bring you comfort and consolation but that folks like me are unable to actually connect in any substantive way to the lives that we live.
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Re: Peace

Postby Exuberant Teleportation » Thu Sep 05, 2019 4:02 am

iambiguous wrote:
Exuberant Teleportation wrote:
iambiguous wrote:I don't doubt that "in your head" you believe all of this. But how would you actually go about demonstrating to the world that all other rational -- virtuous? -- men and women are obligated to believe it in turn? You know, given that none of us are likely to be around in the year 2200. Or is that not actually true?

And how on earth would any of what I construe to be this "thought experiment" of yours prevent the next extinction event? A gigantic asteroid/comet hitting Earth for example. A gamma ray burst. A super nova.

After all, you know what they say about this: "It's not a question of if, but when".

How might a "God of spacetime" be involved here?

[I can't even imagine what fantastic scenarios will come next]


It's a hobby we can have to contemplate what might be possible. It's a journey, with many themes and routes. As you said, a dinosaur erasing similar event could parade over our little corner of paradise here on earth, and blow out the birthday candles on our lives.

However, I believe that we're in the process of establishing God's kingdom. It's been prophesied, foreseen. And it just will happen. But the paradox is that we have to make it happen.

So, you Iambiguous have threads here where you take a professional article, and break it down, point by point, and you do this very frequently. So I would consider you part of our transition to space (and damn, why do people not come here in more numbers - that could be the real universal enlightenment).

I told you before that I don't think that too many people have free will, so it's up to expert designers and classifiers of society to try to push the boundaries of what's possible.

And if we're around to see signs of progress towards the space shift, then we should be very grateful that we witnessed and helped participate in the beginning seeds of that transition.

God is very involved. And I don't consider Him to be the boring type either. So His imagination unleashed will make certain and arousing the dance with destiny we have to return to the tree of life. And I have a little theory of that right here:

I believe 99% that we are in the middle of some extra-terrestrial civilizations, at least two Yahweh and Lucifer. There's a battle of galactic empires, human souls etc. That's my view.
Imagine an extra-terrestrial civilization older than 1 billion years... at what level of evolution they may be. They don't inhabit planets anymore but gigantic space stations at another level of conscience, other dimensions, a-temporal space (space station: "Heavenly Jerusalem" for example, read the last verses from the Book of revelation). If I say that Yahweh is an alien don't think that He is a grey or something like that (In my opinion the greys are just some biological robots created by Lucifer to interact with humans in this tridimensional space-time continuum). Basically these civilizations are at a level of evolution impossible for us to understand. There are some great descriptions of these types of angels 2.5 meter height, blond and very long hair, blue metallic eyes.
The "tree of life", "the river of life" there is a whole complex described in the Bible inside their gigantic space station.
In the Bible according to the decoding the tree of life has two meanings: in negative matter (spiritual level beyond tridimensional space time continuum) "the tree of life" represents the place where this super-civilization keep the spiritual bodies recollected from earth, compatible with the angels of Yahweh. How Yahweh developed a program with 12 series (12 families of Israel) so in this way there are 12 types of spiritual bodies compatible with the angels of God Super-civilization and 12 trees, situated as Ezechiel said on one side and the other of "the river of life". There is whole complex described in the book very interesting about how this super-civilization is organized and their bases into an a-temporal space, based on the ancient manuscripts of course.


Again:

I don't doubt that "in your head" you believe all of this. But how would you actually go about demonstrating to the world that all other rational -- virtuous? -- men and women are obligated to believe it in turn?

Let's take the part where you assert that, "God is very involved. And I don't consider Him to be the boring type either. So His imagination unleashed will make certain and arousing the dance with destiny we have to return to the tree of life."

How would you go about demonstrating to someone who is with you from day to day that this is true...beyond the fact that you believe that it is?

You will either make an attempt to accomplish this as best you can here or merely go on bombarding us with all of these fantastic claims that no doubt bring you comfort and consolation but that folks like me are unable to actually connect in any substantive way to the lives that we live.


I've always split off into my own sector of fiction and myth making. If we place too many limits on what our imaginations can do, then we lose some of the reality entertainment.

However, solving the problem for everyone about what will likely work, what seems most logical, most rational, would take common systems and measures for us to agree on. It would have to become an academic subject, like many Philosophy classes talk about Plato.

However, if we remain too sane, too grounded about the future, then there may not be great revolutions.

It seems like you're really interested in testing something out in the laboratory, or at the very least, like for asteroid collisions, running a cosmic simulation to foresee immanent, calculated dangers.

A lot of imaginative people like video games, so if we could program a box, then that brings our ideas to life more.

But the key, for you, is to make the idea more large scale, more real. You need idea realization, something that brings the whole T-Rex to life.

Or maybe I'm bothering you because I'm trying to poison what's real with a fantasy. But you may enjoy it if it were merely moved to the video game category.

