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Is God competent or incompetent?

Postby Greatest I am » Wed Jan 17, 2018 8:52 pm

Is God competent or incompetent?

We are told in scriptures that evil begets evil and good begets good. God, as our creator, according to scriptures, creates us all as sinners, which many see as evil.

God can thus be seen and judged as being the original sinner since the fruits of his labor (us) went bad or are born bad. A tree is known by its fruits. What else could come from a sinner tree but sin?

I give God a fail on competence for the following reasons.
God created heaven that produced Satan. Fail.
God created Eden which produced Original Sin. Fail.
God had to reboot creation with Noah’s flood. Fail.
God sent his son to forgive mankind instead of stepping up himself. Fail, for moral reasons.
God also had to create hell for his rejects which scriptures say will be the vast majority of us. Fail.

Jesus said we would know his people by their works and deeds and if we believe that, then the Christian God would obviously be rejected by Jesus and agree with my fail judgement.

Do you agree?

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Re: Is God competent or incompetent?

Postby Carleas » Wed Jan 17, 2018 9:21 pm

Sounds a bit like condemning a cake for the broken eggs.

By which I mean, if those negatives are a necessary part of a perfect creation, it would be misleading to look only at them and not to the role they play in the larger whole.
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Re: Is God competent or incompetent?

Postby Greatest I am » Thu Jan 18, 2018 4:23 pm

Carleas wrote:Sounds a bit like condemning a cake for the broken eggs.

By which I mean, if those negatives are a necessary part of a perfect creation, it would be misleading to look only at them and not to the role they play in the larger whole.


If Satan and Original Sin etc. are necessary to perfect the whole, why does or did God react so negatively to them and condemn Satan and A & E to hell?

If they are necessary then God should embrace them as a part of the whole. No?

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Re: Is God competent or incompetent?

Postby WendyDarling » Thu Jan 18, 2018 4:36 pm

why does or did God react so negatively to them and condemn Satan and A & E to hell?

Hell? All were tossed out of Heaven, being tossed out of Heaven doesn't equate to being condemned to Hell. A & E were relegated to Earth and Satan made the Underworld for himself or am I mistaken?
I AM OFFICIALLY IN HELL!

I live my philosophy, it's personal to me and people who engage where I live establish an unspoken dynamic, a relationship of sorts, with me and my philosophy.

Cutting folks for sport is a reality for the poor in spirit. I myself only cut the poor in spirit on Tues., Thurs., and every other Sat.
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Re: Is God competent or incompetent?

Postby Greatest I am » Thu Jan 18, 2018 5:50 pm

WendyDarling wrote:
why does or did God react so negatively to them and condemn Satan and A & E to hell?

Hell? All were tossed out of Heaven, being tossed out of Heaven doesn't equate to being condemned to Hell. A & E were relegated to Earth and Satan made the Underworld for himself or am I mistaken?


That is herself if you look at Michelangelo's painting of the fall in the Vatican collection. Satan is clearly portrayed as female. You might wonder why. Hint. Misogyny.

Are you suggesting that Satan is a co-creator to God and able to create without his O K? Is Satan also a creator?

If being tossed from heaven to some place other than hell, where do you think Satan is supposed to ends up at the end of days?

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Re: Is God competent or incompetent?

Postby WendyDarling » Thu Jan 18, 2018 6:16 pm

If being tossed from heaven to some place other than hell, where do you think Satan is supposed to ends up at the end of days?

There are several dimensions or planes of mindful existence beyond the three mentioned (Heaven, Hell, Earth).

Are you suggesting that Satan is a co-creator to God and able to create without his O K? Is Satan also a creator?

Where does it say that Satan is not able to create?
I AM OFFICIALLY IN HELL!

I live my philosophy, it's personal to me and people who engage where I live establish an unspoken dynamic, a relationship of sorts, with me and my philosophy.

Cutting folks for sport is a reality for the poor in spirit. I myself only cut the poor in spirit on Tues., Thurs., and every other Sat.
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Re: Is God competent or incompetent?

Postby Greatest I am » Thu Jan 18, 2018 7:12 pm

WendyDarling wrote:
If being tossed from heaven to some place other than hell, where do you think Satan is supposed to ends up at the end of days?

