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Mr Reasonable wrote:Yo dog. God like, works in mysterious ways and his plan is incomprehensible to our feeble, human minds because we're sinners and all that. How arrogant of you to assume you can deconstruct the psychology of God. Even worse...who are you to decide what's good and what's evil? Are you God?
Mutcer wrote:The Problem of Evil
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Dan~ wrote:Another explanation is that the creator of mankind is finite in powers even though he created mankind and wanted us to fare well.
Dan~ wrote:If it is good for everybody, it no longer qualifies as evil.
Silhouette wrote:Is it evil to steal to respect your parents?
Do all parents deserve respect? No.Is it evil to kill those who force people to not keep the sabbath day holy?
Have you not heard that there is no compulsion in religions? Or so religions tell us even as they use Inquisitions and Jihads.Is it evil to lie about not worshipping false idols?
Lies are generally thought of as sins.These are pressing questions that need answers, right now!
Dan~ wrote:In canada we dont worship books.
Greatest I am wrote:Do all parents deserve respect? No.
Greatest I am wrote:Have you not heard that there is no compulsion in religions? Or so religions tell us even as they use Inquisitions and Jihads.
Greatest I am wrote:Lies are generally thought of as sins.
Greatest I am wrote:I am surprised you would need someone else to answer those simple questions for you.
Silhouette wrote:[quote="Greatest I am"]Do all parents deserve respect? No.
Commandment 5 (sometimes 4): Honour your father and mother, u sinner!
In case you want to challenge the difference between honour and respect, just switch the terms in my original question.
Do you violate this commandment or 8/7: thou shalt not steal?
Greatest I am wrote:Have you not heard that there is no compulsion in religions? Or so religions tell us even as they use Inquisitions and Jihads.
Commandment 4 (sometimes 3): Remember the Sabbath day to keep it holy.
How are you supposed to do this if people are preventing you?
Of course, they could still be remembering the Sabbath day even if they're forced not to keep it holy, but what if their brain was interfered with to disrupt this capacity to remember?
Do you violate this commandment or 6/5: thou shalt not kill?
Greatest I am wrote:Lies are generally thought of as sins.
Yes, and commandment 2 (sometimes 1) says thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image.
In case you want to dispute making graven images and worshiping false idols then as before, just switch the terms in the original question.
Do you violate this commandment or 9/8: thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour?
Greatest I am wrote:I am surprised you would need someone else to answer those simple questions for you.
You seem to have missed the point behind my trolly post, which I put together with little thought in a matter of seconds that was simply to ask "is it evil to violate one commandment for another?"
You say there's no compulsion in religions?
How do you reconcile this with ten commandments? Commandments that are not compulsory? You're ordered to uphold all these things but really it's just a guide?
You might say that some commandments are more important than others, that killing is more evil than making a graven image, but if so surely the less evil one is still evil to break? The lesser of two evils is still evil.
[/quote]I skimmed you saying something about evil being inherent in religion, and I was glibly making the same point as inherent in even its most fundamental and widely known set of rules: the ten commandments.
Jakob wrote:None of you heathens has read even the first chapter of the Bible.
The problems began with the discernment of good and evil. Three of knowledge from which Eve was tempted to eat the fruits.
What we see as "evil" is tribulation.
Greatest I am wrote:Jakob wrote:None of you heathens has read even the first chapter of the Bible.
The problems began with the discernment of good and evil. Three of knowledge from which Eve was tempted to eat the fruits.
What we see as "evil" is tribulation.
I have read all of the bible.
So you have taken it upon yourself to rename the tree of knowledge of good and evil to the tree of knowledge of good and tribulation.
What you see as tribulation/evil, your Exusltet hymn calls Adam's sin a happy fault and necessary to God's plan.
That follows the older Jewish interpretation that is superior to0 yours and that is possibly why Gnostic Christians also see Eden as our place of elevation and not the fall that Christianity stupidly put to us becoming as Gods in the knowing of good and evil.
Now if you can tell us you think Christianity reversed the moral of that myth to a fall while calling Adam's sin a happy fault and necessary to God's plan, then you will have something worth hearing.
Regards
DL
Silhouette wrote:Is it evil to steal to respect your parents?
Is it evil to kill those who force people to not keep the sabbath day holy?
Is it evil to lie about not worshipping false idols?
Serendipper wrote:The commandment is to honor your parents and stealing does not bring them honor.
Serendipper wrote:Silhouette wrote:Is it evil to kill those who force people to not keep the sabbath day holy?
Matthew 12:11 And he said unto them, What man shall there be among you, that shall have one sheep, and if it fall into a pit on the sabbath day, will he not lay hold on it, and lift it out?
Serendipper wrote:To lie and claim you're worshipping an idol when you are not? Why would you do that? But yes, lie is sin.
Silhouette wrote:Serendipper wrote:The commandment is to honor your parents and stealing does not bring them honor.
Depends, if:
A) They/everyone doesn't know you stole
B) Your stealing brings more honour than it loses
C) They're a family of thieves or they otherwise respect your craft
What if you dishonourably steal to save their lives? You can't honour parents more than saving their lives.
Serendipper wrote:Silhouette wrote:Is it evil to kill those who force people to not keep the sabbath day holy?
Matthew 12:11 And he said unto them, What man shall there be among you, that shall have one sheep, and if it fall into a pit on the sabbath day, will he not lay hold on it, and lift it out?
So Matt is cool with breaking a commandment, good to know.
Serendipper wrote:To lie and claim you're worshipping an idol when you are not? Why would you do that? But yes, lie is sin.
Why you would do it doesn't matter, it's possible to do it, so is it evil or not if you do?
Again, my examples are rhetorical, is it evil or not to break a commandment to uphold another? Apparently you don't have to follow the Sabbath one - any other ones that you don't have to bother with?
Serendipper wrote:B) Your stealing brings more honour than it loses
Eh, it's tough to see how.
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