But why not make it real? If we believe it, then it may become more powerful. Or at least, in great aims, it is glorious even to fall.
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Re: Peace

Postby Ierrellus » Thu Sep 05, 2019 1:17 pm

Jakob wrote:
Ierrellus wrote:When sky father and earth mother are wed, there will be peace on Earth.

Hence - The lightning is really the silence. Its appearance emphasizes the noise we are.
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Re: Peace

Postby Ierrellus » Thu Sep 05, 2019 1:23 pm

Others:
Some humans opt to live in harms way.
So, in what way do these storms or "natural disasters"deter folks from being peacefull? Usually disasters cause more folks to be compassionate and empathetic.
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Re: Peace

Postby iambiguous » Thu Sep 05, 2019 5:30 pm

Exuberant Teleportation wrote:I've always split off into my own sector of fiction and myth making. If we place too many limits on what our imaginations can do, then we lose some of the reality entertainment.

However, solving the problem for everyone about what will likely work, what seems most logical, most rational, would take common systems and measures for us to agree on. It would have to become an academic subject, like many Philosophy classes talk about Plato.

However, if we remain too sane, too grounded about the future, then there may not be great revolutions.

It seems like you're really interested in testing something out in the laboratory, or at the very least, like for asteroid collisions, running a cosmic simulation to foresee immanent, calculated dangers.

A lot of imaginative people like video games, so if we could program a box, then that brings our ideas to life more.

But the key, for you, is to make the idea more large scale, more real. You need idea realization, something that brings the whole T-Rex to life.

Or maybe I'm bothering you because I'm trying to poison what's real with a fantasy. But you may enjoy it if it were merely moved to the video game category.

But why not make it real? If we believe it, then it may become more powerful. Or at least, in great aims, it is glorious even to fall.


We are clearly stuck. In my head you are failing to address the points I raise. In your head you're not failing at all.

We can now only leave it to others to decide for themselves [given an autononous universe] who comes closer.

Still, what does count [here in particular] is not what you can demonstrate to be true but what you believe is true...reflecting that which as far as you are concerned is demonstration enough.

If you are able to embed a sense of identity in what you believe, fine. And if what you believe comforts and consoles you, you're that much further ahead in what I myself construe to be an essentially meaningless [and often very, very painful] world that ends in oblivion.

Now it's just a matter of what comes next. New experiences, new relationships, new information and knowledge. Your "real me" in sync with the "right way to think about all of this" will either follow you to the grave or it won't.

Then, in the interim, you are calculating from day to day your value and your worth in the context of all there is.

The part about dasein, from my frame of mind. Though others disagree.
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Re: Peace

Postby iambiguous » Thu Sep 05, 2019 5:43 pm

Ierrellus wrote:Others:
Some humans opt to live in harms way.
So, in what way do these storms or "natural disasters"deter folks from being peacefull? Usually disasters cause more folks to be compassionate and empathetic.


Are you actually suggesting here that what many construe to be an omnipotent God is off the hook in the Bahamas because those folks chose to live there?

And that those who survived the utter devastation of their homeland now have the opportunity to display empathy and compassion. Thanks to God.

Look, I recognize that my own emotional reaction to all this is embedded [psychologically] in the fact that in my No God world, these terrible things happen and I don't have a God around to blame. They just happen because shit happens going back to however one is able to understand and to explain existence itself.

The brute "facticity" of it all and what appears to be an utterly futile attempt on the part of mere mortals to master it.

And yes, while rain brings birth in some contexts, floods bring death in others.
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Re: Peace

Postby Arcturus Descending » Thu Sep 05, 2019 6:03 pm

Counter ~~

Have I been made for this, to lie under the blankets and keep myself warm?

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"Look closely. The beautiful may be small."


"Two things fill the mind with ever new and increasing admiration and awe, the oftener and more steadily we reflect on them: the starry heavens above me and the moral law within me."


“Whereas the beautiful is limited, the sublime is limitless, so that the mind in the presence of the sublime, attempting to imagine what it cannot, has pain in the failure but pleasure in contemplating the immensity of the attempt.”

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Re: Peace

Postby Ierrellus » Fri Sep 06, 2019 1:24 pm

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Ierrellus wrote:Others:
Some humans opt to live in harms way.
So, in what way do these storms or "natural disasters"deter folks from being peacefull? Usually disasters cause more folks to be compassionate and empathetic.


Are you actually suggesting here that what many construe to be an omnipotent God is off the hook in the Bahamas because those folks chose to live there?

And that those who survived the utter devastation of their homeland now have the opportunity to display empathy and compassion. Thanks to God.

Look, I recognize that my own emotional reaction to all this is embedded [psychologically] in the fact that in my No God world, these terrible things happen and I don't have a God around to blame. They just happen because shit happens going back to however one is able to understand and to explain existence itself.

The brute "facticity" of it all and what appears to be an utterly futile attempt on the part of mere mortals to master it.

And yes, while rain brings birth in some contexts, floods bring death in others.