There are several dimensions or planes of mindful existence beyond the three mentioned (Heaven, Hell, Earth).

Are you suggesting that Satan is a co-creator to God and able to create without his O K? Is Satan also a creator?


Where does it say that Satan is not able to create?


Where does it say that she can?

Dogma says there is only one initial creator.

You have made up your own ideology, which I do not recognize, so coherent communication will be hard to find here as you can invent as you go.

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Re: Is God competent or incompetent?

Postby WendyDarling » Thu Jan 18, 2018 7:26 pm

How many people have to attest to the existence of something for you to believe them even though you have to take their word for it since you have not physically experienced said place or things existence? Realize that you have not personally experienced most aspects of existence yet you still believe they exist.

Dogma says there is only one initial creator.

I don't dispute that, God was alone. Then he created Lucifer, his first "living" companion creation. The Bible doesn't say one way or the other whether Lucifer could create. Since we can create, I am willing to make the leap that Lucifer can create even more than we can since he has more abilities than we do and has existed millenia before human creation was even an urge.
I AM OFFICIALLY IN HELL!

I live my philosophy, it's personal to me and people who engage where I live establish an unspoken dynamic, a relationship of sorts, with me and my philosophy.

Cutting folks for sport is a reality for the poor in spirit. I myself only cut the poor in spirit on Tues., Thurs., and every other Sat.
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Re: Is God competent or incompetent?

Postby Greatest I am » Thu Jan 18, 2018 7:40 pm

WendyDarling wrote:How many people have to attest to the existence of something for you to believe them even though you have to take their word for it since you have not physically experienced said place or things existence? Realize that you have not personally experienced most aspects of existence yet you still believe they exist.

Dogma says there is only one initial creator.

I don't dispute that, God was alone. Then he created Lucifer, his first "living" companion creation. The Bible doesn't say one way or the other whether Lucifer could create. Since we can create, I am willing to make the leap that Lucifer can create even more than we can since he has more abilities than we do and has existed millenia before human creation was even an urge.


You have nothing to show the reality of what you are saying.

I do not know where you wish to go from here.

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Re: Is God competent or incompetent?

Postby Karpel Tunnel » Fri Jan 26, 2018 2:46 pm

Greatest I am wrote:
Carleas wrote:Sounds a bit like condemning a cake for the broken eggs.

By which I mean, if those negatives are a necessary part of a perfect creation, it would be misleading to look only at them and not to the role they play in the larger whole.


If Satan and Original Sin etc. are necessary to perfect the whole, why does or did God react so negatively to them and condemn Satan and A & E to hell?

If they are necessary then God should embrace them as a part of the whole. No?

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ONe coudl argue, speculate, that he sends them to hell because that is where they function best for the perfection of creation. And they are embraced in the sense that they exist, are included in the whole. You know there are experts in human disciplines who will do things that you would think are counterintuitive. Engineers, mathematicians, literarcy critics, whoever. People with fields of expertise you do not have any in. A little humility in relation to them would lead you to be cautious when you 'prove' that they are not building bridges, developing theorums, analyzing novels, fighting epidemics, whatever in the correct way. How much more so in the discussion of a deity. If presented as questions, potential faults, seeming contradictions, your posts could be useful. But when presented as I CAN PROVE THAT GOD IS IRRATIONAL or does not exist, it just comes off as hubris.
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Re: Is God competent or incompetent?

Postby Greatest I am » Fri Jan 26, 2018 3:38 pm

Karpel Tunnel wrote:
Greatest I am wrote:
Carleas wrote:Sounds a bit like condemning a cake for the broken eggs.

By which I mean, if those negatives are a necessary part of a perfect creation, it would be misleading to look only at them and not to the role they play in the larger whole.


If Satan and Original Sin etc. are necessary to perfect the whole, why does or did God react so negatively to them and condemn Satan and A & E to hell?

If they are necessary then God should embrace them as a part of the whole. No?

