Do logic and reason say that God is our servant?

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Re: Do logic and reason say that God is our servant?

Postby Greatest I am » Thu Jan 09, 2020 7:38 pm

Ierrellus wrote:GIA, I don't understand what God you are railing against. It's certainly not mine who operates through nature via embedded creative evolution. Your God is the fantasy, being inexplicable by the laws of science and nature, which is where we live.


I rail against all supernatural gods as they are all fiction.

Who is your god?

If Yahweh, explain why you follow a genocidal and satanic god.

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Re: Do logic and reason say that God is our servant?

Postby Arcturus Descending » Thu Jan 09, 2020 8:05 pm

Greatest I Am,

I chat mostly with Christians who say they wish to serve Jesus, while he himself said he came to serve and not be served.


There was a time when I was a practicing Catholic/Christian that I felt the same way though I failed often enough. I wanted to serve Christ since for me he was the Son of God and I loved him. Christ supposedly wanted to serve humanity as that was His mission. Boy, have things changed since then. How could I ever have known? ILP has changed me. lol

When Christ uttered those words, could they have also not in part been a teaching of some sort, for humanity to follow His example and to also serve others? Also, He must have been quite a humble kind of guy, no? I do not mean a wimp or one who has little self-esteem but one who knows who he is and what he is about.

Would it be unreasonable to think/feel that someone who wanted to serve others could be the kind of person who one would also want to serve, especially if they felt that that person was Divine?

I want Christians to compare that to the ass kissing and serving they want to do to a god who does not want it.


lol I just love the way in which you express yourself.
Honestly, I have no idea how to respond to the above. I will have to give it some thought.
I suppose you can call that a Catch 22 maybe.
Do you know all the words of Christ? How often does He use those words in the NT?
Is it possible that many of his words were conflicting in nature?
I think that your question requires some reflection because honestly in these moments I have no idea how to respond. Things are not so cut and dry, so black and white.

If you were a god, which would you do?

If I was a goddess, I might just want to conceal my very nature. But since I am not, how can I answer that? What would I be a goddess of, by the way? All of the universe, all of nature, et cetera?

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“Whereas the beautiful is limited, the sublime is limitless, so that the mind in the presence of the sublime, attempting to imagine what it cannot, has pain in the failure but pleasure in contemplating the immensity of the attempt.”

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Re: Do logic and reason say that God is our servant?

Postby Arcturus Descending » Thu Jan 09, 2020 8:43 pm

Greatest I am

Yes.
In that sense, we never really die. We just change.
We cannot know if we retain our consciousness.


This is true. We cannot know this.

When the brain stops functioning, when it is kaput, we are dead. We are no more. We are simply shells.
What change are you speaking about? Dust? Dirt?
That is not us. We are gone.
"Look closely. The beautiful may be small."


"Two things fill the mind with ever new and increasing admiration and awe, the oftener and more steadily we reflect on them: the starry heavens above me and the moral law within me."


“Whereas the beautiful is limited, the sublime is limitless, so that the mind in the presence of the sublime, attempting to imagine what it cannot, has pain in the failure but pleasure in contemplating the immensity of the attempt.”

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Re: Do logic and reason say that God is our servant?

Postby Greatest I am » Thu Jan 09, 2020 9:50 pm

Arcturus Descending wrote:
Would it be unreasonable to think/feel that someone who wanted to serve others could be the kind of person who one would also want to serve, especially if they felt that that person was Divine?


If one is to think someone divine, and that divinity says he wants to serve you, if you respect that divinity, one would do as bid wouldn't one? Or would one put their desire to serve ahead of the divinities desires to not be served?

What service can one do for a god who has by nature, no wants or needs?

Especially when scriptures say that we have no free will to change any ones mind as that change is controlled by god.

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Re: Do logic and reason say that God is our servant?

Postby Greatest I am » Thu Jan 09, 2020 9:53 pm

Arcturus Descending wrote:Greatest I am

Yes.
In that sense, we never really die. We just change.
We cannot know if we retain our consciousness.


This is true. We cannot know this.

When the brain stops functioning, when it is kaput, we are dead. We are no more. We are simply shells.
What change are you speaking about? Dust? Dirt?
That is not us. We are gone.


We change from a sentient creature to dust and dirt, sure, but that does not tell us if our consciousness continues.

The religious con men posit an afterlife and that is their immoral hook for the gullible.

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Re: Do logic and reason say that God is our servant?

Postby Arcturus Descending » Sat Jan 11, 2020 6:07 pm

Greatest I Am,

If one is to think someone divine, and that divinity says he wants to serve you, if you respect that divinity, one would do as bid wouldn't one? Or would one put their desire to serve ahead of the divinities desires to not be served?


Hmmm :-k That may be a difficult question to answer. I think that it might have to do with the kind of person who is listening to that divine one. That person would be the kind of person who respects the needs of others even though he/she might be uncomfortable in allowing his/her self to be served.

You could see that as a form of service in itself - allowing the divine to serve you.

What service can one do for a god who has by nature, no wants or needs?


Speaking for myself, I would say to be grateful for everything which one holds as having beauty and meaning in one's life.

Another answer might be to leave that God alone, give it some breathing room.

Especially when scriptures say that we have no free will to change any ones mind as that change is controlled by god.


Well, this is all I have to say about that ~~ who could even want to worship such a puppeteer as that?
But where does scripture say that, GIA?
We need to learn to think for ourselves!
"Look closely. The beautiful may be small."


"Two things fill the mind with ever new and increasing admiration and awe, the oftener and more steadily we reflect on them: the starry heavens above me and the moral law within me."


“Whereas the beautiful is limited, the sublime is limitless, so that the mind in the presence of the sublime, attempting to imagine what it cannot, has pain in the failure but pleasure in contemplating the immensity of the attempt.”

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Re: Do logic and reason say that God is our servant?

Postby Arcturus Descending » Sat Jan 11, 2020 6:12 pm

Greatest I Am,


The religious con men posit an afterlife and that is their immoral hook for the gullible.


Do you see all religious or those who preach religion as con men?
There is such a thing as an honest belief, is there not? We all see things differently.

Regards to you too.
"Look closely. The beautiful may be small."


"Two things fill the mind with ever new and increasing admiration and awe, the oftener and more steadily we reflect on them: the starry heavens above me and the moral law within me."


“Whereas the beautiful is limited, the sublime is limitless, so that the mind in the presence of the sublime, attempting to imagine what it cannot, has pain in the failure but pleasure in contemplating the immensity of the attempt.”

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Re: Do logic and reason say that God is our servant?

Postby Arcturus Descending » Sat Jan 11, 2020 6:24 pm

Ierrellus,

That is how God works, not necessarily the sum total of what God is.
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How can you be sure that is how God works? That is only your thinking.

Did God ordain that the world Become or was it some kind of an accident? Was there another world (universe) before this one?

Why are we so sure that we know who or what God is and the workings of this entity?
"Look closely. The beautiful may be small."


"Two things fill the mind with ever new and increasing admiration and awe, the oftener and more steadily we reflect on them: the starry heavens above me and the moral law within me."


“Whereas the beautiful is limited, the sublime is limitless, so that the mind in the presence of the sublime, attempting to imagine what it cannot, has pain in the failure but pleasure in contemplating the immensity of the attempt.”

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