Not letting anybody off the hook; but if you need somebody to blame. . .Why not blame Nature?, " Nature is red in tooth and claw."--Tennyson, contra Wordsworth.
Where are the koans?
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Re: Peace

Postby Ierrellus » Fri Sep 06, 2019 1:27 pm

Arcturus Descending wrote:Counter ~~

Have I been made for this, to lie under the blankets and keep myself warm?

Marcus Aurelius

Provocative insight.
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Re: Peace

Postby Ierrellus » Fri Sep 06, 2019 2:28 pm

Ierrellus wrote:
Arcturus Descending wrote:Counter ~~

Have I been made for this, to lie under the blankets and keep myself warm?

Marcus Aurelius

Provocative insight.

In that vein--
A blanket statement has no need of proof,
For it is warm and snugly covers truth.
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Re: Peace

Postby Arcturus Descending » Fri Sep 06, 2019 4:29 pm

Ierrellus wrote:
Arcturus Descending wrote:Counter ~~

Have I been made for this, to lie under the blankets and keep myself warm?

Marcus Aurelius

Provocative insight.


He is one who I might have enjoyed sitting down with and having a cup of coffee with or a glass of wine. I suppose in a way I still can. But too one-sided. :evilfun:
"Look closely. The beautiful may be small."


"Two things fill the mind with ever new and increasing admiration and awe, the oftener and more steadily we reflect on them: the starry heavens above me and the moral law within me."


“Whereas the beautiful is limited, the sublime is limitless, so that the mind in the presence of the sublime, attempting to imagine what it cannot, has pain in the failure but pleasure in contemplating the immensity of the attempt.”

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Re: Peace

Postby Arcturus Descending » Fri Sep 06, 2019 4:37 pm

Ierrellus wrote:
Ierrellus wrote:
Arcturus Descending wrote:Counter ~~

Have I been made for this, to lie under the blankets and keep myself warm?

Marcus Aurelius

Provocative insight.

In that vein--
A blanket statement has no need of proof,
For it is warm and snugly covers truth.


Like a safe cocoon.
"Look closely. The beautiful may be small."


"Two things fill the mind with ever new and increasing admiration and awe, the oftener and more steadily we reflect on them: the starry heavens above me and the moral law within me."


“Whereas the beautiful is limited, the sublime is limitless, so that the mind in the presence of the sublime, attempting to imagine what it cannot, has pain in the failure but pleasure in contemplating the immensity of the attempt.”

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Re: Peace

Postby Jakob » Sat Sep 07, 2019 12:32 pm

Ierrellus wrote:
Jakob wrote:
Ierrellus wrote:When sky father and earth mother are wed, there will be peace on Earth.

Hence - The lightning is really the silence. Its appearance emphasizes the noise we are.
Rain is birth
my koan

Thanks. I like it.

Thought you might. Great.
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Re: Peace

Postby Ierrellus » Sat Sep 07, 2019 1:50 pm

The teacher must leave in order for the student to learn.
See Kierkegaard's "Gospel of Suffering"
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Re: Peace

Postby Jakob » Sat Sep 07, 2019 4:34 pm

Ierrellus wrote:The teacher must leave in order for the student to learn.
See Kierkegaard's "Gospel of Suffering"

Thats a valuable insight.

Yes, the student must first be free to object to all he has heard, and by his own resources, address all that he objects to and therefrom learn what these obtrusive notions really mean. A notion is only proto-knowledge, it must first be... valued by the student in his own terms, integrated into some living reality, take on value.

"Value" is far juicier than there analytics would have it.

Heidegger is the philosophy of grass.
Which is a really good start for a farm. Which is a really good start for an Idea.

An Idea is just a really big farm.

No, I meant, which is a good basis for a civilization. A civilization occurs between farmlands.

One might say Indians (Americans) had culture, but didn't bring about a civilization. WL said to understand culture and civilization as opposites.

In fact they did farm the continent but by more natural means - they created the prairies by setting fire each spring and fall to the woods. In the early colonial time one could say; up the Hudson between the burning banks on both sides.

Human life was once real, when there were still Encounters..

Now only philosophy, or aliens can save us.
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Re: Peace

Postby iambiguous » Sat Sep 07, 2019 8:02 pm

Ierrellus wrote:Not letting anybody off the hook; but if you need somebody to blame. . .Why not blame Nature?, " Nature is red in tooth and claw."--Tennyson, contra Wordsworth.


Well, perhaps your own understanding of God does not include the part where He created nature. In other words, when He created Earth and all the rest.

In law, they speak of "acts of God":

"In legal usage throughout the English-speaking world, an act of God is a natural hazard outside human control, such as an earthquake or tsunami, for which no person can be held responsible."

I must be misunderstanding your point here.

Even if the human species does manage to meld with sky and earth and forge an everlasting peace here on planet Earth, the earthquakes and volcanoes and tsunamis and tornados and floods etc., will still be around. Not to mention extinction events hurtling down from the heavens above when the next Big One strikes.
He was like a man who wanted to change all; and could not; so burned with his impotence; and had only me, an infinitely small microcosm to convert or detest. John Fowles

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