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ONe coudl argue, speculate, that he sends them to hell because that is where they function best for the perfection of creation. And they are embraced in the sense that they exist, are included in the whole. You know there are experts in human disciplines who will do things that you would think are counterintuitive. Engineers, mathematicians, literarcy critics, whoever. People with fields of expertise you do not have any in. A little humility in relation to them would lead you to be cautious when you 'prove' that they are not building bridges, developing theorums, analyzing novels, fighting epidemics, whatever in the correct way. How much more so in the discussion of a deity. If presented as questions, potential faults, seeming contradictions, your posts could be useful. But when presented as I CAN PROVE THAT GOD IS IRRATIONAL or does not exist, it just comes off as hubris.


How does God's purposeless torturing of souls in hell make those souls function at their best?

I do not think I ever said I can prove something about God. The one described as supernatural cannot have anything proven of him as he likely does not exist.

I like that you like analyzing what is written of God. You seem to think I made a definitive statements while I just asked a question.

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Re: Is God competent or incompetent?

Postby Karpel Tunnel » Fri Jan 26, 2018 7:25 pm

Greatest I am wrote:How does God's purposeless torturing of souls in hell make those souls function at their best?
Did you not understand my post? I thought I made it clear that answering such questions is problematic?

I do not think I ever said I can prove something about God.
You present arguments as if one can deduce conclusions. That it is logical to make the claims you make. You do not express uncertainty.

The one described as supernatural cannot have anything proven of him as he likely does not exist.
But this is what you do over and over. Present arguments as if you are demonstrating that if there was a God, he would be evil, imperfect, misguided, whatever the argument of the moment.

I like that you like analyzing what is written of God. You seem to think I made a definitive statements while I just asked a question.
How can I have a serious conversation with someone who does not even know what he or she is doing?
For example....
We are told in scriptures that evil begets evil and good begets good. God, as our creator, according to scriptures, creates us all as sinners, which many see as evil.

God can thus be seen and judged as being the original sinner since the fruits of his labor (us) went bad or are born bad. A tree is known by its fruits. What else could come from a sinner tree but sin?

I give God a fail on competence for the following reasons.
God created heaven that produced Satan. Fail.
God created Eden which produced Original Sin. Fail.
God had to reboot creation with Noah’s flood. Fail.
God sent his son to forgive mankind instead of stepping up himself. Fail, for moral reasons.
God also had to create hell for his rejects which scriptures say will be the vast majority of us. Fail.

Jesus said we would know his people by their works and deeds and if we believe that, then the Christian God would obviously be rejected by Jesus and agree with my fail judgement.


Seriously. Take some time to mull over how you do not know what you are doing. You present arguments as if you can logical conclude certain things. Deduction involved, generally, proofs.

And I notice you do not take up the issue of experts I raised.

I shant be reading your stuff anymore of youf since you FAIL to respond in an honorable, self-aware manner.
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Re: Is God competent or incompetent?

Postby Greatest I am » Fri Jan 26, 2018 10:07 pm

You seem to want to discuss style over what I put and refuse to clear up your own statements.

Pointless.

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Re: Is God competent or incompetent?

Postby Arcturus Descending » Sat May 26, 2018 4:43 pm

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God sent his son to forgive mankind instead of stepping up himself. Fail, for moral reasons.


According to scripture, the son IS part and parcel of the Father, commonly called The Trinity. So in a sense he did step up himself.
Perhaps one can look at it as giving a kidney to a loved one. Would the giver be to blame if things did not work out for the receiver?
Supposedly God gave his son - which is the greater gift - a son or a kidney?

If you were God, how would you have handled the situation? How would you handle the situation Now? Things have not changed much you know.
Can you name the *moral* reason which caused the so-called failure which you see?

Since you do see this as a failure, can you think of one aspect of God which might just come to mind - one thing which might appear to be actually *moral* in nature?
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And strength & breath:
And the want
Of thought is death;

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If I live,
Or if I die”
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Re: Is God competent or incompetent?

Postby Karpel Tunnel » Sun May 27, 2018 7:47 am

Greatest I am wrote:You seem to want to discuss style over what I put and refuse to clear up your own statements.

Pointless.

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Style? My criticism had nothing to do with style.
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Re: Is God competent or incompetent?

Postby Greatest I am » Mon May 28, 2018 7:40 pm

Arcturus Descending wrote:Greatest I Am

God sent his son to forgive mankind instead of stepping up himself. Fail, for moral reasons.


