Is God competent or incompetent?

I’d say God’s logic goes: hell exists for people that deserve it.
It would be imperfect to not be able to discipline sinners.

Apparently sin is part of perfection.
Perhaps because perfection is not found in meekness and obedience but in making things right.

You need things to be wrong for that.

i view it more as mysandry. God being some facist tyrant who refuses to acknoledge satans lesbian marylyn manson desires. Satan says, I want to worship the females u made, refuses to worship god, her hubby, God, her angry hubby, sends the dark lord to hell in a facist heartless manner.

michalengo has pent up resentment for dudes, he just feels used by countless dudes in a homosexual manner


[size=85]lord satan, sad, lurking on the internet, spending time surrounded in darkness and void, the bottomless pits of internet forums, the place known as ‘Sheol’, as punishment of condemnation[/size]


[size=85]lord satan, turned insane from all the bitter abuse.[/size]

human beings dont jack off to gay porn first. they jack off to lesbian porn first, and slowly as they lose faith in the female purity they migrate to gay porn.

Telling people that they need to jack off to gay porn first, in order to be “saved” by the lesbian porn later, is fucked up.

Everyone knows that smelling ass, before dinner, does not make the dinner taste even better.

You asked “How long has Christianity flourished?”

From the day they used Inquisitions and murder to put their religion at the top of the garbage heap.

You seem to think Christianity should be praised for murder.

I will let you go ahead with that.

As to God having to base Christianity on barbaric human sacrifice, like he had no moral ways to do it.

Only the foolish will think they can speak for the thinking in the supernatural world.

I will let you do so. Do not expect respect for that though.

Regards
DL

Yet it is the same discipline for all offences, be they small or large.

Only those who do not care about injustice or their corrupted morals will praise God for him immorality.

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DL

Yet Christianity demand obedience and Islam demands submission.

It seems that they do not agree with you.

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DL

Greatest I Am,

What is it that you believe in? What religion, what organization? Are there any terrible abuses which have been committed by people seeking terrible power and control there, people wanting to do things their own way, according to their own belief systems?

What you described is not the Christianity which Christ supposedly founded. There are good and evil people everywhere.
There is good within Christianity and then again there are those rotten apples.
Even good thing can become corrupted.

This was not God. Again, it was the people according to their culture and their beliefs. These things happened long before Christianity came into existence. See, this the problem with religion and belief systems. We tend to create a God into our own image and likeness. Aside from that, perhaps we are just too fearful to recognize what we human beings are capable of doing to one another and so we blame God instead of blaming a warped psyche like those who are sadistic and enjoy inflicting hurt and blame on others because we cannot understand.

Personally, I am agnostic and I do not see things the way in which you or others see them.
How much real thinking actually goes on in the supernatural world, I wonder.

The word respect means to go back and take another look. We all need to do this often especially when our thinking does not meet up with our feelings and what we seem to see.

Actually they do.
Redemption is big in both religions, as is ferocious fighting to the death.
But even if they would not agree, why is that important enough to mention to me?
Does that make me wrong?
Are they god?

I dont know what religion you refer to but thats certainly not Christianity or Islam.
Both have a whole hierarchy of differentiated sin.

Aww.

You know what? God doesn’t exist.

Who the hell watches porn for its purity?

I don’t agree with the rest either, but those are all non-issues. Prostitution and purity together is an interesting concept.

There is much to be said for what I think Duterte said, that a prostitute is better than a politician, as she will get to work when she gets paid, and a politician certainly will not. The average prostitute has merit, the average politician or the average banker certainly has not, and they gobble up a lot more money.

Sure, there are good people in all evil organizations.

The S. S. and KKK had good people in them, even though good people would not call themselves S.S. or KKK.

"What is it that you believe in? What religion, what organization?

I am a Gnostic Christian. I follow their ideology of freedom of thought and being an esoteric ecumenist.

We do not believe in the idol worship of even a real God should one pop up some time.