According to scripture, the son IS part and parcel of the Father, commonly called The Trinity. So in a sense he did step up himself.
Perhaps one can look at it as giving a kidney to a loved one. Would the giver be to blame if things did not work out for the receiver?
Supposedly God gave his son - which is the greater gift - a son or a kidney?

If you were God, how would you have handled the situation? How would you handle the situation Now? Things have not changed much you know.
Can you name the *moral* reason which caused the so-called failure which you see?

Since you do see this as a failure, can you think of one aspect of God which might just come to mind - one thing which might appear to be actually *moral* in nature?


Your kidney analogy is a good one except that you forget that God himself make the kidney fail in the first place.

Hiding behind the stupid Trinity concept is not intelligent. The Father still sent the son which is quite wrong and shows a cowardly Father.

"Can you name the *moral* reason which caused the so-called failure which you see?"

Yes, it is an insult to nature which seeks to have the older die out before the offspring.

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Re: Is God competent or incompetent?

Postby Arcturus Descending » Sat Jun 02, 2018 4:04 pm

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Your kidney analogy is a good one except that you forget that God himself make the kidney fail in the first place.


According to scripture, it was love for God's children which caused him to send His Son ~ another chance since the gates of the Garden of Eden having been closed because of Adam and Eve's disobedience.

How is it God's fault? Why do you look at it as the Father "making the the Son fail"?
Why would He send him in the first place? To tease his children? This is no different than how we like to blame others for our own faults of omission and our own lack of responsibility. God sent his son and many rejected him but many accepted and followed him. We cannot really look on a God as having failed. How long has Christianity flourished?


Hiding behind the stupid Trinity concept is not intelligent.


The Trinity is very difficult to understand. I used to like to think of it as One person with multiple or three personalities/characters. I would hardly call it stupid though it is so enigmatic. I think it is a human trait to call things which we do not understand as *stupid*. Some might call these things *mysteries*.
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These men—Basil, bishop of Caesarea, his brother Gregory, bishop of Nyssa, and Gregory of Nazianzus—were all “trained in Greek philosophy” (Armstrong, p. 113), which no doubt affected their outlook and beliefs (see “Greek Philosophy’s Influence on the Trinity Doctrine “).

In their view, as Karen Armstrong explains, “the Trinity only made sense as a mystical or spiritual experience . . . It was not a logical or intellectual formulation but an imaginative paradigm that confounded reason. Gregory of Nazianzus made this clear when he explained that contemplation of the Three in One induced a profound and overwhelming emotion that confounded thought and intellectual clarity.

“ ‘No sooner do I conceive of the One than I am illumined by the splendor of the Three; no sooner do I distinguish Three than I am carried back into the One. When I think of any of the Three, I think of him as the whole, and my eyes are filled, and the greater part of what I am thinking escapes me’ ” (p. 117). Little wonder that, as Armstrong concludes, “For many Western Christians . . . the Trinity is simply baffling” (ibid.).


https://www.ucg.org/bible-study-tools/b ... y-doctrine


The Father still sent the son which is quite wrong and shows a cowardly Father.


As a Mom, I can understand the emotional human side of what you are saying but I couldn't say that it was a cowardly act. People just look at it from a *human perspective* instead of a supernatural one. I could not begin to even imagine sending my son or daughter to take my place where they might be hurt or killed.
But we have to look at it from the ad continuum Story of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit (who was also sent to do the work of the other two (I think).

"Can you name the *moral* reason which caused the so-called failure which you see?"

Yes, it is an insult to nature which seeks to have the older die out before the offspring.


I think that you meant to say to have the *offspring die out before the older. Yes?
Anyway, this is all myth to me now. There was a time when I believed all of this but I can still talk about it. The way I look at it though, Christ was not sacrificed without his own personal okay in the matter. lol His will was not taken away since his will was actually one with the father's. Being equals as part of the Trinity, he could not have been coerced or lied to.

What I was trying to get at was the idea of free will. Evidently, there were some who accepted Christ and some who did not.
My thinking may be wrong here but if all had accepted Christ then that might prove the lack of free will.
What could God have done? Created us all as puppets with one mind as with the Borg after the Fall?
Did God make a mistake, considering what happened in the Garden, in allowing humans to retain their free will?
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My thoughtless hand
Has brush'd away.

Am not I
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Or art not thou
A man like me?

For I dance
And drink & sing:
Till some blind hand
Shall brush my wing.

If thought is life
And strength & breath:
And the want
Of thought is death;

Then am I
A happy fly,
If I live,
Or if I die”
― William Blake, Songs of Innocence and of Experience


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Re: Is God competent or incompetent?

Postby Fixed Cross » Sat Jun 02, 2018 5:42 pm

I'd say God's logic goes: hell exists for people that deserve it.
It would be imperfect to not be able to discipline sinners.
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Re: Is God competent or incompetent?

Postby Fixed Cross » Sat Jun 02, 2018 5:46 pm

Apparently sin is part of perfection.
Perhaps because perfection is not found in meekness and obedience but in making things right.

You need things to be wrong for that.
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Re: Is God competent or incompetent?

Postby newegg » Mon Jun 04, 2018 7:51 pm

Greatest I am wrote:
WendyDarling wrote:
why does or did God react so negatively to them and condemn Satan and A & E to hell?

Hell? All were tossed out of Heaven, being tossed out of Heaven doesn't equate to being condemned to Hell. A & E were relegated to Earth and Satan made the Underworld for himself or am I mistaken?


That is herself if you look at Michelangelo's painting of the fall in the Vatican collection. Satan is clearly portrayed as female. You might wonder why. Hint. Misogyny.

Are you suggesting that Satan is a co-creator to God and able to create without his O K? Is Satan also a creator?

If being tossed from heaven to some place other than hell, where do you think Satan is supposed to ends up at the end of days?

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Re: Is God competent or incompetent?

Postby newegg » Mon Jun 04, 2018 8:02 pm

Fixed Cross wrote:Apparently sin is part of perfection.
Perhaps because perfection is not found in meekness and obedience but in making things right.

You need things to be wrong for that.


human beings dont jack off to gay porn first. they jack off to lesbian porn first, and slowly as they lose faith in the female purity they migrate to gay porn.

Telling people that they need to jack off to gay porn first, in order to be "saved" by the lesbian porn later, is fucked up.

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Re: Is God competent or incompetent?

Postby Greatest I am » Wed Jun 06, 2018 9:17 pm

Arcturus Descending wrote:Greatest I Am


Your kidney analogy is a good one except that you forget that God himself make the kidney fail in the first place.


According to scripture, it was love for God's children which caused him to send His Son ~ another chance since the gates of the Garden of Eden having been closed because of Adam and Eve's disobedience.

How is it God's fault? Why do you look at it as the Father "making the the Son fail"?
Why would He send him in the first place? To tease his children? This is no different than how we like to blame others for our own faults of omission and our own lack of responsibility. God sent his son and many rejected him but many accepted and followed him. We cannot really look on a God as having failed. How long has Christianity flourished?


Hiding behind the stupid Trinity concept is not intelligent.


The Trinity is very difficult to understand. I used to like to think of it as One person with multiple or three personalities/characters. I would hardly call it stupid though it is so enigmatic. I think it is a human trait to call things which we do not understand as *stupid*. Some might call these things *mysteries*.
...

These men—Basil, bishop of Caesarea, his brother Gregory, bishop of Nyssa, and Gregory of Nazianzus—were all “trained in Greek philosophy” (Armstrong, p. 113), which no doubt affected their outlook and beliefs (see “Greek Philosophy’s Influence on the Trinity Doctrine “).

In their view, as Karen Armstrong explains, “the Trinity only made sense as a mystical or spiritual experience . . . It was not a logical or intellectual formulation but an imaginative paradigm that confounded reason. Gregory of Nazianzus made this clear when he explained that contemplation of the Three in One induced a profound and overwhelming emotion that confounded thought and intellectual clarity.

“ ‘No sooner do I conceive of the One than I am illumined by the splendor of the Three; no sooner do I distinguish Three than I am carried back into the One. When I think of any of the Three, I think of him as the whole, and my eyes are filled, and the greater part of what I am thinking escapes me’ ” (p. 117). Little wonder that, as Armstrong concludes, “For many Western Christians . . . the Trinity is simply baffling” (ibid.).


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The Father still sent the son which is quite wrong and shows a cowardly Father.