Regards
DL

Could you help me put those terms together so that they do not produce and oxymoron. Also how you see you approach unifying Christian churches or all religions. Perhaps you use the words differently, let us know.

youtube.com/watch?v=vZJys45MLWI

The only Christian church of any kind that is flexible enough in it’s thinking to absorb most if not all Christian sects is Gnostic Christianity.

You have to begin with Universalism or you automatically exclude most Christian sects.

Those who love hell and love to hate will not apply.

Literalists of course are already lost to intelligent thinking.

Regards
DL

Could you refer to the meaning of the words, relating the concepts to make an intelligible whole. Esoteric and ecumenist. How do these go together. How does and ecumenist unify churches he or she considers evil? How does saying this unify them? How does comparing the churches to the SS and the KKK unify them? How does something that claims to be understood by only a few unify all churches? And so on.
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It would not exactly unify them. It would absorb them and have the old religion vanish. The new adherents would be reborn to a better way of thinking. When a Muslim, for instance, becomes a Christian, he calls himself a Christian and not a Muslim Christian.

On esoteric, you can use the link I put.

On ecumenism. You have to recall that in the past as well as today, all religions basically hate each other even if they have nearly the same core beliefs.

Gnostic Christianity would have them ignore the small differences and accept each others better parts. Like the equality od all including gays and females who are presently discriminated against without a just cause thanks to most religions preacher homophobia and misogyny.

Regards
DL

Greatest I am

I do not belong to any organized religion now. I believe in/intuit the High Order of Nature. lol Really.
If ILP can be called an organizationwhich I believe it can be, sometimes I believe in ILP and sometimes I lose my faith in it, which can be a good thing. Ultimately, we also need to learn to stand alone. There was a time when I looked on life with rose-colored glasses.

But the Christian part of that does not really follow freedom of thought ~~ is not allowed to embrace that ~~ now, does it?

For instance, can you give me an example of your freedom of thought? Do you believe that your freedom of thought leads you to have unbiased perspectives or are they also part of your freedom of thought?

How would you even know if one were to pop up some time as you say? How could we even distinguish this real God from those who have been popping up down the ages?

Also, I think that Karpal Tunnel made a good point below:

How does something which necessarily excludes unify?
What are the criteria by which someone is allowed to become an esoteric ecumenist and welcomed into that religious organization?
How do you recognize one another?

Regards to you too.

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An esoteric ecumenist is not someone who is allowed to be one. It is a position that a free thinking mind takes, so the criteria is ones own desire. If you think you must be allowed by someone, then you are not ready to be an esoteric ecumenist as you are not a free thinker and rely on another to tell you how to think.

We tend to recognize each other the same way atheists, agnostics and believers do. We note the shared thinking patterns and willingness to call evil evil and good good as compared to most in the God religions, Christians and Muslims, who call evil good.

Note that Christians see their genocidal son murdering God as good yet run away from trying to justify his evil action.

Regards
DL

Yes, this doesn’t answers the questions I asked, especially concerned how those two words work together, in your own words, given for example the definitions I posted. Perhaps you have different definitions. If you, please write them here. And I still cannot see how referring to the various churches like that could lead to unity of churches or leave many people in those churches open to considering your ideas. Perhaps at a later point could you make such comparisons, but does it really strike you as an good early step in unifying Christianity?

I apologise. I cannot do better than this professor in explaining esoteric ecumenist.

Perhaps if you tell me what part of his explanation you do not understand. I also put the Wiki definition

youtube.com/watch?v=vZJys45MLWI

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western_esotericism

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ecumenism

As you can see, the definitions tend to go in a number of directions and being French, I am likely not the best source for an English definition. That is also why I tend not to get too lost in semantics.

Think in terms of a secular law maker in any country. He would take the best law, regardless of it’s source, and implement it within his countries ideally. That is what Gnostic Christianity is all about and why we are perpetual seekers.

To be satisfied with any God or moral system, to us, is idol worship of that God or system. To idol worship means that the God or system will be prevented from evolving.

Regards
DL