As a Mom, I can understand the emotional human side of what you are saying but I couldn't say that it was a cowardly act. People just look at it from a *human perspective* instead of a supernatural one. I could not begin to even imagine sending my son or daughter to take my place where they might be hurt or killed.
But we have to look at it from the ad continuum Story of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit (who was also sent to do the work of the other two (I think).

"Can you name the *moral* reason which caused the so-called failure which you see?"

Yes, it is an insult to nature which seeks to have the older die out before the offspring.


I think that you meant to say to have the *offspring die out before the older. Yes?
Anyway, this is all myth to me now. There was a time when I believed all of this but I can still talk about it. The way I look at it though, Christ was not sacrificed without his own personal okay in the matter. lol His will was not taken away since his will was actually one with the father's. Being equals as part of the Trinity, he could not have been coerced or lied to.

What I was trying to get at was the idea of free will. Evidently, there were some who accepted Christ and some who did not.
My thinking may be wrong here but if all had accepted Christ then that might prove the lack of free will.
What could God have done? Created us all as puppets with one mind as with the Borg after the Fall?
Did God make a mistake, considering what happened in the Garden, in allowing humans to retain their free will?


You asked "How long has Christianity flourished?"

From the day they used Inquisitions and murder to put their religion at the top of the garbage heap.

You seem to think Christianity should be praised for murder.

I will let you go ahead with that.

As to God having to base Christianity on barbaric human sacrifice, like he had no moral ways to do it.

Only the foolish will think they can speak for the thinking in the supernatural world.

I will let you do so. Do not expect respect for that though.

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Re: Is God competent or incompetent?

Postby Greatest I am » Wed Jun 06, 2018 9:19 pm

Fixed Cross wrote:I'd say God's logic goes: hell exists for people that deserve it.
It would be imperfect to not be able to discipline sinners.


Yet it is the same discipline for all offences, be they small or large.

Only those who do not care about injustice or their corrupted morals will praise God for him immorality.

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Re: Is God competent or incompetent?

Postby Greatest I am » Wed Jun 06, 2018 9:21 pm

Fixed Cross wrote:Apparently sin is part of perfection.
Perhaps because perfection is not found in meekness and obedience but in making things right.


Yet Christianity demand obedience and Islam demands submission.

It seems that they do not agree with you.

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Re: Is God competent or incompetent?

Postby Arcturus Descending » Thu Jun 07, 2018 2:44 pm

Greatest I Am,

You asked "How long has Christianity flourished?"

From the day they used Inquisitions and murder to put their religion at the top of the garbage heap.

You seem to think Christianity should be praised for murder.


What is it that you believe in? What religion, what organization? Are there any terrible abuses which have been committed by people seeking terrible power and control there, people wanting to do things their own way, according to their own belief systems?

What you described is not the Christianity which Christ supposedly founded. There are good and evil people everywhere.
There is good within Christianity and then again there are those rotten apples.
Even good thing can become corrupted.


As to God having to base Christianity on barbaric human sacrifice, like he had no moral ways to do it.


This was not God. Again, it was the people according to their culture and their beliefs. These things happened long before Christianity came into existence. See, this the problem with religion and belief systems. We tend to create a God into our own image and likeness. Aside from that, perhaps we are just too fearful to recognize what we human beings are capable of doing to one another and so we blame God instead of blaming a warped psyche like those who are sadistic and enjoy inflicting hurt and blame on others because we cannot understand.

Only the foolish will think they can speak for the thinking in the supernatural world.


Personally, I am agnostic and I do not see things the way in which you or others see them.
How much real thinking actually goes on in the supernatural world, I wonder.

I will let you do so. Do not expect respect for that though.


The word respect means to *go back and take another look*. We all need to do this often especially when our thinking does not meet up with our feelings and what we seem to see.
“How can a bird that is born for joy
Sit in a cage and sing?”
― William Blake


“Little Fly
Thy summers play,
My thoughtless hand
Has brush'd away.

Am not I
A fly like thee?
Or art not thou
A man like me?

For I dance
And drink & sing:
Till some blind hand
Shall brush my wing.

If thought is life
And strength & breath:
And the want
Of thought is death;

Then am I
A happy fly,
If I live,
Or if I die”
― William Blake, Songs of Innocence and of Experience


“No bird soars too high if he soars with his own wings.”
― William Blake
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